Zerokohai wrote:

I figured almost anything dubbed - at any time, ever - should be disintegrated by supernova explosion and the resulting matter/energy fall into the subsequently forming black hole, never to be seen or known by the outside universe ever again.

I've taken the liberty of correcting your statement. You're welcome.

And I've never understood subjecting oneself to an objectively worse and secondhand version. You can say whatever you want about personal preference, but Japanese voicework, which in that country is a serious and highly competitive profession, is superior both due to the extensive training that actors receive and their recording methods; Japanese actors perform together, listening and responding to each other in real time, and have the freedom to ad-lib and tailor their delivery in concert with the animators, whereas with dubs the actors record alone, out of context with other speakers, and with strict limits on the timing and content of their delivery. The results are obvious and to be expected.

Watch enough anime and you will learn conversational Japanese such that the subs are only an occasional guide - and one in which I routinely note the omissions, imperfections and contradictions. I have done translation work on yuri manga and have strong views on the nature of "localization", believe me.

Howeer I will admit that with Utena, my stance is particularly extreme, because in fact it was watching Utena that fully and irrevocably converted me to Japanese audio. Prior to Utena, very early in my anime-watching career, I would always watch the dub first, intending to watch the subbed version later but rarely doing so. The dubs were a crutch, a training wheel. However, when I bought Utena, I was aware that it was "serious, important anime" and I resolved to watch it properly, the way it was intended to be seen. So I did, and the skill and emotive power of the Japanese actors made that very much a defining experience for me. I have never gone back since then - except occasionally to listen a few seconds at how much worse, more wooden and insincere a dub track inevitably is.

Last edited by Aelanie (03-06-2017 11:12:31 PM)

There is nothing arrogant or demeaning about that statement, which is a factual representation of my strongly held views on the subject. If you took offense to it that is your issue - motivated primarily I suspect by my castigation of your pet character Ruka in another thread.

DD knows me well enough, I hope, to know that my opinions are passionate but that no personal slight or attack on her was meant. We have a long history of mutually respectful disagreement.

Last edited by Aelanie (03-07-2017 06:23:35 AM)

Kids, if you don't shut up, I swear I will turn this car around!

In all seriousness, let's draw the line here, please. I'm not getting involved. Take your off-topic argument elsewhere.

Last edited by Zerokohai (03-07-2017 11:16:13 AM)

And now we return to your regularly scheduled shitposting.

Wakaba's Flourishing

Buying pictures of someone? Is that a thing? I can't believe Saionji has fans even within the Utena universe. Man, that teal jacket does not work with his swamp green hair. I love those sheep mugs! Saionji has feelings for Wakaba? There's a pairing I didn't see coming. Get out, background character! Someone find the song that plays during this scene! I want to see 'SKU but every time Utena scores in basketball the characters speak only in NBA Jam quotes'. Who are those interchangeable nerds? I can't get enough of this show's evening colour scheme! Wow, Wakaba gets up to a lot! Pick up that slack, Utena! Only when I see Utena stretch do I realise how obscenely long her legs are. Ok, Utena, you can get out of that crab walk position. Get over yourself, Touga. Oh, yeah, Anthy's a character in this show, isn't she? Look at that, another untranslated locker sign! Utena, git your sword! Kick her ass! There it is, that song again. Someone please find it.

Look at that, the next episode is about Nanami and her lackeys, and it's called Troublesome Insects. Well played.

If the song you're asking about is the one that plays in the Counseling Elevator of Doom and Dead Children, I have a version of it called Mitsu no Naifu, which when not horribly not-translated probably means "Poison Knife" or "Knife of Poison".

GUESS WHAT MY PHONE JUST RESET ITSELF AND MY ENTIRE POST WAS GONE WHAT'S UP DUDES TIME TO SUMMARISE

Troublesome Insects

I don't see what those girls see in Nanami at all. I also don't see how Touga's appearance is such a big deal. It feels like Utena and Anthy have been written out altogether. Akio seems really nice. Just batter Touga with the umbrella while he's off guard! Man, Nanami, just fuck off. Yuko and Aiko are awful as well. Keiko's battle uniform is really nice! Why's Anthy holding an umbrella? I agree with Keiko about Nanami. And there goes another tertiary character. Who's next? It's soul crushing to see Keiko revert back to Nanami's idiot sidekick, visibly incapable of free thought or individuality. Oh, she's a pathological liar, or so says Anthy.

Next time: plot advancement? Maybe!

ahahaha I'm bad at this aren't I

Nemuro Memorial Hall

Well...that was a lot of information to be forcefed in one episode. I think Souji went from least interesting to most interesting character in the show in the span of an episode, but something tells me it'll not last. I am, however, interested to know exactly what was gained from the Ohtori barbecue at the end of the flashback. That blinking hand icon pointing at things was frustrating, but perhaps I'm missing the point. I think a while ago, I mocked the Black Rose arc for having episodes with primary characters being completely absent, but in this episode, I don't mind so much. That said, I do wonder if an extended flashback like this could be viewed as cheap exposition rather than quality world building. Perhaps least surprising, the more I see of Akio, the more handsome I find him.

The next episode is my least favorite in the show sadly. It has some funny moments here and there, but it's a pretty dry clip episode (with some extra bits). If you feel like dying in the middle you can skip it with no consequences as it just recaps all the Nanami episodes up until that point.

The ending to this season is definitely strange, it does make sense but for reasons I can't speak on. The best is yet to come, the third season is definitely the best one IMO.

I consider episode 24 to be pretty much the worst in the entire series.

I've grown to appreciate the Nanami filler over the years, as I think they actually add extra depth to the characters. (Cowbell of Happiness, for example, adds extra layers to Anthy's character that we might not have otherwise, and Namami's Egg is a funny, surreal and poignant episode in its own right) But that's one that I feel doesn't really add much of anything, plus it's a clip episode and not a very good one.

And yeah, the last arc is amazing. You shouldn't be disappointed. However, I still love the Student Council and Black Rose arcs myself. Especially the Black Rose arc, pure psychological horror.

anthy_himemiya wrote:

Nanami filler

I'm still unconvinced those are "filler" episodes. They're incredibly thematically relevant, at the least, but they tend, also, to highlight some of the broader fantasy elements and the naivety of the cast, which we otherwise are often encouraged to ignore/just go with.

GUESS WHO FINALLY FINISHED THE SHOW

YES, IT'S ME, HELLO