This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#51 | Back to Top04-10-2007 01:30:02 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

Giovanna wrote:

YamPuff wrote:

rhyaniwyn wrote:

I like Touga's speech, but I can't ever take it seriously when his shirt springs open.  I just shake my head in dismay.

I mean, why??

I knoww, it's so corny. T_T

I think the problem with it is that it holds still on that shot before the car comes. They shoulda stopped while it was still the grinning arms spreading thing. emot-frown It gets silly when he's standing there, especially since he's not being drawn especially well. emot-mad

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#52 | Back to Top04-10-2007 01:49:41 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

The random shirt blowing open scene didn't strike me as unusual, but it struck me as fan-service, which bothers me even more. It's like, "Hay, let's make their shirts blow open and have them strike sexy poses, teeheeheehee..."

RainbowRoseQueen wrote:

ooooooh what about this.....http://www.ohtori.nu/gallery/moviedvd/Cap256.jpg This one is wtf because for one thing akios ass is hanging on the balcony and the sheets are real puffy like a bunch of fat people are underneith....his drunkness led to his death......

Is it bad that that scene makes me laugh every time?

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#53 | Back to Top04-10-2007 02:20:59 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

Razara wrote:

The random shirt blowing open scene didn't strike me as unusual, but it struck me as fan-service, which bothers me even more. It's like, "Hay, let's make their shirts blow open and have them strike sexy poses, teeheeheehee..."

RainbowRoseQueen wrote:

ooooooh what about this.....http://www.ohtori.nu/gallery/moviedvd/Cap256.jpg This one is wtf because for one thing akios ass is hanging on the balcony and the sheets are real puffy like a bunch of fat people are underneith....his drunkness led to his death......

Is it bad that that scene makes me laugh every time?

No...cause I do too....even my mom did.....

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#54 | Back to Top04-10-2007 03:04:54 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

Iris wrote:

Giovanna wrote:

You know, honestly, it was the car jump.

Mostly because I immediately imagined the production meeting that must have taken place where someone went HAVE HIM JUMP OVER THE WINDSHIELD! and someone else went HEY GREAT IDEA :drops more acid:

People actually do this, and let the car go until it either runs out of gas or crashes.  I like to think Akio is smoother, and somehow jumps back in.

He better jump back in that damn car emot-mad he's too hot to die....thats why I don't appreciate that part in the damn movie! HOW DARE HE DIE...although is funny as hell watching his drunken actions.....I mean WHAT THE HELL HAVING HIM DIE LIKE THAT emot-mad

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#55 | Back to Top04-10-2007 03:43:35 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

Yeah, I was expecting something bigger than just him falling off. Like maybe Anthy ACTUALLY killing him, brutally, maybe even eating him alive. It's what all witches in the fairytales are known to do. They eat people school-chefschool-chefschool-chef
After all, she WAS the culprit responsible for his secret burial, the movie!Anthy creeps me out SO much more

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#56 | Back to Top04-10-2007 04:13:33 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

*laughs* Just to go back to the whole 'shirt flinging open after Touga's speech' thing, I wondered if perhaps they threw in the 'whoosh! *shirt OPEN!*' thing just for laughs. It made me snigger everytime I saw it.

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#57 | Back to Top04-10-2007 06:47:15 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

The whole shirt-flying open thing exasperates the heck out of me. Whenever it happens I just can't keep a straight face. Don't any of the guys know how to button their shirts properly?

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#58 | Back to Top04-10-2007 06:53:24 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

The worst part about the shirt blowing open is the fact that it blows open indoors, where there is no wind to blow it.Wow, I used the word blow three times in that sentence, and I'm not even if IFD.


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#59 | Back to Top04-11-2007 04:32:36 AM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

I think it might have to be those lil moments in the Nanami's egg episode when she has all the ideas about people's reactions to her egg that end with her being locked in a cell...or when in the same episode she convinces Touga she's a lesbian.

And, this one's more of a cool moment than a WTF moment...When Ruka tries to force himself on Juri, and she smacks him and pushes him away...he just turns real slow, looks at her all cold-like, and the locket drops from his hand. She goes all "WTF HOWD YOU GET THAT HOSHT", he just drops it threatening to step on it, looking all awesome and cold.

Ruka, you fucking rawk :3

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#60 | Back to Top04-11-2007 06:46:09 AM

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Oh man, you're right. That bit was friggin' awesome. Ruka is so cool.

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#61 | Back to Top04-11-2007 07:16:43 AM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

Nanami's egg is hands-down my favorite Nanami episode.  Even my friend, who I was forcing to watch it (and who I don't think had much interest or appreciation), laughed at that episode.

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#62 | Back to Top04-13-2007 09:45:29 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

The shirts blowing open, the car, the heedless leap over the car, the jazz music etc, etc, is all a reference to all the images in ads and movies and every other pop image of what the adult world is in the fantasy world of adolescents. They are all images of the pleasures of the world and of adult power. If you are cool enough neither the laws of society or of physics constrain you.

A couple months ago on PBS I saw a documentary about one of the boys in Boston who had been molested by a priest back in the 1960s. The victim spoke of, and apparently remembered vividly, the big glamorous car with red upholstery that his molester drove. It was no small part of the awe he felt, before discovering what sort of person was at the wheel. The priest evidently thought that because he was a priest ordinary morality did not apply to him.

Don't forget that Akio is supposedly an educator, which is a highly esteemed role in Asia.

I saw a poster on a NYC subway showing a mostly naked woman straddling a wild tiger and with the caption, "It's the Power!" I do not remember what it was selling. It certainly wasn't selling common sense.

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#63 | Back to Top04-13-2007 09:54:49 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

It's frightening that you brought up how the adult world shares so much commonality with the twisted perverted mind that is Akio emot-gonk
It's a reason why sometimes I'm hesitant of growing up because it would seem that grown-ups don't dream the way we do. They don't see the castle in the sky, maybe they don't want to.
My WTF moment is still the part where Akio tells the duelists, "Let me show you the End of the World". Is each of them seeing something different or are they all being shown the same thing that Utena saw (the ceiling of the chairman's office as opposed to the Eternal Castle)

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#64 | Back to Top04-14-2007 10:04:32 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

I don't know. Satan showed the kingdoms of the world to Christ and Arjuna saw the horror and glory of the universe, but were they really shown everything? Proabably not. Satan wanted to distract Christ and Krishna was maneouvering Arjuna to fight a battle. And being shown the World may not be the same thing as a vision of the world beyond, such as Utena may have had. Much of the time when someone purports to show or describe the way the world really is, they often have an ulterior motive and they are really just showing something that is just as artificial as anything devised in Akio's planetarium. What makes it really insidious is that people like Akio, like most con artists, have partly conned themselves.

To be able to deal with the world as it is without being corrupted or deceived or destroyed by it is the work of a lifetime. But I also read a comment, (from CS Lewis perhaps?) that youth is inherently closer to God. It seems like Ikuhara would agree with that.

When Saionji and the others saw THE WORLD I doubt that their visions included Anthy being skewered.

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#65 | Back to Top04-16-2007 07:02:14 AM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

I always wondered what they saw, too...  I made the irreverent comment that perhaps all they can see is Akio's ass plastered against the windshield.  "Ends" of the world indeed.

Ha, brian!  I always get so ... bleh ... at those scenes that the connection to advertising never occurred to me.

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#66 | Back to Top04-16-2007 09:27:22 AM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

rhyaniwyn wrote:

I always wondered what they saw, too...  I made the irreverent comment that perhaps all they can see is Akio's ass plastered against the windshield.  "Ends" of the world indeed.

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#67 | Back to Top04-16-2007 09:39:03 AM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

brian wrote:

I don't know. Satan showed the kingdoms of the world to Christ and Arjuna saw the horror and glory of the universe, but were they really shown everything? Proabably not. Satan wanted to distract Christ and Krishna was maneouvering Arjuna to fight a battle. And being shown the World may not be the same thing as a vision of the world beyond, such as Utena may have had. Much of the time when someone purports to show or describe the way the world really is, they often have an ulterior motive and they are really just showing something that is just as artificial as anything devised in Akio's planetarium. What makes it really insidious is that people like Akio, like most con artists, have partly conned themselves.

To be able to deal with the world as it is without being corrupted or deceived or destroyed by it is the work of a lifetime. But I also read a comment, (from CS Lewis perhaps?) that youth is inherently closer to God. It seems like Ikuhara would agree with that.

When Saionji and the others saw THE WORLD I doubt that their visions included Anthy being skewered.

Oh my! There're so many parallels with what you said. Krishna and Dios showed Utena and Arjuna respectively what they're supposed to see to be given the courage to fight, while Akio and Satan did the same thing to make Utena and Christ forfeit their fights.
Maybe the reason why Utena sees the prince is because she was a child. Nemuro sees Akio since he's already "grown up" and technically, lost his innocence.
The ability to deal with the world without being corrupted or deceived or destroyed... I wonder if I've already lost that battle... I mean, I DID cheat and lie and stuff, not to mention porns :p
With regard to what Saionji saw... whatever it is, it made him smile, in a crazy and disturbing way... I DO think he saw something ABOUT Anthy because duringt he duel, he said he realized that the Rose Bride has no feelings of her own. (Which we all know is a big lie if that's what Akio showed him)

I just found out another WTF moment... Utena usually refers to people as "kimi", right? On Episode 38, she referred to Akio as "anata" (If I'm not mistaken, she usually calls Akio by "Akio-san".

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#68 | Back to Top04-16-2007 01:30:48 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

If AoU counts, I'd have to go with the burning postage stamps in the opening sequence. The rest I sort of figured out, but that part still has me scratching my head.

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#69 | Back to Top04-16-2007 04:21:47 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

SwordKing wrote:

If AoU counts, I'd have to go with the burning postage stamps in the opening sequence. The rest I sort of figured out, but that part still has me scratching my head.

Of course it counts! Actually, I think my biggest wtf moment in SKU movie is the shoes. I mean yes, I understand why they're there, but... SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOE. Why a shoe? Why not an abstracted pattern suggesting hair? Why not an image of the parasol floating on the water?

But no.

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#70 | Back to Top04-18-2007 05:24:54 AM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

Shoes? When was this? I saw the movie last night and I don't recall that bit.

Actually, a good deal of the movie was a wtf? moment. I mean, it was good and all, but it was very weird.

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#71 | Back to Top04-18-2007 06:14:13 AM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

Red shoe floating through water overlays Utena's dorm building, accompanied by a watery noise during a scene transition.  If I'm not mistaken it's when she's following Anthy to the garden.


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#72 | Back to Top04-18-2007 01:09:26 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

As long as I'm here...when were the burning postage stamps? I don't remember that, but then again, my memory can be rather shoddy at times.


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#73 | Back to Top04-18-2007 01:25:01 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

It took me a minute to figure out what that meant, too.  I never thought of them as postage stamps.  During the opening credits, the paintings we see throughout the movie are shown on the screen one by one, they appear, then burst into flame and disappear.  They're very small in the opening credits: postage-stamp-sized!


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#74 | Back to Top04-18-2007 02:27:19 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

rhyaniwyn wrote:

It took me a minute to figure out what that meant, too.  I never thought of them as postage stamps.  During the opening credits, the paintings we see throughout the movie are shown on the screen one by one, they appear, then burst into flame and disappear.  They're very small in the opening credits: postage-stamp-sized!

Those!! emot-aaa I can NEVER see clearly of what the paintings are because they're so small and the resolution sucks when I zoom in

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#75 | Back to Top04-18-2007 02:31:56 PM

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Re: WTF moments in Utena...

rhyaniwyn wrote:

Red shoe floating through water overlays Utena's dorm building, accompanied by a watery noise during a scene transition.  If I'm not mistaken it's when she's following Anthy to the garden.

There are two of them. I don't remember when the second one is, but they are both in the scene transitions, both of them accompanied by that water noise.


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