This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#251 | Back to Top04-18-2015 01:30:23 PM

DorianGray345
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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

1) Not long enough.
2) Ikuhara never utilized the armor we saw in the opening. I really want to see a jousting tournament at Ohtori!
3) Touga doesn't have much of a backstory, unlike the other Duelists.
4) The English dub.
5) Series-Utena is not as cool and realistic as LN-Utena.
6) We never see Utena and Anthy reunite in most continuities.
7) The anime should have incorporated the game's story, even if D-ko is a non-sequitur; it would provide foreshadowing for the Utena-Akio relationship and the Black Rose Arc.
8) Nanami murdering that kitten. I will never forgive her.


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#252 | Back to Top04-18-2015 01:39:43 PM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

Snow wrote:

Karuka wrote:

only think that bugs me is any translation that makes "Utenasama" into "lady Utena" arrrrggggg
(a reason why I avoid anything translated)

I watched the English dub first and they translated it as 'Miss Utena'. It sounded ok as a translation (if my understanding of the honorific -sama is to go by), if I bit awkward, but one could argue that's the point anyway. But 'Lady Utena' is a lot more awkward, I agree. Perhaps it's a good thing SKU is not dubbed in my language, since then it would be 'Gospođica Utena', which in frequent repetition (read:more than once) would make me want to smash my screen.

miss utena is still not an accepted thing for me
since all honorifics, except maybe "dono", are gender neutral, I prefer them to no be translated
the lady utena thing I saw it in the manga, and I dropped the translated version as it was and picked up the japanese instead.


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#253 | Back to Top04-18-2015 02:02:47 PM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

DorianGray345 wrote:

4) The English dub.

THIS.

My more specific complaint about this, is casting Rachael Lillis as Utena. I quite like her as a character actor or voicing adults, but as a teen character she just rings false. Compare her work as two characters in the same show: in Pokemon, she's terrific as Jesse but I never liked her as Misty. Is this just me? I don't think this is just me.

They also cast Lisa Ortiz as Shiori, which is great for Shiori, but she shows up in what, three episodes? That's poor utilization of resources.

Yes, I know Lisa Ortiz is older than Rachel Lillis. It's only by a few years, and I think Ortiz is just a better actor.


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#254 | Back to Top04-18-2015 04:18:44 PM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

cypsiman2 wrote:

Second, the show tries to paint him in a tragic light at the very end, the Shadow-Girls talking up how sad it was that he was sick and dying and how he just wanted to bring Juri a miracle isn't that just soo romantic?  Gag me.  The show makes no bones about the other douchebags being douchebags, but this guy gets to be lionized after freaking assaulting Juri?  No, not acceptable, not at all.

Well, for all we know it's possible he could have actually beaten whatever illness it was that afflicted him if he'd just stayed in bed. We just kind of assume his "knowing how sick he was" means he was going to die soon no matter what, but is that really the case? What if there was actually a chance he could have actually recovered in due time, and he threw it away for Juri's sake?


Call me crazy, but I think a plotbunny just spawned in my head. A narrative worthy of a drabble, at least...


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#255 | Back to Top04-18-2015 05:04:09 PM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

DorianGray345 wrote:

2) Ikuhara never utilized the armor we saw in the opening. I really want to see a jousting tournament at Ohtori!

yaaaaaaaaaaaas

I was really looking forward to seeing Anthy on a horse in that armor! I thought maybe it'd be a final episode thing, but it never happened... what a tease.

4) The English dub.

When rewatching the series, I accidentally clicked on the dub of "The Sunlit Garden (Prelude)" instead of Nozomient's subbed one. I watched it out of curiosity. All it took was two lines for me to click back and try to scrub those voices from my memory. Why does Miki sound like a bored college freshman after a night of binge drinking? "I got to protect Himemiya's music. Or not. I don't really care; I'm in this strictly for the money."

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#256 | Back to Top04-18-2015 06:27:09 PM

DorianGray345
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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

staplerman wrote:

DorianGray345 wrote:

2) Ikuhara never utilized the armor we saw in the opening. I really want to see a jousting tournament at Ohtori!

yaaaaaaaaaaaas

I was really looking forward to seeing Anthy on a horse in that armor! I thought maybe it'd be a final episode thing, but it never happened... what a tease.

4) The English dub.

When rewatching the series, I accidentally clicked on the dub of "The Sunlit Garden (Prelude)" instead of Nozomient's subbed one. I watched it out of curiosity. All it took was two lines for me to click back and try to scrub those voices from my memory. Why does Miki sound like a bored college freshman after a night of binge drinking? "I got to protect Himemiya's music. Or not. I don't really care; I'm in this strictly for the money."

I was ignorant of the superior Japanese track, and spent $50 on Amazon in order to buy the dub-only Instant Videos. Such is life.

AU Ohtori - The Duelists joust for Anthy, with the whole school watching for the lolz.


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#257 | Back to Top04-18-2015 08:18:45 PM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

Chrome Homura wrote:

Well, for all we know it's possible he could have actually beaten whatever illness it was that afflicted him if he'd just stayed in bed. We just kind of assume his "knowing how sick he was" means he was going to die soon no matter what, but is that really the case? What if there was actually a chance he could have actually recovered in due time, and he threw it away for Juri's sake?

That is actually my headcanon on Ruka.

Call me crazy, but I think a plotbunny just spawned in my head. A narrative worthy of a drabble, at least...

Ooh, me wanna see emot-dance


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#258 | Back to Top04-18-2015 09:08:42 PM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

gorgeousshutin wrote:

Chrome Homura wrote:

Well, for all we know it's possible he could have actually beaten whatever illness it was that afflicted him if he'd just stayed in bed. We just kind of assume his "knowing how sick he was" means he was going to die soon no matter what, but is that really the case? What if there was actually a chance he could have actually recovered in due time, and he threw it away for Juri's sake?

That is actually my headcanon on Ruka.

Wouldn't that make him a complete idiot, though? Maybe I'm too selfish to see the wonders of such selfless sacrifice but if it was a condition that could be cured then I can't see why he did not wait until it was so and then help Juri in whatever way he saw fit. Not to mention that if he did so he could have helped her out in the long run instead of the hit-and-run approach.

As far as I see it the Shadow Girls more than implied that Ruka's condition was indeed fatal and that he acted as he did precisely because he was running out of time. It's the only way of making any sense of his actions.

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#259 | Back to Top04-18-2015 09:21:34 PM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

Nocturnalux wrote:

gorgeousshutin wrote:

Chrome Homura wrote:

Well, for all we know it's possible he could have actually beaten whatever illness it was that afflicted him if he'd just stayed in bed. We just kind of assume his "knowing how sick he was" means he was going to die soon no matter what, but is that really the case? What if there was actually a chance he could have actually recovered in due time, and he threw it away for Juri's sake?

That is actually my headcanon on Ruka.

Wouldn't that make him a complete idiot, though? Maybe I'm too selfish to see the wonders of such selfless sacrifice but if it was a condition that could be cured then I can't see why he did not wait until it was so and then help Juri in whatever way he saw fit. Not to mention that if he did so he could have helped her out in the long run instead of the hit-and-run approach.

As far as I see it the Shadow Girls more than implied that Ruka's condition was indeed fatal and that he acted as he did precisely because he was running out of time. It's the only way of making any sense of his actions.

Or, it could've been a case where the hospital's treatments could've prolonged Ruka's life, but not the quality of it (think late stage cancer patient undergoing chemo).  Maybe it's a case where neither he nor the doctors could say for certain if he could recover completely, but that the longer he stay with the life-prolonging treatment - one with perhaps debilitating side effects  - the less of a chance his body would be able to handle Duels at Ohtori.  So, instead of living on bedridden hoping for a miracle, Ruka decides to cease treatment and get back to Ohtori to help Juri -knowing this will shorten his life - while he still can.  That's still a sacrifice scenario, and one that doesn't contradict the Shadow Girl Play.


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#260 | Back to Top04-18-2015 09:49:29 PM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

That would make sense, yes, I'd count such a scenario as 'fatal disease'.

And I'm sure it's been mentioned before but those yaoi hands really freak me out on occasion.

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#261 | Back to Top04-18-2015 10:02:48 PM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

Nocturnalux wrote:

That would make sense, yes, I'd count such a scenario as 'fatal disease'.

And I'm sure it's been mentioned before but those yaoi hands really freak me out on occasion.

So much of Utena is about borderline situations (Utena and the Kaorus being borderline children, Akio and Kanae being bordline adults, etc), thus why I got this "bad-but-might-live-longer-with-treatment" scenario as my Ruka health headcanon.

P.S. "Yaoi hands?"


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#262 | Back to Top04-22-2015 11:56:30 AM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

Have actually never even heard the English dub. Not sure if I want to, even for lolz. Sailor Moon was bad enough.


Hmm...in my latest rewatch of the series, I got very pissed off any time someone was mean to Nanami. So I felt much fury towards Touga and pigtail girl (Keiko?). God knows Nanami deserves much of it but HELL I was really angry, like my face got hot and everything. emot-gonk


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#263 | Back to Top04-30-2015 03:56:48 PM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

gorgeousshutin wrote:

Nocturnalux wrote:

That would make sense, yes, I'd count such a scenario as 'fatal disease'.

And I'm sure it's been mentioned before but those yaoi hands really freak me out on occasion.

So much of Utena is about borderline situations (Utena and the Kaorus being borderline children, Akio and Kanae being bordline adults, etc), thus why I got this "bad-but-might-live-longer-with-treatment" scenario as my Ruka health headcanon.

P.S. "Yaoi hands?"

If it's 'live longer but would still die' then I can buy it, if it's 'could be cured and resume normal life' then I have serious doubts.

'Yaoi hands', when male characters' hands are absurdly huge in comparison to their own body. Even stranger when in compariosn to other people:

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma55l7dS1N1rqs5ulo1_1280.jpg

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#264 | Back to Top04-30-2015 06:28:43 PM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

God, that thing is not a hand. It's a frickin' face-hugger!

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#265 | Back to Top04-30-2015 08:18:12 PM

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Re: What pisses you off the most in SKU?

hahahahahhaha what the frick touga


im a shadow play girl irl

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