Good idea, Gio! Thanks.

Ok, so before we find out for real WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS ABOUT SNAPE THEORY??? I mean, because of what happened in the second-to-last book - everybody has an idea about what Snape's role actually is! Before we get to see what Snape's REALLY been up to, who wants to say what they think ahead of time? Let's make it interesting. The winner's get infinite poptarts! I'll say what I think, as soon as I get the white out part down!

I'm inclined to agree with you, Stormcrow. If he were truly on the villains' side he wouldn't have been as upset about killing Dumbledore as he was. Someone has to be the truly tragic hero and what better a candidate than a possible enemy throughout the previous six books who at the last minute redeems himself in the eyes of our heroes?

This is the spoiler thread, so I'm going to assume whoever's reading it is willing to stomach spoilers; I won't bother with white text.
Except maybe to amuse myself.
I agree with Stormcrow.  If there's one thing we know about Dumbledore, it's that he's always right.  He trusts Snape; therefore, Snape, however reluctantly and at whatever length, is on our side.  Killing Dumbledore gets Snape Voldemort's unqualified trust; Snape will abuse this trust to make sure good triumphs over evil during Book 7.

And I do think Dumbledore is dead, though I've heard some cogent opposing arguments.

Honestly, I just hope J.K. ties up all the loose threads.  She's said she doesn't plan to continue writing about Harry, so as far as canon goes, this is it.

Last edited by satyreyes (07-18-2007 11:53:46 PM)

If Dumbledore is alive, I'll be a little miffed. Not a lot, because I'm not heavily invested in the books, but that would be the biggest cop-out since Jesus rose from the dead in the Gospel.

Stormcrow wrote:

If Dumbledore is alive, I'll be a little miffed. Not a lot, because I'm not heavily invested in the books, but that would be the biggest cop-out since Jesus rose from the dead in the Gospel.

Okay, that made me roflmao. Well, without the "f" part.

I agree with everyone who has agreed with Stormcrow. Dumbledore is always right, every book something would happen and Harry would be quick to point and say, "Snape, Snape, Snape!" eventually he would tell Dumbledore of his suspicions, but by the end when the mystery was solved, Dumbledore was always right and Snape, while remaining suspicious would be in the clear. Making Snape actually guilty, actually evil, would make Dumbledore appear an absolute FOOL throughout every single book, which couldn't possibly be the case. Also, Dumbledore has never given an accurate reason for his trust in Snape. Whenever he was pinned down by Harry, in nearly every book, it was always something vague and unreadable...which makes me believe he was hiding something, like a grand scheme with Snape to rid the world of Voldemort. The only side note is that, JK has always been extremely friendly with her fans, to the degree that she chose the two most popular Potter websites and flew the admins over to have a private interview session with her (holy shit, that would rule if Ikuhara did that with Gio & Yasha someday, although, getting info from him would be like speaking with a Sphinx)! So, I do wonder if JK, listening to her fans accurately predict her book ending, would have a mindset to shake things up?!? Not very probable, but possible.

Also, I do agree that Dumbledore is dead. I've also heard that "his symbol was the phoenix" so he will RISE from the ashes. He may rise, metaphorically, when the entire Snape/Dumbledore plan is revealed. But I think he's really dead. He had to die, because he was the Most Powerful figure, smarter than Harry, more experienced, more wise, the more fitting wizard to have an end battle with Voldemort. However, because the main character IS Harry Potter, they needed to remove Dumbledore so that Harry would be the only candidate worthy of facing Voldemort.

Who will die? I haven't a clue. A lot of people are saying it's going to be Harry. Sometimes authors are known to do this to prevent the rewriting of their characters. Don Quixote comes to mind. I do not have a suspicion one way or the other, but I will say that I don't like Ron & Hermione paired together, so if Ron dies that would leave the door open for Harry. That's just my personal wish if one of the three has to go, although I would rather NONE of those three die...let it be Ginny! Or anyone else save for the 3 best friends!

death vote: Ron 
Snape prediction: good

I agree -- Snape is the good guy, and he's gonna end up dying. Which is sad, as he's my favorite. Because what else could he and Dumbledore been arguing about that got him so upset? He must have told him about the Unbreakable Vow, and how he wanted to just Break the Unbreakable Vow and die, but Dumbledore wouldn't let him. I figure he would rather die at the friend of a colleague instead of letting some poor young boy kill and have his life be completely ruined by something he was bred to be.

On R.A.B., I haven't really given it this much thought, but it's a possibility. Although I do believe that R.A.B. is someone we haven't met before. Sirius painted his brother to be some sort of coward who got too far in and couldn't get out. I don't figure him to be the guy looking for the Horcruxes, unless Sirius didn't know he wasn't really a Death Eater and was some sort of Order of the Phoenix secret agent or something.

Last edited by Lady Nilamarthiel (07-19-2007 12:23:48 AM)

I never understood, either. I don't like him, either. I don't understand why Lucius Malfoy has fans, either. He's COMPLETELY rotten, also with no redeeming qualities. I personally think that both characters were popularized by the movies, because they describe them as aristocratically attractive in the books, people can actually see them on the screen. And, from what I can tell, people a lot of girls like long-haired, pale-haired, pale-skinned guys. *coughsephirothcough*

Lady N, that's a magnificent theory! Snape, the unsung hero, is the one to die at the end! I'm inclined to agree with you, it would be just tragic enough to realize the guy's been misunderstood all this time and then take the final bullet, and it would keep the three kids out of the clear! Perfect theory, I'm gonna bet you're right.

Draco, I also have zero love for that character, so I don't understand it either! The very first SLASH fanfiction I ever had the misfortune of reading was Harry/Draco. I was scarred and didn't run into the hot slash, because I had such horrors in my mind from that story. He's mean to Harry, Ron, and Hermione - he's leading a pack of insane frolicking bullies, I'm with Rowling, I just can't stand his character! But I think fans maybe like to develop him with qualities of their own making, since he was NOT developed much before the 6th book. Who knows, but I'm with you Shattered. Startled.

Death vote: Definitely Voldemort; almost certainly Harry; probably Snape.  Voldemort and Harry are too closely linked for one to live while the other dies.  Edited to add, in response to Lady N: Good Always Prevails, while part of the message of the HP books, is incomplete; the message is, Good Always Prevails At A Cost.  You can actually watch her ramping up the deaths: minor player Cedric in Book 4, then major player Sirius in Book 5, then beloved Dumbledore in Book 6.  The only cost good can pay in Book 7 that won't pale beside the costs good has already paid is for the Boy Who Lived to die.

R.A.B.: Regulus Black, for three reasons.  First, while we aren't told his middle name in the books, we need an excuse to revisit and tie up the Sirius thread of the plot.  Tracing Regulus's movements will give Harry a way to reconcile himself to Sirius's death.  Second, Miney does some research at the end of Book 6 and comes up with a list of R.A.B.s, but Regulus Black doesn't make the list.  Rowling pays attention to detail; if Hermione missed this name, there's a reason.  Third and most compellingly, R.A.B.'s last initial changes in foreign-language editions to match Regulus Black's last initial.  To my mind, this last detail proves that at the very least, Harry will spend some time in Book 7 believing that R.A.B. is Regulus Black.

I'll be watching for the fate of Neville, the other boy who the prophecy could apply to.

Last edited by satyreyes (07-19-2007 01:20:51 AM)

Frosty wrote:

I forgot what the signifigance of RAB was. A clue left as to who was helping Voldy along?

Not quite.  Remember at the end of Book 6, when it turned out that the locket Dumbledore had drunk the sickening potion to get to wasn't a Horcrux after all?  It was a fake left by "R.A.B.", who enclosed a note saying that he had taken the real Horcrux and planned to destroy it.  Regulus Black, you'll remember, was a Death Eater who at some point abandoned his allegiance to Voldemort; I'm not sure we've learned why.

Last edited by satyreyes (07-19-2007 01:29:14 AM)

I haven't read of the HP books, only watched the movies but I think Dumbledore could come back to life because I think that The Order of the Phoenix wasn't just named in honour of his pet but something to do with how he could arise from the dead as I think his very nature is related to the Phoenix somehow.

Personally I like the series Negima better even if it has being discribed as A Welsh Harry Potter and the Harem of Hotties.