This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#26 | Back to Top08-03-2014 06:41:53 AM

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Re: Chiho Saito: Discussion Prompt

Don't Utena and Anthy kiss in the one of the volumes?  If so I find it way hard to believe Ms. Saito was a homophobe. I always thought that she was thinking that most straight girls would be either indifferent or grossed out by a female/female romance.

Anywaaaaayyy...I enjoy the manga because it made a lot of symbolism easier to understand.  It's what I like to call Utena Lite. I really really wish that Kozue's first anime appearance was more like her manga one and that they hadn't made Nanami the jealous one.      The only thing I disliked about the manga  was that Juri basically took Nanami's place. Come on,  even if she were straight I don't think she'd go after a guy like Touga. She likes people she can protect.

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#27 | Back to Top08-25-2014 11:26:04 AM

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Re: Chiho Saito: Discussion Prompt

brian wrote:

At least one reviewer was a bit put off by her pro-lesbian agenda.
http://www.themanime.org/viewreview.php?id=466

The reviewer wrote:

Chu-Chu, Anthy's monkey (well, it's remotely a monkey) that is quite possibly the world's ugliest show mascot.

What?! Chu-Chu is freakin' adorable! Cutest lil' anime monkey for real. Why I oughta...
http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Student_Council_Arc/02/Series_ep02_119.jpg?m=1380825803


The reviewer wrote:

Utena is heavily laden with lesbian overtones (though not nearly as overt in the anime than in the manga), and anyone looking to debunk the myth that women's comics and animation is primarily written by lesbians should avoid this series at all costs,

What even... I don't think the reviewer even knew what they were talking about. Where did they even hear this "myth" that "women's comics and animation is primarily written by lesbians." I have never heard of such a statement until I read this silly review.


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#28 | Back to Top08-26-2014 01:11:46 AM

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Re: Chiho Saito: Discussion Prompt

Kiseki wrote:

The reviewer wrote:

Utena is heavily laden with lesbian overtones (though not nearly as overt in the anime than in the manga), and anyone looking to debunk the myth that women's comics and animation is primarily written by lesbians should avoid this series at all costs,

What even... I don't think the reviewer even knew what they were talking about. Where did they even hear this "myth" that "women's comics and animation is primarily written by lesbians." I have never heard of such a statement until I read this silly review.

Because PMS is giving me very VERY feministic ideas lol and I have one of what he might means right now, here you go 

aren't feminists labeled as lesbains? or something like that and some supposed feminists do think that the word means that you either detest all things with penis or you are not a real feminist.
so we have stereotype No 1 : Feminist = Lesbian (not my words people not mine)

then girl comics tend to be all about girl power, girls being great, girls this girls that, posing a pretty clear feministic message
so stereotype No 2: girl comic writers = feminists

so then you have the math of the idiots

if A = B and B = C then A = C
so you have it
girl comic writers = lesbians for him

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#29 | Back to Top08-26-2014 02:10:36 AM

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Re: Chiho Saito: Discussion Prompt

Ah... I can see now where they would derive their reasoning from as I have heard these general assumptions in society before. I just think it's funny because the reviewer is talking about Saito and how the manga supposedly had stronger "lesbian overtones." The adaptation with queerer themes was the anime, which was directed by Ikuhara. Saito was there, but she had more control over her manga, which was overall more conservative in comparison.


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