Don't forget the scene where they've been out driving and they're back at the tower sitting in the car. We see Akio push Utena down in his car and lean over her in a highly suggestive position.

SEX!

I always thought Episode 33 was the only time; at least, the only time that we're supposed to see. However, read this passage from Episode 36:

Akio:  So, what do you think? Once you get used to it, it feels pretty good, doesn't it?
Utena:  Yes...my heart was pounding. A lot.
Akio:  I see. I'm glad.
Utena:  It's been a really long time since I've spent time out in nature like this. I feel like I'm dreaming or something. It was really fun.

Yeah, they're talking about horseback riding, but I think the double entendre is obvious and intended. Maybe the horseback riding scenes are like the post-code Hollywood movies, where a man lighting a woman's cigarette signaled that they'd had sex, even if they were in a bar or on a street or wherever.

I think it's, if not stated, at least heavily implied that they continued to have sex after Episode 33. Maybe he even fucked her while she was having that whole flashback to meeting Ends of the World. But it's left open to the viewer to decide.

Of course, Akio could gain more by taking advantage of her and then leading her on without any more sex. Remember that his whole m.o. is pretending to forge a prince's sword out of Utena's soul, just to keep Anthy from leaving him. Does sleeping with Utena more than once add or subtract from this goal? You tell me.

Asking how many times anybody and Akio had sex is kind of a dicey proposition. I mean, we only see him with Mrs. Ohtori once, but I highly doubt that was the only time. And him and Touga...who knows?

Last edited by minervana (02-06-2010 05:49:17 AM)

I think that we only see them do it twice in the series. The first is in episode thirty-three and the second is in episode thirty-seven when she's wearing the sweater. While I didn't miss the horseback riding innuendo I always assumed the following kiss was just Akio playing prince.

Every time I see them together, I assume it's a secret sex scene.
Though, I assume Akio existing is a secret sex scene...

I always thought Episode 33 was the only time; at least, the only time that we're supposed to see. However, read this passage from Episode 36:

    Akio:  So, what do you think? Once you get used to it, it feels pretty good, doesn't it?
    Utena:  Yes...my heart was pounding. A lot.
    Akio:  I see. I'm glad.
    Utena:  It's been a really long time since I've spent time out in nature like this. I feel like I'm dreaming or something. It was really fun.

Yeah, they're talking about horseback riding, but I think the double entendre is obvious and intended. Maybe the horseback riding scenes are like the post-code Hollywood movies, where a man lighting a woman's cigarette signaled that they'd had sex, even if they were in a bar or on a street or wherever.

I recall that also, the English actors kinda lost the subtlety so it was a little more obvious what they were discussing. When I saw that scene at first in Japanese, I had no idea that it could have meant something else.

I always thought their sexual relationship went on for a lot longer, it's why I thought Utena was more pissed than sad when she found out about Akio and Anthy.

minervana wrote:

I always thought Episode 33 was the only time; at least, the only time that we're supposed to see. However, read this passage from Episode 36:

Akio:  So, what do you think? Once you get used to it, it feels pretty good, doesn't it?
Utena:  Yes...my heart was pounding. A lot.
Akio:  I see. I'm glad.
Utena:  It's been a really long time since I've spent time out in nature like this. I feel like I'm dreaming or something. It was really fun.

Yeah, they're talking about horseback riding

I think you had me laughing for a good 20 minutes after reading your first line. It was as if you said "yeah right... 'horseback riding'... righttt..." But i understand what you're getting at now.

I dont know;  although the implications are obvious and the situations are just too big to miss; i hate to say it but i'm sure the relationship expanded past just the one time. I always thought of utena as the innocent by-stander!

Alexa wrote:

I think Akio probably planned for them to have an ongoing sexual relationship, given his ultimate goal.  My interpretation is that he intended her to give up her "princely" ideals (and thus her goal of becoming a prince) by having her voluntarily do something she thought was wrong: a sexual relationship with a man who was already engaged to someone else.  If the scene in episode 33 had been a one-time encounter, it would have been a lot easier for Utena to write it off as a mistake that she never intended to happen.

So yeah.  I definitely think they had sex more than once.  That makes it a lot more interesting.

Your explanation just made it click.  I agree with the point on it adding to Utena's guilt, but even more so, seeing Akio as the puppeteer through this whole thing, it only adds to the power Akio does have...which makes Utena's feat of tarnishing his control over everything that much more epic.  Utena's like freaking Hercules. 

Carrie Asagiri wrote:

Alexa wrote:

I think Akio probably planned for them to have an ongoing sexual relationship, given his ultimate goal.  My interpretation is that he intended her to give up her "princely" ideals (and thus her goal of becoming a prince) by having her voluntarily do something she thought was wrong: a sexual relationship with a man who was already engaged to someone else.  If the scene in episode 33 had been a one-time encounter, it would have been a lot easier for Utena to write it off as a mistake that she never intended to happen.

So yeah.  I definitely think they had sex more than once.  That makes it a lot more interesting.

I think in the same way. And I thought too that Akio planned it to made her give up to be a prince, but not only because she was doing something wrong but she was acting like a woman and not like a boy. We can see that Utena became more femenine when she is with Akio, in the ep 33 she is dressed like a girl in a very sexy way. She was flirting with him, unconsciously of course. We can say she was seducing him or maybe she only thought it, but was manipulated to believe it. With Akio, she acted like a woman and was forgetting her prince role. She even doesn't care to slept with Akio betraying her prince. Obviously, she felt guilty but that guilt didn't stop her to keep seeing Akio and sleep with him.

Yes.  Akio doesn't give a shit about morals, but Utena does...and guilt tripping her weakens her self-confidence to act as a prince.  The goal is to get the Sword of Dios and Akio uses various methods.  Encouraging her to abandon her ideals and to be a princess is just one of them and he'll use sex, whatever to get his goal.

The only time they really show that they have sex is in ep. 33. I'm pretty sure there was more sex going on than intended for us poor innocent (not ) vieweres too see, but probably not as much as Akio would have wanted.