This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)
#26 | Back to Top06-11-2010 01:53:55 PM
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Re: The names of the duels...
I always thought this are some how parallel with this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_de_la_Rose.
Am I wrong?
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#27 | Back to Top06-11-2010 03:16:09 PM
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Re: The names of the duels...
Saio wrote:
I always thought this are some how parallel with this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_de_la_Rose.
Am I wrong?
No idea! I've never even heard of that poem before, but it would be awesome if there was a connection. You tell us - what role do the "duel title" words play in that poem? Is there a similar progression of some kind?
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#28 | Back to Top06-11-2010 04:50:21 PM
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Re: The names of the duels...
M...mm.m.
It's hard to explain, especially, counting on the fact , that English is not my native language.
Also I might be wrong with this theory.
It is based mostly on my feelings, rather than on facts.
Anyway- I think modern English text of this classical medieval poem is somwhere present online (see the Wiki article), so anyone can try.
But also I'll try to be more specific from my side.
This poem is allegorical.
There are some simbolical acts and characters present there in a line.
If I remember properly - Medieval French "names" for this acts (deeds) and charecters are corresponding with some duel "names" in Utena.
Progression of the line is not simmillar exactly - but I am remembering myself finding many associations ,when firstly watched Utena.
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#29 | Back to Top06-09-2011 11:03:53 AM
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Re: The names of the duels...
Dallbun wrote:
Kanae （疎外）alieation
Kozue （執着）attache
Shiori （嫉妬）jalousis
Tsuwabuki （焦燥）impatience
Wakaba （限界）limite
Keiko （依存）dependance
Mikage （自覚）conscience
Saionji 3 （関係）relation
Miki 2 （誘惑）tentation
Ruka （友情）amitie
Juri 2 （選択）choix
Nanami 2 （友情）amitie
Touga 3 （選択）choix
Akio （革命）revolution
"alieation" is not a French word, but "aliénation" is.
Same with "jalousis" -> "jalousie".
And missing accents :
"dependance" -> "dépendance"
"amitie" -> "amitié"
"revolution" -> "révolution"
For instance I don't know what "limite" would be, other than maybe "limit"
Yes, "limite" = "limit".
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#30 | Back to Top06-09-2011 04:10:59 PM
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Re: The names of the duels...
VictorVVV wrote:
"alieation" is not a French word, but "aliénation" is.
Same with "jalousis" -> "jalousie".
And missing accents :
"dependance" -> "dépendance"
"amitie" -> "amitié"
"revolution" -> "révolution"
Thanks! Of course, nobody ever claimed that Utena-related materials used good French. 
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#31 | Back to Top05-19-2015 02:25:40 PM
Re: The names of the duels...
I was looking for these today and after finding them was wondering about the pick for Wakaba's duel.
Looked up, best as I could, the meaning of the French limite, since sometimes basing meaning on direct translation can lose nuance.
In this case it doesn't seem to, but it used a phrase I thought very apt and very sad for Wakaba, "as far as something can go"
As in, Wakaba can only make it so far because she's not "special." She fights to go further, but she loses. It's as far as she can go.
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