Shinolala2 wrote:

vedy vedy intersting. i just had to read that like 5 times over to get it. where do you people get this kind of knowledge?!

Must be all the colloidal-silver in the bottled water we all drink.

Stephanie wrote:

Touga x Utena = (Complement) compatible strengths with opposite emphases

How about Juri x Touga?

Most interesting, Stephanie - thanks for posting all this info. I love Myers Briggs, and indeed all personality/behavioral theory. And you've even gone and combined it with SKU.

Not important but let me add that I'm an ENFP too. *gasp & huggles to fellow ENFP* (although my P is like only one point above my J). So of course I'm curious to know...which Utena character would be the best romantic and which would be the best friendship possibility for our personality? And who would our enemy be? And would we get on? Do ENFPs like each other? I have heard that "NF" personalities tend to be drawn to/good friends with other NFs...I wonder if that's really true?

I would have pegged Juri for an Introvert. Just because she's introverted doesn't mean she can't be a leader. There are a lot of CEOs that are I's and not E's. The rest does sound about right though. But that's just me using my limited knowledge of MBIT.

Interesting. I myself am an INTP. Very intriguing analysis.

I'm a INFP. I took the MBIT for work. It's actually pretty accurate for me. I do switch from being a P or a J depending, but right now I've been rather strong with P.

I would put Utena more at an ESFP. S because she deals primarily with what's in front of her and has weak inference skills, and F because she forms attachments pretty quickly.

Ohtori is probably INTJ. He might SEEM like he's good with people, but he basically never sees more than 1 or 2 people at a time, and the one time you see him with 3 other people (when dealing with Utena, Wakaba, and Himemiya in the same room) is the only time he really freaks out.

Mikage Souji is INTP all the way.

Congratulations, Satyreyes, you're an anime villain!

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ENFP and ESFP seems to be very similar. I tried looking up differences between ESFP and ENFP, but it's hard to keep track of who is which.; I guess ESFPs are more direct, practical and literal, which sounds like Utena. ENFPs are more imaginative and will try to look for meaning/motivation.

Akio definitely strikes me as an introvert, but what about Dios?

I'm an INTP, so according to that site I'd be Saionji's anima, Miki's supplement, and Touga's contrast.  (What's an anima?) It makes more sense that Miki and I would go well together despite my crush on Saionji.

I'm an INFP too. Don't know how I'd feel about Akio being my advisor I can see him prying off my rose tinted glasses when I get overly optimistic and whatnot, but we'd hit a dead end when I called bad touch I can excuse him for the mullet if we accept that the show was made in the ninties, but he's been around a long enough time you'd figure he'd avoid all of the trends that inevitably look ridiculous in a few years. But he is a flashy show off, and Ohtori Academy doesn't seem to have a solid concept of time anyway... 

After more thoroughly looking through the ENFP and ESFP types, I'm going to have to agree that Utena is an ESFP. Headcanon changed. It's easy to look at her character and her fixation on the past and fairytale tropes and identity uncertainties, and see her as an NF, overlooking the fact that besides that being her motivation she isn't really consciously thinking about her past or motivations nearly as much as anyone else in the cast. She really is a here and now type of person in the way that she operates and she prefers simple and direct solutions and explanations to deeper more thought provoking ones.

Dios is harder to type because we don't get that much screen time of him. I think for sure he's an introvert and he's a feeler not a thinker. My guess would be INFP, I get that vibe from him. He wants to make the world a better place, with an optimism that he makes a difference in the end. He drives himself into the ground for his high standards to his ideal. He wants to help everyone and make everyone happy and places that above logic or who's right or wrong, instead focusing on how a person feels as a measure of the situation (ie, placing alone on Christmas eve on par with being attacked by a monster) Sounds like an INFP to me...

I don"t know if anyone's attempted to figure out the cast enneagram types, sounds interesting to me I'm not as familiar with the enneagram types as with MBIT, but I'll definitely brush up a little then add my opinions

Going back once again to the ESFP topic, I think that might be what makes Utena come across as so... less than intelligent Not to say that in general having a sensing trait over an intuitive trait makes you any less intelligent or even appears that way, but in a cast full with mostly intuitive or judging types who like to go over all the things in the past and think deeply about everything in a complex deep way or act with logic and reason, Utena might look a little simple for looking at the obvious and not delving deeper then jumping in with her feeling trait. A lot of it is that she's kind of dense, but I think being filled in a cast with either an intuitive or judging trait might make her look worse by comparison. She gets a lot of that interpretation in-universe (which isn't completely untrue ) but she's the only SF in a decent sized cast and I think there's a lack of understanding for that personality type.

just mulling over the implications of my new headcanon

But I was also thinking of this, I remember reading somewhere that Anthy almost comes across like a really broken INFP, and it got me thinking, has anyone tried typing her assuming she's in her shadow functions? Do we even know where her shadow ends and her true type begins? man, she's a MBIT typing nightmare

I think Utena's simplicity is the reason she made it as far as she did in the game and caused the revolution The bias is mostly in universe itself, they don't see the value in Utena's face value approach. Even though not thinking too much is what allows her to be undistracted and win duels 99% of the time I love her takes on C-Ko's plays, even if they're metaphors for a more complicated plot, the solutions Utena gives are solid solutions to the ones presented, no one could say it's bad advice "Take em' off"

As for Enneagram Types excuse the wall of text, I've been researching

Utena I type as a 6, The Loyalist

The committed, security-oriented type. Sixes are reliable, hard-working, responsible, and trustworthy. Excellent "troubleshooters," they foresee problems and foster cooperation, but can also become defensive, evasive, and anxious—running on stress while complaining about it. They can be cautious and indecisive, but also reactive, defiant and rebellious. They typically have problems with self-doubt and suspicion. At their Best: internally stable and self-reliant, courageously championing themselves and others.

Fits her through and through. Trying to fix everyone's problems, staying loyal to people even when it's downright stupid to do so ( Note: I find the use of "will go down with the ship" used on the description page to be a perfect explanation for hauling your half dead ass to save the girl that just impaled you ) and her constant identity struggle as well as most of her character is explained well here:

Until they can get in touch with their own inner guidance, Sixes are like a ping-pong ball that is constantly shuttling back and forth between whatever influence is hitting the hardest in any given moment. Because of this reactivity, no matter what we say about Sixes, the opposite is often also as true. They are both strong and weak, fearful and courageous, trusting and distrusting, defenders and provokers, sweet and sour, aggressive and passive, bullies and weaklings, on the defensive and on the offensive, thinkers and doers, group people and soloists, believers and doubters, cooperative and obstructionistic, tender and mean, generous and petty—and on and on. It is the contradictory picture that is the characteristic “fingerprint” of Sixes, the fact that they are a bundle of opposites.

And what I think happens after the revolution

The biggest problem for Sixes is that they try to build safety in the environment without resolving their own emotional insecurities. When they learn to face their anxieties, however, Sixes understand that although the world is always changing and is, by nature uncertain, they can be serene and courageous in any circumstance. And they can attain the greatest gift of all, a sense of peace with themselves despite the uncertainties of life.


For all the difficulties in typing Anthy I mentioned, here her type stood out to me, she tries to appear as a type 2, but behind that front lies what I think to be a type 5, The Investigator

Fives are alert, insightful, and curious. They are able to concentrate and focus on developing complex ideas and skills. Independent, innovative, and inventive, they can also become preoccupied with their thoughts and imaginary constructs. They become detached, yet high-strung and intense. They typically have problems with eccentricity, nihilism, and isolation. At their Best: visionary pioneers, often ahead of their time, and able to see the world in an entirely new way.

I know it's not as obvious as Juri's, but this is pretty close to how I see the "real" Anthy. When we see her, even in her acting like a type 2, there is a mixture  of detachment and curiosity beneath it. She makes the cast her guinea pigs because she wants to watch them suffer and learn what makes them suffer. She takes a joy in knowing these people so well she can say two words and get them so enraged they take it out on her face. I think this is why I don't see her as "bad" per say, I see this as her taking a natural curiosity of people in a dark direction because it's the direction she's been led in by the life she's lived. After all, she makes Utena her guinea pig too, she loves making her flustered and becomes a master at it by the black rose saga. I honestly think the reason Anthy becomes so attached to Utena is because she couldn't 100% figure her out.

But what most leads me to believe this is her type is this

Behind Fives’ relentless pursuit of knowledge are deep insecurities about their ability to function successfully in the world. Fives feel that they do not have an ability to do things as well as others. But rather than engage directly with activities that might bolster their confidence, Fives “take a step back” into their minds where they feel more capable. Their belief is that from the safety of their minds they will eventually figure out how to do things—and one day rejoin the world

Hiding in a coffin you say?

I have interpretations for the rest of the cast, and I'll post them later