Basically I would take the existing movie, because the animation and design in it is just great and make it into a good movie and not something that sounds like the writer was drunk while scripting it. @_____@ I like the Anthy meeting up with Utena idea.


Although my fangirl side is saying: "A Miki movie, damnit, all about twincest and Kozue, er, bonding in the sunlit garden!!"

YamPuff wrote:

lthough my fangirl side is saying: "A Miki movie, damnit, all about twincest and Kozue, er, bonding in the sunlit garden!!"

I'd buy that for a dollar!

YamPuff wrote:

they did to the characters, don't like all the fanservice.

Well, did you really expect the characters to get the characters the same amount of development in an hour and a half? The movie was centered around Utena and Anthy, and they got all the development they needed. And the fanservice can't really  be called fanservice, seeing as it was all there for a reason.

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Just to be silly, I wouldn't mind seeing a kind of westernized Bollywood version of the Utena movie. Instead of the movie Rose Bride dress, we'd get Anthy in an obscenely gorgeous red sari. Well, a bit more ornate than that...but you get the idea. It would also get Movie Akio out of that hideous outfit.

But for a slightly more realistic version, I think the series would turn out like the movie Cruel Intentions. We already have siblings in various degrees of incest, so it's not much of a stretch. Akio and Anthy are the Valmont stepsiblings, and Utena is the good girl that gets sucked into their dark and dirty world at their prestigious private school. Besides, the car that Ryan Phillipe drives looks just like the Akio car, only black.

Although a movie all about Shiori would give me a heart attack [best way to die ever!], I know it wouldn't happen anytime soon. I think if they tried to remake the movie, it should have some more elements from Anthy's POV. I know Utena is the main character [It sure ain't Shoujo Kakumei Paris Hilton], but the movie was so one-sided. Yeah, in the small amount of time you are given for a movie you can't fit everyone in the way they deserved, but for one of the main characters, Anthy has very little story in the movie. Sure, we can interpret everything and make her nice and complex, but as far as the things we really see on screen, Anthy hardly qualifies as a character even. You never got to see her have feelings about anything. I know Anthy isn't the big feeling character, but that's why it was so epic in the series. To see her smile, or cry, or yell...she did nothing in the movie. It made her robotic role far less appealing than it was in the series.

If they were to do a live-action Utena movie, I think it would have to be in the film-comic-book style that they used for the Sin City movie. That could be really cool, but then I just loved the style in that movie.

The nude art posing scenes? That's fanservice in my eyes. Besides, nudity can be defined as fanservice. At least that's what wikipedia tells me. emot-tongue I didn't see that any of them were needed, nudity certainly was not needed in the anime series to get the point across, and that lack of nudity made it a classy series. I felt the movie was degraded by it.

Well, fanservice nudity is meant to give extra titillation to the viewers, but I didn't see anything particulary sexual about the nude-scenes of the movie. They certainly didn't work as turn-ons for me. On the other hand, they seemed to carry symbolical function in them. Especially the one in the end is obviously about rebirth and throwing away the bonds of the old life.

The nudity and Anthy Utena didn't 'creep me out'. In fact I wouldn't have minded one or two nude scenes. But it seemed like every other scene some girl is nude on screen. And it felt like fanservice to me. It felt like a cheap shot. Yes it does work, it does have its uses, but not in every other damn scene! 'Lets make them nude because its obviously so symbolic! And again and again, again....' The series barely had any nudity, just the Anthy bits which were just shown on screen for a few seconds if I recall correctly. I like the creative symbolism of the series, not overused symbolism. Anyone and their dog can use nudity to symbolize something. Not anyone can take something as farfetched as an umbrella and turn it into a brilliant symbol.

Alithea wrote:

There are a few fan fics that would make for good concepts to form a script. *cougharchmagecough*

Hina the Prince wrote:

They should make an Archimage movie.

I'm willing and able to produce a script if they want to pay me big bags of money......

And, hey!  Cheap to shoot on location -- Boston and New Orleans.  And lots of backlot!  Oh.  And, er, Greece.  Yeah.  Nevermind.  Although, I suppose, the New Orleans stuff would probably have to be cut for a movie.  Or trimmed heavily.  Gah.

Can I have a whole television series?  One season should do it.

I don't like the idea of a live action but I'm always like that with anime.

But I think anime movies covering the backgrounds of all the characters would be awesome, a sort of pre series movie special. All their childhoods, everything that happened before they went into Ohtori, or even the start of the Student Council and some of those duels before Utena showed up. In the ep before Miki shows up, in the 'next episode segment' Utena says that Miki has 'only fought one duel'. Intriguing.

Hina the Prince wrote:

Uh. Huh? There were two nude scenes. Unless you count the Shiori butterfly scene, which, being disgusting and all, was far from fanservice. And it's not like nudity was the only thing symbolic about the movie. I don't think anyone and their dog could turn someone into a car in order to express that person's feelings for another.

There was the Miki and Kozue scene, the Shiori scene, the posing art scene and the ending kissing scene. There may have been another. I never say the nudity was the only symbolic bit; I thought it was the worst symbolic bit because nudity as symbolism is overused and cliche. I expected better from the movie. The car bit very original and interesting, so I applaud it with all my heart whereas I think the overuse of nudity in the movie brought it down a few notches. Its like they were making up for all that they couldn't put in the series. Now if the only nude scene had been the one part in the end with the kissing, now that would be impressive. In any case, nudity aside, the movie was still a mess IMO.

YamPuff wrote:

There was the Miki and Kozue scene, the Shiori scene, the posing art scene and the ending kissing scene. There may have been another. I never say the nudity was the only symbolic bit; I thought it was the worst symbolic bit because nudity as symbolism is overused and cliche. I expected better from the movie. The car bit very original and interesting, so I applaud it with all my heart whereas I think the overuse of nudity in the movie brought it down a few notches. Its like they were making up for all that they couldn't put in the series. Now if the only nude scene had been the one part in the end with the kissing, now that would be impressive. In any case, nudity aside, the movie was still a mess IMO.

Actually, series-wise, I think the use of nudity (for Anthy, mostly) used in the series was very good. Well, not so much nudity, but also having her hair down and being without her glasses. When you see her with her glasses and her hair up, she's far more "restrained" and her more distant self, but when her hair is down and her glasses are off, she's more honest and emotional - notice how she goes to sleep without her glasses and with her hair down at the lart arc of the series, when she sleeps with Utena? She always seems more open then. Especially the part where Utena walks in on a naked Anthy with Akio, and the nude Anthy found in the coffin at the end. It's like it's her "true self" in the coffin.

And, of course, when she walked out on Akio and took off her glasses and put her hair down, too. She was much more assertive then.

But, yeah, movie-wise, the nudity was pretty over-done and fanservice/cliche, even if I liked it. Actually, I'm pretty sure the movie was supposed to have a lot of fanservice. Wasn't it made because a lot of fans wanted more sexual Utena/Anthy moments?

(On another note - did anyone notice how Anthy's eyes widened when Utena took off her clothing? I made so many prince/penis jokes at that part. She was just like "O.O", but I guess it's symbolic. Nudity - true self being revealed)

In any case, it didn't really bother me in the movie because, well.. I guess I'm one of those fans that doesn't mind some more romantic hintings for Utena/Anthy, so I definitely enjoyed it. But, yeah. Like I said in another thread, the movie is like a dessert to me, while the series is the main meal. Dessert as in it's sweet and delicious and nummy but not as good for you and doesn't have nearly as much substance, but it's still nice and fun to have sometimes.

..oops. I went way off-track. I'm sorry. ):

On-topic: Man, there are so many answers that people have already said that I would love seeing. But what would I do? I'm not sure. \: The series has so much development already, so many a little series of extra movies for the Utena movie, to give it more depth. I don't know. I don't usually like movie sequals, though, so maybe not. (A longer movie would have been nice, though, to give more insight for the other characters)

What about SKU, the Broadway play?

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SleepDebtFairy wrote:

What about SKU, the Broadway play?

A UFO falls from the ceiling instead of a chandelier.

As for how the movie would be if left up to me...let's see. Akio leaves Ohtori Academy and takes over a high rise in downtown New York City. He wears Gianni Campagna suits and seduces half the city into doing his bidding. His power grows as his influence does, and eventually, the whole world knows his name, but not that they've all been dragged into the coffin with him. There are several sex scenes, some of them with Touga in Brioni. Anthy is a florist in the village, who lives a long life but is eventually one of the few people to actually die after Akio takes over the world.

...what? The actual Utena movie read just as much like a bad fanfic.