This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)
General Discussions is probably Wakaba. She's not in on anything and is completely random.
The SKU section would have to be.... hm. Perhaps the projector? I'm not sure on that one.
Roleplaying is probably Anthy. Because she's good with masks and the like.
IFD........ well. That's not necessarily Akio, because not all of what's in there is sexing.... some of it is more violent or angry, so .... maybe Kozue?
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IFD is both of them, since with their scenes, the viewer literally catches them in flagrante.
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General Discussions - I think about Miki. There are lots of "serious" and "mature" topics there, and Miki of all the Student Council would be interested in it.
SKU - Wakaba. She's an official Utena stalker, and otaku at Ohtori, so... why not?
Roleplaying must be Akio. RPG's are little worlds made by people for their own amusement, just like Akio manipulates the life at Ohtori (a true Dungeon Master!).. however Mikage in some way also would fit in.. as an imaginary living body
And finally IFD - Juri. Why? Because her affection of Shiori wouldn't be easily accepted outside the Academy, just like our discussions from that forum wouldn't be considered "normal" by some people
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Matching forums to characters seems a little off, somehow, so instead I'll match forums to locations.
The key feature of IFD is that it welcomes you when none of the other forums will. Sex, anger, vulnerability -- you can feel comfortable in IFD. There is virtually nowhere like that in Utena. People rarely let down their guard. The only three systematic exceptions are Mikage's elevator, Akio's planetarium, and Akio's car. The elevator is too negative an image for our mostly lighthearted IFD, and the planetarium connotes taboos and secrecies that IFD rejects, so I'd have to say that IFD is the Akio car.
The roleplaying forum is for make-believe; you can wear anyone's face but your own. It's also unpopular. It has to be the Kashira Theater.*
The SKU forum is for talking shop. It's a place of arcane mystery, fraught with symbolism and jargon incomprehensible to the uninitiated. It seems appropriate to assign it a similarly mysterious location from Utena: the Student Council loft.
General Discussion is like a cocktail lounge for mostly-innocent chit-chat. There are no cocktail lounges in Utena (well, not for that kind of cocktail), but the quad serves a similar purpose. Friends get together there, or bump into each other, and have lunch while shooting the breeze. GD is the Ohtori quad.
* Fittingly, I stole this name from the Faceless Masses thread on the RP forum.
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I know it's a little late (that wasn't very long you know, Raz!) but my computer is definitely like Juri. Why?
Because she's a QUITTER.
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Also chiming in with late computer analogies.
My old computer was Nemuro Memorial Hall, because it caught fire and broke down.
But it made way for a newer, better, shinier computer, which I unofficially dubbed 'The Computer Where Eternity Dwells' upon purchase.
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*sigh* Now I just miss eating my toast with a nice spread of Utena... sweet and fresh when it's still unopened and untouched, but once you take off the lid and break her in, you just have to finish her off ASAP. Kind of a pity to have to finish her off, but it was really sweet when you're at it.
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Computer... humdidumdidum...
I think that it symbolises both Mikage's intellegence and the fact that he has forgotten about the TRUE past and mechanically marches forward to his goal.
Wow. That was pretty insightful for me.
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Stormcrow wrote:
(that wasn't very long you know, Raz!)
I wanted to post a new one every day, but maybe that is a bit too soon.
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satyreyes wrote:
Matching forums to characters seems a little off, somehow, so instead I'll match forums to locations.
The key feature of IFD is that it welcomes you when none of the other forums will. Sex, anger, vulnerability -- you can feel comfortable in IFD. There is virtually nowhere like that in Utena. People rarely let down their guard. The only three systematic exceptions are Mikage's elevator, Akio's planetarium, and Akio's car. The elevator is too negative an image for our mostly lighthearted IFD, and the planetarium connotes taboos and secrecies that IFD rejects, so I'd have to say that IFD is the Akio car.
The roleplaying forum is for make-believe; you can wear anyone's face but your own. It's also unpopular. It has to be the Kashira Theater.*
The SKU forum is for talking shop. It's a place of arcane mystery, fraught with symbolism and jargon incomprehensible to the uninitiated. It seems appropriate to assign it a similarly mysterious location from Utena: the Student Council loft.
General Discussion is like a cocktail lounge for mostly-innocent chit-chat. There are no cocktail lounges in Utena (well, not for that kind of cocktail), but the quad serves a similar purpose. Friends get together there, or bump into each other, and have lunch while shooting the breeze. GD is the Ohtori quad.
* Fittingly, I stole this name from the Faceless Masses thread on the RP forum.
I really like these. They're so fitting. And now I'll forever think of the IRG forums as those parts of Ohtori.
I still don't know what my laptop is.
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I completely, 100% forgot about this thread. o_o
Next up on the symbolism will be... The ocean.
One person's views on the ocean may be different from another's. To some people, the ocean is a fun place where you go with your family. It can be a happy place to be. On the other hand, the ocean can be very wild, unpredictable, and dangerous. The ocean can be linked to corruption, due to pirates, and because the ocean is an ungoverned an lawless place. Some people make a living off of the ocean, others meet their death.
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I believe the ocean is Kozue.
It's blue, it's deep, everyone plays in it, but you never know what nasty little creatures you'll find deep inside. Perhaps some crabs?
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Kozue is who I had in mind for the ocean, as well. My views on the ocean is something that I've asked myself before, especially the stuff about corruption. Originally, I was wondering about that because of something it said in Miki and Kozue's duel song.
dollface wrote:
I also believed it was Kozue, but because I get wet when I'm in it.
I think that I mentioned that for my friend and I, regular water symbolizes Shiori. All summer, whenever we're swimming together in a pool or a lake, we always joke around about it by saying , "I'm in Shiori!" or, "Shiori makes me wet!" Jokes like that are what the Symbolism Game is really all about.
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Anthy is the ocean. Calm and placid on the surface, it's as old as the earth, inconceivably deep and filled with deadly pointy things. It also keeps octopuses around and likes animals in general. Even though the surface is often peaceful and unassuming, it can unexpectedly sweep you under and crush the life out of you. It grows a ton of multi-coloured plantlife and its tides are controlled by the Moon.
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Stormcrow wrote:
The Ocean is Touga.
Because he smells like fish.
Don't be silly, he's a shark that swims in the ocean that smells like fish, and if he stays in one place too long, he'll drown, choking to death on the very scent he loves most.
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Tamago wrote:
The ocean represents Akio's sex life, why else do you think its so damn salty?
I would've thought the ocean represents Mikage and Mamiya as they exist yet they don't... They are, after all, existence without existence...
Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai...
(Reference to J.A. Seazer's "Death by Oceanic Moon Indigo")
But hey, your interpretation explains the taste...
But hm... if it's to represent Mikage, it can represent the tear that he shed in the confession room...
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Hiraku wrote:
Tamago wrote:
The ocean represents Akio's sex life, why else do you think its so damn salty?
I would've thought the ocean represents Mikage and Mamiya as they exist yet they don't... They are, after all, existence without existence...
Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai...
(Reference to J.A. Seazer's "Death by Oceanic Moon Indigo")
I was thinking of that song while I was thinking of the ocean, too. The mention of the moon also makes me think of Kozue, because she is symbolized by the moon during the series, and the moon is what creates the waves in the ocean.
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Razara wrote:
Hiraku wrote:
Tamago wrote:
The ocean represents Akio's sex life, why else do you think its so damn salty?
I would've thought the ocean represents Mikage and Mamiya as they exist yet they don't... They are, after all, existence without existence...
Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai, Shinai sonzai...
(Reference to J.A. Seazer's "Death by Oceanic Moon Indigo")I was thinking of that song while I was thinking of the ocean, too. The mention of the moon also makes me think of Kozue, because she is symbolized by the moon during the series, and the moon is what creates the waves in the ocean.
Your interpretation would very well link to Tamago's... the salty goodness of Akio and the rest of Kozue's male-harem
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Hiraku wrote:
Your interpretation would very well link to Tamago's... the salty goodness of Akio and the rest of Kozue's male-harem
If I was to pick the ocean to represent this, I would not choose an ocean but the Dead Sea, now that salt content is HIGH!
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Razara wrote:
The mention of the moon also makes me think of Kozue, because she is symbolized by the moon during the series,
wat
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Archambeau wrote:
Razara wrote:
The mention of the moon also makes me think of Kozue, because she is symbolized by the moon during the series,
wat
"It's not something you normally think about, and it doesn't serve much of a purpose, but from time to time, you look up at it, and it makes you feel better." Actually, it might be more accurate to say that it describes sibling relationships. Either way, I think she can be related to the moon in more than one way. It's hard to ignore the similarities between Miki and Apollo, and Kozue and Artemis. Artemis is the Goddess of the moon.
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Razara wrote:
Archambeau wrote:
Razara wrote:
The mention of the moon also makes me think of Kozue, because she is symbolized by the moon during the series,
wat
"It's not something you normally think about, and it doesn't serve much of a purpose, but from time to time, you look up at it, and it makes you feel better." Actually, it might be more accurate to say that it describes sibling relationships. Either way, I think she can be related to the moon in more than one way. It's hard to ignore the similarities between Miki and Apollo, and Kozue and Artemis. Artemis is the Goddess of the moon.
Except that Artemis is a virgin goddess, whereas Kozue is...something else.
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