IIRC, Mikage's birthday technically makes him a Scorpio/Sagittarius cusp. Interesting, since the way he is I'm damn surprised he's not pure Scorpio or Libra/Scorpio cusp (which he could also fit disturbingly well IMHO). Dunno if they intentionally took cusps into consideration or not when making the birth dates, though...

Oh ffff-, I was thinking he was the 20th, not the 30th. Not a cusp than I think. Fail memory is fail ._.

And I am a Taurus. Is it just me, or the Japanese do not like this sign? I used to think that Ruka was a Taurus, but now it's certain that he is not.

Frau Eva wrote:

If I remember correctly, Miki and Touga are both Gemini--which I am. Of course, Miki and Kozue being a Gemini is a little too apt. Miki certainly fulfills the creative and loving to learn aspects of the sign.

I would have pegged Touga as a better Leo than Nanami, who I'd see more as a Virgo. But Touga as a Gemini still works. He's persuasive and always struck me as easily bored.

I'm a gemini too   and it's also fitting that Miki/Kozue are indeed twins. One being 'good' and the other being 'bad.' I think Kozue fills out the perceived negative aspects of the sign. She's aggressive, a trouble-maker and precocious. Hm, I wonder how much analysis is in that. *brainstorming*

Frau Eva wrote:

If I remember correctly, Miki and Touga are both Gemini--which I am. Of course, Miki and Kozue being a Gemini is a little too apt. Miki certainly fulfills the creative and loving to learn aspects of the sign.

I would have pegged Touga as a better Leo than Nanami, who I'd see more as a Virgo. But Touga as a Gemini still works. He's persuasive and always struck me as easily bored.

No Nanami is definitely a Leo. She doesn't like to admit defeat, and has a tremendous amount of pride that crumbles apart once she realizes there is an obstacle that she has difficulty handling. She wants so desperately to be admired by her "servants" and gets really possessive of Touga. She needs servants to carry out her pranks, work, and whatever else because she doesn't like doing everything herself. She also puts the servants in their place to show who's boss. To put it short, she's a controlling snob on the outside, but totally fragile, relatable, and delicate on the inside. Which perfectly describes a Leo.

And being "persuasive and easily bored" are typical Gemini traits, they are not Leo traits. Leos love affection but they don't quite have the Air Sign cleverness to manipulate. Leos are the ones who are easily fooled by air signs, which is precisely what Touga had done to Nanami. Touga is the perfect Gemini because he knows how to manipulate beneath that pretty superficial shell of his.

Malacoda wrote:

Astrology threads, my favorite!

My sun sign is Pisces but I'm nothing like Wakaba and Anthy. While they can hide their feelings, I start smoldering. I'm sure bystanders have seen steam coming out of my ears.

Well Pisces don't really hide their feelings. They are pacific only when you haven't done something to anger them. They are in fact very prone to anger because Pisces is a water sign, thus rendering one emotional. They do get upset and show signs but that all builds up into fury when not resolved. So when provoked too much, they just blow up. Remember Wakaba during the Black Rose arc? She went batsheet crazy on Utena and Anthy lol. Anthy also pulls pranks and gets revenge in all the sickest ways. Pisces are scary scary people who will not hesitate to show that they are upset lol. Also Pisces are dream-dwellers. Both Wakaba and Anthy were wallowing in an illusion, in which Wakaba thought she was in love with Saionji but was for all the wrong reasons. Anthy also believed she could only accept Akio as her prince and was too blind to realize earlier that Utena was the one. They are bith also quite intuitive, Wakaba was able to shape up Utena during ep 12, and Anthy's very observant and calculating as well. Pisces are known to be the most 'psychic' out of all signs.

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zeedikay wrote:

ShiningSanctum1 wrote:

Well Taurus are very headstrong and upfront people-who are precisely NOT what you want in RGU lol. The creators picked the most insecure bunch ever. Note that there are no Scorpios either.

I noticed that as well. If we take the generally assigned traits of the sign, a Taurus would be exceptionally self-confident compared to the rest of the student body in Ohtori, and unfairly, very easily considered boring. Would an archetypical Taurus in RGU suffer more from frustrations caused by not being able to get through to others rather than being confronted with their own failings and stubbornness?

Scorpios, on the other hand, probably aren't represented because they would be considered annoying, too clever for their own good, passionate yet overwhelmingly so, weird, almost alien in nature... Wait a minute, you think that the Shadow Girls would be Scorpios if they actually were proven to have birthdays?

Probably, but if there were a Taurus, they would most likely be a very minor character trying to get into someone's head... But they would never be included since that would mean giving the answers away lol. Ikuhara doesn't want certain things to be explicitly answered.

But no, I do not see them as Scorpios at all! Scorpios are passionate and cunning, but they are experts only when getting revenge or finding a way to bring someone down. Which means they need an agenda. I never thought the Shadow Girls were trying to bring someone down, they were spreading gossip and more like poking fun at people's misfortunes haha. I was guessing that they could either be an Air Sign, or Cancers since Air Signs are playful and witty (a bit gossipy as well) and make good actors, while Cancers make great emotional actors and huge gossips.

Perhaps if we were to be given a shot of some random school pervert, he would have been most likely to be a Scorpio hehe

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Raven Nightshade wrote:

Also, I may or may not be constructing natal charts for SKU characters in another browser tab right now. Just saying.

I'm guessing you're basing it off of the ages they would be when it aired, is that correct? Also, this is only slightly related, but 1997 was also the year of the Ox in the Chinese zodiac.

Raven Nightshade wrote:

Actually, the reason I don't think there are any Scorpios in the series is pretty simple. Scorpio is ruled by Pluto, the planet of transformation and change, which is pretty much the central concept of the show. Pluto is the planet of revolution, and revolutions are not beautiful transformations like caterpillars becoming butterflies. Pluto's revolutions are destructive and wide-sweeping, but beneficial in the long term.

Also, I may or may not be constructing natal charts for SKU characters in another browser tab right now. Just saying.

EDIT: Okay, so I decided I'd just stick to their moon signs for now. Moon signs are way easier than ascendants/rising signs because the Moon stays in a sign for 2 1/2 days while ascendants change every 2 hours. If you have a solid birth date, you only have one or two options for a moon sign.

I operate on the assumption that SKU took place in real-time, aka 1997, so I calculated birth years accordingly. We decided in another thread that Ohtori is somewhere in Kanagawa near the coast, so I used that as a birth location.

Utena: Scorpio moon
Anthy: Aquarius moon
Kanae: Libra moon
Akio: Taurus moon
Touga: Gemini moon (I could be persuaded to believe he's a Cancer moon.)
Saionji: Cancer moon
Miki/Kozue: Taurus moon
Juri: Capricorn moon (possible Aquarius moon)
Nanami: Capricorn moon
Wakaba: Leo moon (possible Cancer moon)
Keiko: Aries moon
Ruka: Aries moon
Tsuwabuki: Capricorn moon

Well, you're miscalculating them since the story takes place at 1997. So Utena would have been born 14 years ago, which would be 1983. In fact, someone found the Moon signs on the Utena Wiki page.

Raven Nightshade wrote:

No, I have the dates right.

The problem is that a lot of the characters were born on days where the moon is transitioning from one sign into the other, and we don't know what time anyone was born, so there is a case for Utena being either a Libra moon or a Scorpio moon.  I simply chose which one I thought was the better fit.

Hmm I personally find Libra Moon more fitting for Utena. I mean she kinda has that vanity to go with it, and wants to maintain fairness and peace which is what Libras do by meddling in affairs and doing what they think is right, despite how petty, ridiculous, or innocent that is to others. She kinda has that tactless way of wanting justice for herself and her friends bc she's too naive to figure out that things won't really work like she wants them to. She doesn't seem like a Scorpio Moon to me at all.

Also, time has no effect on the Moon signs. Time only affects the ascendant. Moon signs rely on the date only.

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