Ya, this is pretty crazy.

Lady Chani wrote:

It really doesn't seem all that far-fetched really. It actually rather makes a bit of sense.

That is the acid called Utena, my friend. Almost any thesis will have merit.


This one does make sense. I always thought of Chu Chu eating all the time as symbolism of Anthy truely wishing for people to care for her as an individual (eating up goodies (affection) v. getting penetrated("eaten" in a sense) by swords (hate).

Last edited by Anthiena (06-30-2009 12:25:43 PM)

This idea...actually makes sense, but yeah, it's crazy.  In a good way, of course.  to Sharnii.

Anthiena: I always thought of Chu Chu eating all the time as symbolism of Anthy truely wishing for people to care for her as an individual (eating up goodies (affection) v. getting penetrated("eaten" in a sense) by swords (hate).

Whoa! That's deep. I like it.

Tamago: its just as well that Anthy isn't a secret anorexic, otherwise Chu-Chu would starve to death.

Aw imagine a skinny starving ChuChu. His cuteness would really go downhill...

Alex: I also wonder if she was attracted to Tatsuya, as Chu Chu expressed a great interest in him.  Anthy must have been horny

And she was sitting at that table so innocently too...God, maybe she's horny all the time...
Or maybe she's attracted to the frog? No No! Stop it, stop it!

Lady Nil: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE. emot-mad

I have committed creative/logic atrocities, that you are only adding to... Thank you!

Yes yes, Akio is the frog. I can see it now...
And notice ChuChu looks dejected when he climbs off Akio's table as Anthy is leaving. She looks pretty happy.

Which is interesting that a part of Anthy grieves over leaving her brother behind. (Also backed up by Lady Nil's frog theory tm)

Alex: This is the most awesome thread I've read.

It's certainly fun.

Let's see...can I make the twisted logic work further with the frog...
How about that fight scene between ChuChu and the frog when Saionji and Utena are talking outside the bird cage (about Saionji's childhood friendship with Touga, and how an eternal friendship doesn't exist).

ChuChu throws up at the beginning. Hmm bulimia? Or perhaps eavesdropping-Anthy's true reaction to Saionji's approaching presence? And his foolish laughable hopes toward her and toward eternity?

The frog starts fighting ChuChu at this moment, showing that Akio and Anthy are in an eternal war love/hate relationship with each other - and thus, highlighting that Saionji's desire for that eternal relationship is even more laughable, and pathetic. (The true eternal relationship is actually an eternal passive-aggressive argument).

/sighs contentedly

Ah good times. Abuse of logic. *rubs hands and looks over to see if Akio approves*

There is also this scene in ep. 3:
The Utena Gallery at Empty Movement
Chu-chu is throwing up right after Anthy got Nanami's dress. Perhaps Anthy was disgusted for Nanami's dirty trick?
Just a random thought. Great thread, anyway^_^

This makes a creepy amount of sense. I always wondered what he was for and now I see it... And the fact that he's a mouse may refer to Anthy's timidness, or that her emotions have been cast aside and left to scurry around, trying to keep up with her. But maybe I am over reading this.

Hanayome wrote:

There is also this scene in ep. 3:
The Utena Gallery at Empty Movement
Chu-chu is throwing up right after Anthy got Nanami's dress. Perhaps Anthy was disgusted for Nanami's dirty trick?
Just a random thought. Great thread, anyway^_^

I the gallery. So helpful.

tohubohu: Remember, he's throwing up because he just ate the dessicating materials put into the dress box that were there to keep the dress from getting damp and melting.  Indication that Anthy clearly knows what's being done and is just swallowing the story to behave correctly for Utena?

Wow, tohuboho, you're good at this! That's some hot theory right there.

Miss Bluesky: All I know is that Chuchu certainly appears to enjoy swallowing anything Utena gives him.
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gumi wrote:

But even if we assume that ChuChu represents anthy then why is he dressed as Akio?

Because, for most of the series, Anthy represents Akio.