I've always wanted to see what happens before and after the epilogue for Juri and Shiori.

Shiori on the fencing team with Juri as captain... It's so cute! And no matter how much some people might deny it, that scene implied that their love/friendship is cannon. If it wasn't, they probably would have given us a scene where Juri was somewhere else. Crying at Ruka's grave, or something...

I would have liked to see more things that happend in the past. Nomuro Hall stuff or Dios becoming Akio or Dios before Anthy locked him away, etc. etc.

Yasha wrote:

Every scene they left out of Akio and Touga on the bed. Also all of Anthy and Akio's scenes.

....and that one with Saionji, Akio, and Touga.

Hmm... on a more serious note, had there been deleted scenes of the parents of the characters, I would have liked to see them. Not to mention whatever Wakaba and Saionji acted like around each other the next time they met up.

Bitch took both my answers.

The world would be a better place with an 'after hours' version of SKU. Completely with improved animation quality so they OCCASIONALLY DRAW THE MEN IN PROPORTION.

Rosemary Bats wrote:

ANTHY IS MIKI'S STEPMOM WTF?!

That's my biggest question in the entire series too! Someone explain it to me.

Oh god, the stepmom scene FREAKED me out at first. But it certainly made me realize just how much power Anthy and Akio have. It was like when Akio sent Anthy to be Mamiya for Mikage. I'm thinking he sent Anthy to play the role of Miki's father's new bride so that Miki's father would be more distracted from his family, giving Miki another cause to duel. Kind of. But it confuses me because.. is Miki's father in Ohtori or outside of Ohtori? Because I assume Akio and Anthy's power is limited to Ohtori. Or maybe not? But if Miki's father was in Ohtori, he should be closer by Miki and Kozue..

And yes, I definitely think it is hinted that Juri and Shiori might develop a more healthy relationship at the end. It looks like Juri has freed herself from her unhealthy obsession thanks to Ruka, and that Shiori has learned to become herself but not by hurting Juri.

As for "deleted scenes" I would liked to have seen some flashbacks at how Juri and Ruka acted around each other in the past for contrast. D: There are probably many more things I would like to see, but I'm drawing a blank for now..

Razara wrote:

Dani wrote:

That reminds me of the picture of Shiori and Juri in their fencing outfits with Shiori looking adoringly at Juri (On EM, this picture is in the Gallerie under the Maison du Chu Chu CD-Rom section under Couples). In the Utena Art Book, this picture is on the same page with other Chiho Saito drawings of the other characters that all seem to "take place" after the end of the show, an epilogue sort of. I have often wondered if they were sketched as an intended ending or if Chiho Saito drew them as a hint of what she thought happened to the characters post-show. Most of the Art Book is what I call Utena Porn and is not intended to be canon but that one page makes me wonder since those pics are all together.

I've seen that picture. :3 Since it's based on the epilogue, perhaps it is a hint of what will happen. And yeah, most of the art is practically hentai. My twin sister and I discussed that once.

Razara's Twin: "I mean, honestly, how many animes have hentai as official art?"

Razara: "Hentai and Utena?"

Gosh I know. I get strange looks when it's out on the coffee table.

Razara wrote:

Rosemary Bats wrote:

ANTHY IS MIKI'S STEPMOM WTF?! Who elsesaw that scene, went "what the hell!" and rewound to make sure it actually happened?

Yes, the first time I saw that I did the same thing. I think that it was actually symbolic. Miki sees Anthy as a replacement for his sister, doesn't he? Kozue and Miki look out for each other because they don't have any parents, and so in the sense that Kozue is a replacement for their parents, Anthy is seen by Miki as a replacement for his mother. This is especially emphisized by the fact that Anthy is supposed his "new" mother.

Yeah, that's what I think too, you explained it MUCH better.

Dani wrote:

That reminds me of the picture of Shiori and Juri in their fencing outfits with Shiori looking adoringly at Juri (On EM, this picture is in the Gallerie under the Maison du Chu Chu CD-Rom section under Couples). In the Utena Art Book, this picture is on the same page with other Chiho Saito drawings of the other characters that all seem to "take place" after the end of the show, an epilogue sort of. I have often wondered if they were sketched as an intended ending or if Chiho Saito drew them as a hint of what she thought happened to the characters post-show. Most of the Art Book is what I call Utena Porn and is not intended to be canon but that one page makes me wonder since those pics are all together.

None of the stuff in that artbook looks like Chiho Saito's work to me. Unless she was trying very, very hard to draw in the style of the anime. Is there some reason you think she did those pictures?

As for "deleted scenes"... I've always wondered what the heck led up to Saionji owning Anthy at the beginning of the series. What duels had taken place beforehand? How long had they gone on? The Student Council certainly don't act like Utena's duel is the first - how had the duelling game gone before she arrived on the scene?

You'd think one of the characters would have found reason to mention that kind of thing to Utena at some point.

Well who was the prince of the previous cycle? Was it one of the student council or someone who was 'erased' like Utena is, albeit with a less successful outcome. It's implied Akio has used more than one failed sword to try and regain the power of Dios. Possibly Saionji was the latest in that line, or possibly he was the runner up. (If Anthy had stayed in Ohtori at the end of the series who would she have been given to?)

But I digress.

It would have been nice for Mikage to have a scene after losing to Utena. How badly or how well did he take it? What did he do between then and when he calls Akio?

Xu Yuan wrote:

This is resolved from another essay but I believe he fades into the shadows that he came from either leaving the school. Or simply fading into the nothingness in which (probability) says that Mikage came from. Which is why he's not shown again. Though if Utena was allowed to retain her memories of Mikage I wonder what she would have thought of things. It probably would have hit her hardest when she found out that Akio was Ends of the World. In which Mikage's words would have rung horrifically true.

I don't believe that he faded to nothingness in a physical sense. Mikage was no longer 'Mikage' after the Duel, but Nemuro. 'Mikage' was just the name for the person that arose from that prolonged Black Rose-like state he was in. Akio even referred to him as 'Professor Nemuro' on that final phone conversation. I'd liked to have seen that scene after the duel as well. I think we can see that he was composed enough to give Akio a call asking what to do now, or maybe just to ask for an explanation. Akio is the last connection Nemuro really had to his memories of his real life, after all.

Ivy-chan wrote:

Xu Yuan wrote:

This is resolved from another essay but I believe he fades into the shadows that he came from either leaving the school. Or simply fading into the nothingness in which (probability) says that Mikage came from. Which is why he's not shown again. Though if Utena was allowed to retain her memories of Mikage I wonder what she would have thought of things. It probably would have hit her hardest when she found out that Akio was Ends of the World. In which Mikage's words would have rung horrifically true.

I don't believe that he faded to nothingness in a physical sense. Mikage was no longer 'Mikage' after the Duel, but Nemuro. 'Mikage' was just the name for the person that arose from that prolonged Black Rose-like state he was in. Akio even referred to him as 'Professor Nemuro' on that final phone conversation. I'd liked to have seen that scene after the duel as well. I think we can see that he was composed enough to give Akio a call asking what to do now, or maybe just to ask for an explanation. Akio is the last connection Nemuro really had to his memories of his real life, after all.

Hmm yes, good point. Though wouldn't all those memories about what really happened be crushing? Then again this could solidify Nemuro's feeling's about lust and passion  leads one only to despair, but this time around he has the proof to go along with it.

when i think deleted scene...i rather think of the second ending theme song...-_- they cut off utena and anshi kissing...i found the pic somewhere...forgot where though

More Ruka/Shiori/Juri!
And I'd also like to see where/how Anthy would be reunited with Utena.