This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

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Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

Kill la kill is an anime by Studio Trigger which is composed of former Gainex employers and Hiroyuki Imaishi who directed Gurren Lagann and Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt; he also did key animation in Neon Genesis Evangelion and also did the Character design and Animation direction in FLCL.

Summary of the first episode
Ryūko Matoi, wielder of the one half of the Scissor Blade arives at Honnōji Academy to start her search for the Wielder of the second half of the Scissor Blade who also killed her father.
On her way to the academy, she meets Wakaba I mean Mako Mankanshoku along with Mataro Mankanshoku, her younger brother and street urchin.
Honnōji Academy is a dangerous placed run by a Absurdly powerful School counci that wear is a special kind of uniform that gives them special abilities called the Goku uniform, they to ranged from the powerful 3-star uniform that the Elite four members of the student council to the 1-star uniform that we see during the first 4 minutes of episode 1.
Their are five main members of the Honnōji Academy Student Council:
Satsuki Kiryuin: The council president who rules the school with an Iron Fist
Ira Gamagoori: The Disciplinary Committee Chairmen
Uzu Sanageyama: The Athletic Committee Chairmen
Houka Inumuta: The Information and Strategy Committee Chair
Nonon Jakuzure: The Non-Athletic Committee Chair
After failing to get answer during her first visit and retreating a curb stomp of a battle with Takaharu Fukuroda, boxer and member of the student council; her teacher Aikuro Mikisugi opens a trap door and leads her to the place were she gets/meets Senketsu a talking/living sērāfuku that was awaken when he tasted/dranked Ryuko blood and force her to put him on.
Ryuko Defeats Takaharu The end.

Episode 1 - Impression
I enjoyed this anime personally mainly for it presentation, it really nice after years of anime with Clean art styles and Color Saturation to have a rough art-style, while the animation is hit or miss going between Full rendered animation with actual frames drawn between Key frames to Limited animations with few frames animated; the Character designs with one major exception are great and the Background artwork are well done.
Honnōji Academy like Ohtori Academy in comparison is a really distinctive location that differentiate itself from your average high school to fit into the show's style.
The Episode does a good job at establishing the plot even if the dialogue itself is a mixed bag.
A weird the thing about the show is that it starts with a mini lecture on the rise of Fascism in Germany which depending on how you interpret it ether symbolizes the kind of Student Council Honnōji Academy has or just there to kind of offend the viewer like other the elements of the show that would be considered to be disturbing in some way like how Senketsu forces himself onto Ryuko is Rape-like in how he does it with him stripping her and attaching himself onto her which is the best way I could describe it without lifting some Red Flags which move me onto to Senketsu as a outfit which is the subject of Controversy because of how shameless it is then there's the fact that its a shit character design and feels out of place in a show with fully clothed character and it also really awkward to look at too; here a picture of it:
http://s16.postimg.org/c7c8rxr8h/kill_la_kill_erotic_heroine_seifuku_armor_seventhstyle_001_614x774.jpg
Remove the 2 straps covering both breasts, Make it into more of Leotard like in sailor moon, remove the G-string and Cover more of the breast to show less of the under breast; then it would feel less shameless in how it was design or use the non battle outfit:
http://i.imgur.com/PhJlPZu.png

If I were do comparisons, it has Kill Bill's setup, it shares certain tropes with Utena(An Even more Absurd student council and Wakaba) and has Gurren lagann pacing.

I enjoyed it to say the least despite it's issues, honestly speaking its ridiculous that people are saying that this would save anime heck we are barely passed the first episode can we just wait until that point where the plot starts to develop before we hype it up as one of the best anime since Shoujo Kakumei Utena, ever heard of subtlety and letting a show develop it's plot and character; yes the first episode was good but don't hype up the first episode of a new anime as the anime that will save anime until the show starts to get it's grip.

Rant aside, i'll watch the next 2 or 3 episode when they get subbed to see if they progress the plot or character in any way before I really start to hype it up.

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Edit1: Damn it I forgot to toggle polls off again, can the moderators dispose of the duplicated thread please.
Edit2: I forgot mention that the soundtrack is forgettable at best and I made a mistake with whole Nazisn thing, the real term should of been Fascism.

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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

Here are links to various sites that are simulcasting the anime:

American simulcasts:

Crunchyroll.com:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/kill-la-kill

Daisuki*:
https://www.daisuki.net/movies/seriesdetail/t

Hulu:
http://www.hulu.com/kill-la-kill

Aniplex:
http://aniplexchannel.com/show-page/kill-la-kill

Non-American simulcasts:

Madman entertainment(Australia):
http://www.madman.com.au/videos/view/4103

Wakanim(German and later UK version)
http://www.wakanim.tv/video/J9/1-si-tel … ll-la-kill

Just to help anyone who needs a link to official sources.

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#3 | Back to Top10-06-2013 05:35:47 AM

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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

Just watched the first ep.I like the style, the action scenes are ridiculous and kinda fun to watch. Don't know if it'll be the next Utena, but it has the potential to be a fun series.
The outfit is quite stripperific, though...maybe the power-up thread things will add some armor later on, hopefully.
I like the student council member's designs a lot, especially the president's. Her uniform is awesome and she seems like an interesting character, I just hope she'll be more than a one-dimensional villain. The design of the school is also pretty neat, like an industrial complex/ship wreckage.
The story...I don't know emot-confused. Will have to wait and see...

Overall I think I'll watch the next episode

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#4 | Back to Top10-06-2013 07:56:13 PM

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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

Snow wrote:

Just watched the first ep.I like the style, the action scenes are ridiculous and kinda fun to watch. Don't know if it'll be the next Utena, but it has the potential to be a fun series.
The outfit is quite stripperific, though...maybe the power-up thread things will add some armor later on, hopefully.
I like the student council member's designs a lot, especially the president's. Her uniform is awesome and she seems like an interesting character, I just hope she'll be more than a one-dimensional villain. The design of the school is also pretty neat, like an industrial complex/ship wreckage.
The story...I don't know emot-confused. Will have to wait and see...

Overall I think I'll watch the next episode

Pretty clear from the get-go that they're not aiming to be the next Utena (even with the blatant scenery porn in a lot of the shots). It's got a lot of style elements from Gurren Lagann and FLCL, which isn't surprising, considering that they share a lot of the production staff. The use of huge typesetting in the background and the shading tell me that they're basically going for some kind of motion manga. Much in the way that many anime are adapted from manga, themselves, Kill La Kill is aiming to create a single entity which incorporates both formats, to a degree. If you've seen FLCL, you might know that they've tried this kind of thing before, though there they just popped in comic panels right in the middle of the action. Here, the fusion looks much more seamless.

To be honest, I can't help but compare it to the creators' previous works. It has the insanely fast pace of Dead Leaves and FLCL, the feel of Gurren Lagann, and the shameless fanservice of... well... pretty much everything they've done.

What? I used to be a huge Gainax fanboy back in the day.


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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

I can totally see the Gurren Lagaan and PSG, but most of all FLCL.

That was certainly an explosive first episode, I look forward to see whether it can keep its momentum.

My Tumblr is already full of Ryuko. emot-tongue


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#6 | Back to Top10-07-2013 12:24:32 AM

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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

Flah wrote:

Pretty clear from the get-go that they're not aiming to be the next Utena

Sorry, I didn't really express myself properly with that Utena part. I didn't mean it's stylistically similar to Utena ( because it's, well, obviously not emot-biggrin ), I was just referring to the op's comment about people's huge expectations for this show.

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#7 | Back to Top10-07-2013 10:03:53 AM

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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

For anyone in the UK or Ireland, Kill la Kill is being streamed on All the Anime until the British Wakanim site gets fully set up in what will hopefully only be a few weeks' time.

As for my own opinion of the first episode, I'm not quite sure what to make of it. I like that it's ridiculous and proud of it, and there's something to be said about how the fanservice is over-the-top to the point of parody ("I'm not wearing this because I want to!") but I don't think it's quite to my taste. Still, it's entertaining, and I'll keep on watching it. I'm not expecting anything too deep from it, though then again, maybe it's not the kind of show that wants or needs to be deep in the first place.

There's also the fact that I've never watched Gurren Lagann or FLCL, so maybe I'm losing out on some of the appeal there, too.

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#8 | Back to Top10-07-2013 10:13:24 AM

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The first thing I thought of with this anime was Utena too. The school being a really prominent part of the town, Mako being so similar to Wakaba, the orpan/tomboy main character, and the student council president's family name (Kiryuin and Kiryuu!). But I read somewhere that the name has roots in upper class society so it would make sense if they used that kind of name.

I'm not expecting anything too deep from it, though then again, maybe it's not the kind of show that wants or needs to be deep in the first place.

Yeah it could go either way... Gurren Lagann had some pretty serious themes, and went for the BIG FEELS, while Dead Leaves was just ridiculous. I'm hoping they make it gritty and epic. I'm actually surprised at how they crammed so much into the first episode -- they really just throw you off the deep end.

Does anyone know if it's slated for 12/13 eps or more?

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#9 | Back to Top10-07-2013 10:57:39 AM

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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

Syora wrote:

Does anyone know if it's slated for 12/13 eps or more?

According to Anime News Network, 12.

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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

Episode 2 has just been simulcasted about 1-3 hours ago, I might as well post my impression for the this episode since I just watch it.


Episode 2 - First impressions

Really good when it came to plot development and had a much interesting tennis gimmick for it's student of the week.
Something I did't mention in my Episode 1 review is that this show is really subversive when it comes to it's fan service specify when Senketsu is in it battle form, while other anime character that where these skimpy attire tend to have no sense of shame or decency because the writers tend to ignore this factor that comes out of wearing this kind of Attire especially the people who write anime that is written to sexually pander to the Otaku crowd(Most Ecchi anime), when Ryuko wears this outfit she feel's a sense of shame because of how much skin it reviling and how it was design where as Bayonetta does't give two shits about her attire and she does't question the fact that her outfit is absurdly sexualized.

Aikuro Mikisugi *sign* he had a fairly significant appearance in this episode in a way that is really erotic in tone I mean seriously the erotic posses he pull off are comparable to what Akio could do in Tv Utena, watch the episode and glanced at his fabulous posses, heck he even has a mullet that comparable to Akio's except without the pony tail when hes not wearing his glasses.

This Episode's fight scene is really good and shows off that they intend for each fight to be varied in some way, this episode's fight is a glorified tennis match which is also the first time Ryuko used the device the Aikuro gave him that activates Senketsu battle mode, it also really clever of them to use The scissor blade as a tennis racket because of it's large handle; The match itself is really tense and ends with a cliffhanger at the very end foreshadowing whats going to be kind of a interesting episode next week.

I Can't wait for the next episode.

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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

Very obvious Utena shoutout in ep06, at 9:36 when Ryuuko gets challenged to a duel - by a green-haired Kendo-ka, no less!


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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

WHAT THE HELL AM I WATCHING


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ep12: when the heroine is in danger of losing the plot, a slap (or 100) from the genki sidekick saves the day. emot-biggrin


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#14 | Back to Top12-26-2013 10:51:39 PM

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I've only seen the first 6 episodes so far, and as of ep. 6 Sanageyama is in my top 5 favorite characters of ALL. TIME.

Seriously, I have such a profound amount of respect for this dude that I'm kind of bummed things didn't go his way. What unbelievable shuunen this man has! His pride is literally his only weakness... but even that can't take him down for long.

Spoiler:How does he respond to his first defeat? I WILL FOLLOW YOU FOREVER. Loses to someone else via being thrown off by a blindfold? FUCK VISUAL PERCEPTION, I'D RATHER BE BLIND. PROCEED TO LEARN ULTIMATE TECHNIQUE AND LEVEL THE FUCK UP. Wait, he lost again? WHO CARES!? I'M STILL SO AWESOME, KAMINA CAN SUCK MY DICK.


This guy wins so hard at life, he makes the main character look dull and boring by comparison.


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Has anyone else been keeping up with this? Ep. 16 is so many amazing new things. New OP (with lotsa foreshadowing!) development for Satsuki, including (spoiler)incest and yuri occurring simultaneously, clothes are actually parasitic aliens that triggered evolution artificially, and dat cliffhanger ending!(/spoiler) Also Nui is still the most morally repulsive character I've ever laid eyes on.


Please tell me at least one person here actually likes this show. emot-frown


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http://gifwall.net/gif/gw-throwing-tv-out-window.gif
What the Fuck!?
Imaishi you son of a bitch

I don't how this sceen was green-lighted during the writing process of this episode like people were already uncomfortable with that scene in episode 13 with Ragyo caressing Satsuki in a suggestive but you have give us a scene with Ragyo molesting Satsuki?

Well enjoy the tears from the people watching this episode including me emot-gonk

About the episode itself , aside from scene I mention before, it mostly exposition which is refreshing considering after the mostly action driven episode that came out, most exposition about the Life fibers, Nudist Beach and a minor for Isshin matoi.

Good episode overall thought the Bath scene and some major revaluations might put off some people with the former being a hard scene to watch through considering the context of it and I was't a fan of the life fiber=Aliens reveal ether.

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Is this like Gainax fanservice molesting or Ikuhara creepyasballs molesting? emot-confused


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Sort of a mixture of both. It's framed in a very fanservicey way but the whole thing comes off as a touch disturbing, mainly because of Ragyou's theme music playing during the whole sequence. Without the music, it just looks like a bit of ecchi. With it, it comes across as her establishing dominance over her daughter, in possibly the most uncomfortable (for the audience) way possible.


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Episode 17

Well shit, that's karma for you, if you do something of questionable morality at some point which in this case was molesting your own daughter several times, it will bite you in the ass and not in a nice way, your daughter will back-stab you then throw you onto the crucifix and declare a full rebellion against the corporation that you are currently the CEO of.

Also, change your outfit Ragyo, it looks like a cross between Kefka(Final fantasy VI) and Rita(Power Rangers), choose a outfit that does't make you look like a medieval jester.

What Ragyo going do now that your daughter is Rebelling against your corporation? send a private army of best trained soldiers

Also this Episode has its share of off model shots, people were complaining about the animation in the previous and episode 15 had its share of awful character artwork mainly the close up of Satsuki but the some of shots in this episode do not look that good, are they saving up money for the final episodes like in Gurren Lagann or the opposite in the case of Evangelion.

It nice that they finally giving the show a defined plot after the first 14 episode which with the exception of the natural election mini arc which were mostly episodic in nature. also the conversation between Satsuki and her Butler was well down and made her a bit more sympathetict hought she is still the same fascist dictator that we know and love since the first episode of the show just a bit more sympathetic considering what Ragyo did to her.

Interesting stuff for analyzers

This show has its share of religious symbolism, the question is if these references actually means something in the context of the show but it probably just there to look cool like in the case of Evangelion:

http://i3.minus.com/j9xICleXH6XN2.jpg

Also Here are the translated lyrics for Blumenkranz(Ragyo theme)

I would like to become stronger
Because our world is very cruel
It's a good idea to pull withered flowers

You ask me if I can come with you
You whisper in my ear
You ask me if I'll take your hand
I have no reason to refuse you

You ask me if I can come with you
You whisper in my ear
You ask me if I'll take your hand

You whisper to me

Yes, I am much stronger than I ever thought
Fly higher!
Run much faster!
Don't forget the truth!
Yes, I am much stronger than I ever thought
I pull wilted flowers
How come you look so sad?

The world is cruel.
It is sad but true
This world is strange
It is dubious but true
Is the flower garden true or false?

What do you want from me?
Whether I want to or not, I must pursue the enemy
I am not free from this world

No matter how tough you are
Fly higher!
Run much faster!
You are very strong
You weave a floral wreath
How come you look so sad?

The theme itself was sung in German which in this case would of been hard to translate considering the German is mis-pronounced which is weird considering Gainax was able to do a decent cover of Ode to Joy in Evangelion but Trigger could't hire someone who is flaunt in German to sing this song but then again they hired a Hack music composer(Hiroyuki Sawano) to compose the soundtrack for the show so its technically the composer's responsibly when it comes to the quality of the lyrics.

Edit1: Can someone redo the last animated shot from the Akio car scenes with Ragyo, so Ragyo in this Qutfit:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/87bd5b3cf1330fed23f1af18e7d36802/tumblr_mz5z8rwG8B1rsrflko1_500.png
On the hood of Akio's 1957 corvette thought it would be hard to animate with those feathers so use the Kefka-esque outfit which is much easier to redraw since it's less cluttered in design and more of a tradition dress aside from the ornaments around the head and neck.

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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

I already took the implied teamwork shot of Ryuko/Satsuki in the new OP to mean that she was gonna end up rebelling against her Mother in some way/shape/form, but I'll admit this was sudden. Sooner than I expected, and also a rather grim portrayal of things compared to previous occurrences in the show so far (IIRC, Isshin Matoi's end is the only death we've actually seen before now, and no other instance of combat has actually ended in us knowing someone has died.) This also probably means Nui is gonna be the one both of them end up so angry at that they'll stop fighting eachother, and admittedly I'm reeling in self-satisfaction at the knowledge that that's gonna happen. (I.E I can't wait to see it emot-tongue)


Strange as it may be for me to say this, I feel like the bathhouse scene between them in the previous ep. (and similar such occurrences that must have happened before that) might not even be the primary motivator behind her actions, and at the very least still part of a bigger picture. Sure, you can tell there are years of pent-up aggression being released in Satsuki's brutal attack, but I feel like the junior Kiryuin has more to be angry about than that particular aspect of her circumstances. I get the impression her fury is driven at least equally (if not moreso) by the overall power dynamics that molded their relationship (the physical molestation was but one form of dominance, after all) and that despite having plenty of good reasons to despise Ragyo Kiryuin this step is one she may remember more as a necessary action than a personal statement. Satsuki's true enemy (assuming her lines at the time remain honest) is life-fibers, and in some piece of her mind there may be a rationalization that life-fibers shoulder some variably-defined portion of responsibility for everything that's happened to her. Ragyo herself claimed to be an avatar of the life-fibers, this could easily be taken to the extent that she once had a sense of identity that wasn't such (I.E that of a human) that ended up being lost in this image. With this in mind one could interpret Satsuki's final choice as a mercy killing, one where she may have recognized (or may later end up noticing) a potential for redemption within her target that was given/taken by her own hand. I doubt Satsuki will end up regretting this decision at any point in her life, but it certainly seems like the kind of thing that will at least end up being reflected upon in her memory at some point, and I can't help but feel curious as to what sort of perspective she'll end up with when thinking about it.


Oh, and I hope Mataro's cheapskate success model ends up serving a good purpose. My bet for the next ep. is that while Ryuko (who seems rather upset at witnessing matricide, regardless of the perpetrator's declaration afterwards) and Satsuki go at it for no reason, somebody uses the knife Mikisugi handed to Scar that guy we feel sorry for now that he has a sympathetic backstory (I'm not mocking him, just can't remember his name atm >.>) and cuts the Manshouko family free. Either Mako will get into the arena and happen upon it in the midst of things, or perhaps Mataro himself will get his hands on it. Worst-case he'll at least he'll draw the attention of somebody who can deal with the problem. Anyway, I just hope his cleverness at selling the suit pays off in some way or another. Obviously it'd be pretty tasteless to kill off Mako's parents in this situation so I presume they'll be saved, although hopefully not at the expense of everyone else in the stadium... but in this context I don't think there's room to safely assume anything about the rest of the series, except that we're gonna see some huge reactions in accordance with all the shit that just hit the fan.


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#21 | Back to Top02-09-2014 11:26:13 AM

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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

To be honest, the last couple episodes were pretty much leading up to the betrayal. Plus, the way Satsuki talked about giving Ragyo a warm welcome, it was more than just a daughter reluctantly bowing to her overbearing mother's wishes. I saw it coming, but I didn't expect it to be quite so stabby in nature.

Wait... Does that mean that Satsuki is actually KLK's Anthy analogue? That's assuming that the show is a one-to-one re-imagining of Utena, of course.


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Quick review of Episode 18

While the last episode ended with [Satsuki backstabbing Ragyo], this episode ends on kind of a depressing note, to sum it up:
[It turns out that Ragyo is still alive even and immortal as evident in the scene where she put her decapitated head on her body because Nanomachines Life fibers and also during that scene, the show's equivalent of third impact starts to happen and even when satsuki tried to stop her, Ragyo beats her up and proceads to finger her then while Ryuko was fighting her, Ragyo then rips out her heart and reveals that ryuko is her daughter which confirms that Ryouko was the baby Ragyo experimented on.]

Also the last 2 revaluations was foreshadowed in this episode, watch this fight scene again and if you listen to music at 0:42, you'll find a short instrumental version of Ragyo theme "Blumenkranz"

and watch as your mind explodes, you don't see that kind of foreshadowing in anime these days.

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#23 | Back to Top02-19-2014 09:29:40 PM

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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

I watched like 3 minutes on youtube, I thought it was horrible. I also could easily see why so many people watch it.

Also, this is basically to Utena what Gurren Lagann was to Evangelion. Something that plays with genre tropes and tries to be an antidepressant.

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#24 | Back to Top03-02-2014 05:16:24 PM

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Re: Kill la Kill Discussion Thread(Anime by Studio Trigger)

The first thing this show made me think of was Digital Composition. It's compelling but its nothing new at all. Basically it's an exact stereotype of anime. I always wanted to know what Excel Saga was parodying but that's about it.

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