Err, they didn't mistake him for that boy, I don't think. XD The way he knows Juri is that he was previous fencing captain. Then he became sick and Juri become the new captain. (at least until he was gone)

There are at least two possibilities.
- He knows both of them from way back.
- He was briefed by Akio.
BTW is it possible that the girl he wanted to free was not Juri but Shiori? Juri herself seems unsure.

Suyo wrote:

When Juri 'loses' against Utena with Ruka as her Bride, he goes up to her and tells her everything will be alright.
Where as he just discarded Shiori and made her the laughing stalk of the school.

In the end, he hurt both of them pretty badly. Could there be a reason for this? (Brian gets half a cookie.)

So the boy and Ruka have absolutely nothing to do with eachother?
=_______=

Then what was the point of no-name being there?

I've heard the nameless boy referred to as Ichiro in some fan-circles just to have something to call him other than "the nameless boy." I think giving him a forelock was a mistake because it's led people to confuse him with Ruka - even though he has brown hair and Ruka has blue hair.

I'd say more but the questions have already been addressed. I just feel a connection with him since I got stamped as him in SKU Ratings.

Ooh, good one!

YamPuff wrote:

I'd like to point out he was not the one who made Shiori a laughingstock...she did herself. He dumped her, but she made a public spectacle of herself.

Right. While any break up should ideally be handled in private(which it doesn't look like he did), we have no proof that he was shouting it to the world and purposefully drawing attention to it. The only one drawing attention to them was Shiori.

It's completely possible to keep yourself together being dumped, but for most people it's not likely. He probably picked the location knowing that she wouldn't be able to keep it together and let her make a scene, thus embarassing herself while appearing to be the "smart guy" for breaking it off with the "clingy bitch."

morosemocha wrote:

You think he broke up with her right then and there in the courtyard? Hmmm... I always assumed that Ruka had broken it off somewhere else and that Shiori had followed him, looked for him later that day, or even a few days later, and made that scene.

That's what I always thought -- because although I don't deny that Ruka wanted Shiori to make a scene (as this was obviously the best way to get Juri's attention and/or involvement as surely she wouldn't be able to stand by and watch Shiori get hurt...when Ruka was probably fairly positive Shiori would rebuff any overtures of understanding/friendship on Juri's part at this stage) I suspect he dumped her earlier with the full expectation she'd try to win him back over at a time that would turn it into a spectacle. Personally, I always thought it was a matter of him perhaps dumping her the night before, and then when they came into school the next morning she tried to act like everything was as normal -- i.e. the pair of them coming into school together as they had been shown doing earlier -- and when he quietly rebuffed her, she went hysterical. I don't think it was exactly on purpose on her part, either...I agree that she went overboard. But I do think some part of her was semiu-consciously aware of what she was doing and believed that Ruka wouldn't let it get that far in public, i.e. she hoped he'd cave rather than allow her to make a scene.

But of course that is what he wanted.

...ah, manipulation...the lifeblood of Ohtori.

dollface wrote:

Clarice wrote:

what she was doing and believed that Ruka wouldn't let it get that far in public, i.e. she hoped he'd cave rather than allow her to make a scene.

This would make perfect sense, were the person in question not Shiori. Like I said, she battles internally iwth her jealousy towards Juri, and the very thing that made her steal away the unnamed boy was the thought that Juri was looking down on her. She honestly would never risk her pride intentionally, even for Ruka.

Ah, that's an interesting way of looking at it...and although I do agree with you, actually, I don't think it would prevent Shiori from (unintentionally) having a major freaky meltdown in the middle of the school courtyard. I mean, the way Shiori behaved later towards Juri -- the whole talking-over-the-chain-in-the-door-with-her-hand-firmly-on-the-knob bit -- seems to indicate that yes, the last person Shiori wants to see her in that state is Juri. It would also explain why she's so vicious towards Juri, when Juri was actually only trying to comfort her...because I don't think Shiori remembers at this stage that Juri loves her? Or does she? Ah, crap, I need to start taking Alzheimer's medication. [headdesk]

Still, I don't think Shiori did risk her pride intentionally at all -- I think her reaction to Ruka's break-up was entirely unplanned and she regretted it as much as Ruka probably appreciated it. I find it quite in keeping with her character, but then I have never really been a fan of Shiori, so...I'm probably not all that unbiased, really.

Yeah, it is pretty nameless but it is an actual name - Literally the equivalent of Primus I suppose, but basically the Japanese John Doe.

And I don't think he dumped her in the courtyard exactly, I thought of it as him doing it earlier that day and her coming up to him later - the whole evening before didn't occur to me, but now that you mention it it kinda makes sense.

Oh I feel so stupid, I thought that this 'Ichiro' guy was Ruka... just they decided to change his hair colour later on.

That complicates things even more