This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#1 | Back to Top03-07-2010 02:23:51 PM

Giovanna
Ends of the Fandom
From: Edmonton, AB
Registered: 10-12-2006
Posts: 8797
Website

An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

I have had literally, comedically, zero time whatsoever to so much as wipe my ass lately, nevermind work on EM. I can't apologize for that--that's the nature of the educational toilet I'm in right now. But it won't always be that way, and I know in the pauses in my life, I always feel tempted to come back to my humble little website. The problem is my ideas and hopes for it, as they always have, rather outrun my time to spend making them happen, so my priorities get a little befuddled and I end up not knowing where to begin.

So basically, on the assumption that some time in the next year (emot-mad emot-mad emot-mad) I work on the site...what should I do with it? I know what I want to do with it, but I honestly don't know if anyone even gives a shit about the main site anymore, nevermind what people want to see or not on it. emot-keke So here's a sort of breakdown of the thoughts I've had about it, in the order I prioritize them. How do you?

1. I never really finished the Akio shrine to my satisfaction; there's a section on the car and projector and probably the camera that I want to add, titled 'machines'. I prioritize this 1. because I already changed the layout to show the section, 2. it's new content, and 3. I'm a whore. The danger here is that touching the Akio shrine brings up an old demon where I'm never ever satisfied with the layout. Someone just tell me to leave the fucking layout alone. I could build ten Akio shrines worth of content in the time I'll spend making yet another layout I swear doesn't do him justice. emot-rolleyes

2. A new section of the site devoted to the video game. Meaning: permanent hosting of the files needed to play it (YES THAT'S RIGHT) with me rudely stealing all available information, including the FAQ and everything else, especially if I can get permission. Obviously very little of the content would be of my making, but it's valuable stuff and obviously there's demand for it, and that would offer a centralized location.

3. The three missing DVD covers need to be added to the gallery. I need to clean them up first to do this. Part of my hesitation there is that I feel they don't compare in quality to the first three so I'm being lazy. Why'd the artist suddenly get fucking Parkinson's when it was time to draw the characters I like? emot-mad

4. I coded a sort of cheat sheet for the release of the new DVDs; I feel like I should expand that into something a little like the Audiology page to basically cover the American and Japanese release histories of the series with a no doubt permanently incomplete collection of merchandise information to be added to as we think of it and find stuff.

5. More vector traces. This isn't really a single attempt to do anything but more frequently a consequence of me making layouts, so it's not something I'll aim to do so much as end up doing.

6. Some sort of essay or compilation or something or other using the content I wrote about ten trillion years back in the miles long body language thread where I picked apart specific shots.

7. Overhauling the fandom section to reflect the use of wordpress like I did in multimedia to make it more navigable and easier to find character-based content as people would want to look for it. I almost feel like doing this is kinda moot since the content isn't new, and frankly most anyone's already familiar with it if they ever cared, and it would be a lot of work on my part.

8. You'd never really grok based on my site except for the gallery that there's more than the series. Frankly, the site's for the series, but I almost feel like I should at least provide an information page about the movie and manga and such, but this would probably blend into whatever I'd build about the release history.

One thing not on the list because I really really wanna do it but I'm not even sure how or when or why is the Ultra Secret New Site That I Will Only Say Relates To Saionji And Is Not A 'Shrine' Per Say. Basically, if you like Saionji at all...you want me to do this, right? school-freud Anyway guys, I'd really appreciate some feedback, honestly. If you feel like 'hay fuck the site it's fine the way it is' say so. If you'd like to see any of this stuff, say that instead. emot-keke I'm honestly past the point in my website career, so to speak, where my interests can function as the only motivator for me to do it. It's a small fandom these days, and worth catering a little to.

Just don't ask me for a Juri shrine. You want that, you build it yourself! (And if it's rockin', I'll host it.)


Akio, you have nice turns of phrase, but your points aren't clear and you have no textual support. I can't give this a passing grade.
~ Professor Arisa Konno, Eng 1001 (Freshman Literature and Composition)

Offline

 

#2 | Back to Top03-07-2010 04:05:46 PM

Ragnarok
Caption Captor
From: Canada
Registered: 10-20-2006
Posts: 4472
Website

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

Personally I'm most interested in the body language potential essay.

And also the three DVD covers, or at least the one with Nanami and her gang!

And a section on the game would be great too.

(But you know, it's fine as it is so no rush!)


http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r9/RagnarokIII/spyschool.jpg

Offline

 

#3 | Back to Top03-07-2010 04:11:08 PM

OnlyInThisLight
KING OF ALL DUCKS
Registered: 01-15-2008
Posts: 4412

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

1) The layout is fine; but do finish those sections, because it's Akio.  And everyone, including me, is a whore for Akio.
2) This would be amazing!  I would definitely ab- I mean, use the crap out of it.  And there are already a few forum members who are savvy with the game mechanics who would be able to help.  Perhaps it could have its own analysis section? -Or game analysis could go in the main analysis section, but ya'know-.
3) No one will blame you for the poor artist's quality, you can put them up and then make a note to 'fix them up' later.
4)  Sounds cool; but exhaustive. 
7) This would be awesome, but for the amount of effort it would take, you would want to be guaranteed that you would get some fresh blood into the fandom section -hey, if you do decide to do this, I'll be the first to try and whip up a few new pieces that are less disturbing than my previous entries.  Promise. 

Overall, I think the best bet for your time is to finish up/perfect old projects before starting new ones, otherwise you are going to bog yourself down. :C

OR MAKE SAIONJI THING.

LOTS OF IT.

Also, consider this just a suggestion, but would ever consider putting up a section for the site dedicated to short, introductory character profiles with pictures for all of the SKU characters?  That way those who aren't familiar with SKU or are new to it and have something of a bit of problem understanding a certain character would have a neato place to catch-up or inform. 


Like, because.  The first time I watched the series I COMPLETELY misunderstood Shiori, Nanami and Ruka, and I'm not afraid to say it.  Ok I am please don't scorn and shun me.  :<

Offline

 

#4 | Back to Top03-07-2010 06:09:38 PM

minervana
High Tripper
Registered: 10-10-2009
Posts: 246

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

I'm sorry to hear about your lack of time Gio emot-frown

Giovanna wrote:

Someone just tell me to leave the fucking layout alone.

Leave the layout alone. It looks fine. emot-keke

OiTL wrote:

Also, consider this just a suggestion, but would ever consider putting up a section for the site dedicated to short, introductory character profiles with pictures for all of the SKU characters?  That way those who aren't familiar with SKU or are new to it and have something of a bit of problem understanding a certain character would have a neato place to catch-up or inform.

I agree with this comment. Some charts would be nice too. (I'll make them if you'd like)

My $0.02: I would like to see an RSS feed for the Analysis and Fandom sections, so I can know when new content is added. It wouldn't have to be extravagant, just an update with a link to the new content (and perhaps a one sentence description, or the first sentence of the essay) would be enough. Does that relate to #7?

Offline

 

#5 | Back to Top03-08-2010 01:39:26 AM

sharnii
Pharaoh of Phanstuff
From: Melbourne Australia
Registered: 08-10-2008
Posts: 2416
Website

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

I love Empty Movement and visit it quite a lot, especially the scripts, fanfic, and analysis sections. etc-love And I think the layout/design is fine.

And as for possible changes, I think the fanfic section should be added to and possibly revamped to be more searchable. But than again I'm a fanfic addict/fan and I know that you're not as into that as some of the other other fan stuff, Gio.

Another cool idea could be a short guide to Japanese honorifics (and how they're used in Utena).

And I definitely support minervana's excellent RSS feed suggestion. That would be droolworthy.

Last edited by sharnii (03-08-2010 01:39:49 AM)

Offline

 

#6 | Back to Top03-08-2010 01:43:30 AM

KissFromARose
Thorn of Death
From: Austin, Tx
Registered: 09-29-2008
Posts: 507

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

I am a web developer/programmer willing to assist when i can emot-smile

The video game is a must; i had a heck heck heck heck of a time getting it to run and it took lots of work; so if we had a step by step guide; that'd be wicked. I can provide screenshots as well as the information to get it to load. ( I don't want to seem like i'm dying to get into the FTP or anything; i've just always beleived that if you offer ideas you better be ready to support them and do it yourself)

DVD covers, i say is a must for a complete website; once again, i am capable.

Juri shrine: [brood] /end.

IMHO emot-smile

Offline

 

#7 | Back to Top03-08-2010 05:03:59 AM

Arki
Dark Whisperer
From: Croatia
Registered: 10-28-2006
Posts: 1123

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

I vote for DVD covers first. I know image clean-up can be a pain in the ass, especially after a whole overhauled and awesome gallery behind you, but it does kind of seem like the thing you'd be quickest to finish out of all the other options.

My second pick would be the video game section with a little bit of yummy secret project on the side. emot-keke

Oh! And your layouts are awesome. No touchy. Though, actually... That puts an idea in my head, in case you still have old layouts you've since replaced with new ones. I don't know about everybody else, but I've always been kind of curious to see a collection of those. Of how EM and its sections have evolved through the years... Is that possible? Or actually desired?

Offline

 

#8 | Back to Top03-09-2010 12:03:38 AM

BlackRoseVixen
Snowdrop Lover
From: USA, Arkansas
Registered: 12-24-2007
Posts: 1815
Website

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

MAKE. SAIONJI. SITE.

I. BEG. YOU.

emot-gonk

That is all.

Oh!

I also endorse the idea about a section for the video game. emot-keke


The Saionji Support Squad: Believing in True Friendship Since 2006.

Hat Mafia Member: The Vixen

Offline

 

#9 | Back to Top03-09-2010 08:37:27 PM

lazypirates
Anthy Assailer
From: Minneapolis
Registered: 02-24-2008
Posts: 77

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

Honestly, I think everything listed here sounds wonderful, and I have very little preference. I am also perfectly happy to wait patiently for updates--don't stress about having to wait!

I mostly wanted to pop in to tell you that I DEFINITELY "give a shit" about the main site. As in, I adore it. etc-love I think it's wonderful, and I don't want you to doubt that, so I had to tell you how much I love it and how many hours of my life I have spent there. The analysis and Fanart sections are woooooooonderful, and I can't tell you how much I love having the gallery and scripts to enhance my watching, and the Audiology section to enhance my listening.

Basically, it's glorious. I would throw my 2 cents in to say that the game section sounds extra amazing. And I too have an unhealthy amount of love for Saionji.

Offline

 

#10 | Back to Top03-09-2010 09:24:35 PM

Riri-kins
World's End
From: Cloud Nine
Registered: 09-22-2008
Posts: 2354

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

I come to the site for the gallery, the analyses, and the fan works, so I would love to see the new DVD covers and permanent space for the video game more than anything. You don't have to make a whole shrine to it, but I would love to have a little guide or something.

  Oh, and I agree that RSS feeds for analysis and/or fandom section updates sound great. emot-smile

Giovanna wrote:

One thing not on the list because I really really wanna do it but I'm not even sure how or when or why is the Ultra Secret New Site That I Will Only Say Relates To Saionji And Is Not A 'Shrine' Per Say. Basically, if you like Saionji at all...you want me to do this, right? school-freud

Excuse me while I have a cow in the corner, Gio. *squeals*


Proud Saionji and Mikage fangirl
My Utena fanfiction: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2000115/Riri-kins

Offline

 

#11 | Back to Top03-10-2010 01:48:44 AM

SexingTouga24/7/365
is on a BOAT!
Registered: 12-10-2006
Posts: 2267

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

1. Add the additional information about the car you don't have to change the layout. Leave it alone.

2. would rock and seems kinda less intensive so including it would be a good idea.

3. hummmmmmmmmm.... if you have to Put the DVD covers up for completion then do so; say that the crappiness is due to the original artist.

4. Section would rock please add.

6.  Yes please.

7. It is fine the way it is. Quite frankly, unless you get a lot of new content that warrants it or are fucking tired of looking at it; leave it alone.


"If all the world is a stage and all the people players"...then I demand a less shitty part or the ability to get off of the stage. Slowly my sanity slides, slipping, swirling, spiraling...Save Me I need Sleep...Shattering Soon. school-devil "RukaxTouga equals the Fourth of July" MY patriotic celebration...FUCK ME TOUGA AND RUKA NOW!! etc-wankgirl etc-wankdude

Offline

 

#12 | Back to Top03-10-2010 08:32:24 AM

BalamiyaVardihi
High Tripper
From: New Jersey
Registered: 12-16-2007
Posts: 243

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

Giovanna, you take this site down the apocalypse will commence.


Twirling round with this familiar parabol
Spinning, weaving round each new experience.
Recognize this as a holy gift and
Celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing

Offline

 

#13 | Back to Top03-10-2010 06:24:29 PM

Katieryn
Rose Smilee
From: Not-the-City, NY
Registered: 12-08-2009
Posts: 139

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

Oh lord, I can't decide...I'd say either game information or SuperSecretAwesomeSaionjiProject, but all of these things sound frankly awesome and I would be perfectly willing to wait patiently for whatever you produce.

Seriously, I fucking love this site.


"If Utena was a novel, you'd be studying it in college." -- EM site info

We're patient for now, and we're patient for tomorrow, when the past will redeem all the toil extreme and all the sorrow.

Offline

 

#14 | Back to Top03-10-2010 07:14:28 PM

OnlyInThisLight
KING OF ALL DUCKS
Registered: 01-15-2008
Posts: 4412

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

*Whistles nonchalantly*  I for one would be willing to do most anything to help contribute to a Saionji-whatsit.  *whistles*


Also.  Have you considered a separate fanfic section for the Akio-shrine?  This also I would approve of/ hump screen over.

Offline

 

#15 | Back to Top03-12-2010 06:37:26 AM

Dallbun
Tour Guide to Crawling Chaos
Registered: 10-19-2006
Posts: 719

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

A game shrine sounds useful, especially since both of the English-language guides that are online right now have mistakes and/or gaps. I found a good Japanese site a while back whose choice-chart seemed pretty thorough... or alternately, didn't there used to be scans of the game's Japanese strategy guide floating around?

Offline

 

#16 | Back to Top03-13-2010 10:58:48 AM

Emiemipoemi
Troublesome Insect
Registered: 12-10-2006
Posts: 649

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

Giovanna wrote:

6. Some sort of essay or compilation or something or other using the content I wrote about ten trillion years back in the miles long body language thread where I picked apart specific shots.

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

Offline

 

#17 | Back to Top03-13-2010 11:05:24 AM

Syora
Presidential Accoster
From: Under Northern Lights
Registered: 06-07-2009
Posts: 1866

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

I would LOOOOOVE a game section!! It sounds amazing! I would be free to help out with the section as well, like testing or writing a help section.

Offline

 

#18 | Back to Top03-13-2010 12:15:42 PM

SleepDebtFairy
Revolutionary
From: Washington DC
Registered: 10-16-2006
Posts: 2096
Website

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

A lot of these things sound like great additions to Empty Movement. (: But pace yourself too! I honestly don't care how long the updates take (well, I do, but I understand why..) as long as the site is still there! I think it would be cool to have a new layout though, even though I LOVE the current one the best.. for some reason I just associate new layout with new update, I guess. emot-tongue But swords of hatred Anthy is my favorite image eva so I can't complain.

I'm also adding my enthusiasm for a Video game section. That would be SO awesome for the site! And I'm curious about the Saionji-but-not-a-shrine-per-se thing.

I actually really like the Akio shrine layout. etc-love Its so mysterious. I think a "Machines" section would be really interesting too.

Offline

 

#19 | Back to Top03-14-2010 12:45:04 AM

Giovanna
Ends of the Fandom
From: Edmonton, AB
Registered: 10-12-2006
Posts: 8797
Website

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

I bow to the unrelenting demand of the Roman horde. poptart The three DVD covers are up in the gallery.

Got sick of working on my care plan. emot-mad

81 pages of text.

Not done yet. As for the Saionji thing, pretty sure it's gonna happen, as will the game. But projects like that won't get rolling until summer break I think. emot-frown

BalamiyaVardihi wrote:

Giovanna, you take this site down the apocalypse will commence.

Given I just spent 200bux to keep the domain through to 2014, I don't see the site coming down. emot-smile


Akio, you have nice turns of phrase, but your points aren't clear and you have no textual support. I can't give this a passing grade.
~ Professor Arisa Konno, Eng 1001 (Freshman Literature and Composition)

Offline

 

#20 | Back to Top03-14-2010 08:41:31 AM

SleepDebtFairy
Revolutionary
From: Washington DC
Registered: 10-16-2006
Posts: 2096
Website

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

AHHHH The Akio/Anthy/Utena DVD cover is sexy. etc-love etc-love etc-love I need to make wallpapers out of these.. etc-love etc-love

Offline

 

#21 | Back to Top03-14-2010 01:51:35 PM

Ragnarok
Caption Captor
From: Canada
Registered: 10-20-2006
Posts: 4472
Website

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

Thank you, Gio! etc-love


http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r9/RagnarokIII/spyschool.jpg

Offline

 

#22 | Back to Top03-14-2010 04:34:24 PM

Zekkass
Wakaba Wrangler
From: New York, USA
Registered: 11-15-2008
Posts: 19
Website

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

Anything you do is awesome, really. I'm partial to video game section, more essays and vector traces, but really, anything and everything you do would be great. emot-dance

Offline

 

#23 | Back to Top03-14-2010 06:15:24 PM

Giovanna
Ends of the Fandom
From: Edmonton, AB
Registered: 10-12-2006
Posts: 8797
Website

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

Ragnarok wrote:

Thank you, Gio! etc-love

emot-dance

The Nanami one is my favorite out of the batch. The first three, well...the Juri one and the Miki one, did a great job of portraying the character relationship dynamics. The Utena and Anthy one a little less so, but it still looked almost like Anthy was hesitant to be there...so it worked.

The Touga and Saionji one makes them...well look like poofsters. But you could say Akio (or his car) came between them and probably be right in a couple different ways. school-freud

The Akio, Anthy, and Utena one doesn't say anything really except FIGHT! ROUND 1! Oh wait, it also says that apparently Akio and Utena are just about the same height because she's only slightly shorter and it's because her knees are bent under the dress. emot-mad

I really am a little bitter about that. So much you can do with Akio, especially if Anthy's in the shot, and they went with generic 'hay you know they duel at the end right' emot-mad


Akio, you have nice turns of phrase, but your points aren't clear and you have no textual support. I can't give this a passing grade.
~ Professor Arisa Konno, Eng 1001 (Freshman Literature and Composition)

Offline

 

#24 | Back to Top03-14-2010 09:39:28 PM

Riri-kins
World's End
From: Cloud Nine
Registered: 09-22-2008
Posts: 2354

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

OH SWEET LORD! I am ridiculously happy that you put the cover with Touga and Saionji in the couples section, Giovanna! emot-dance *squeals*


Proud Saionji and Mikage fangirl
My Utena fanfiction: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2000115/Riri-kins

Offline

 

#25 | Back to Top03-14-2010 10:02:46 PM

SexingTouga24/7/365
is on a BOAT!
Registered: 12-10-2006
Posts: 2267

Re: An honest inquiry about the fate of Empty Movement: Advice plz!

Dittio and thanks for taking the time to do that...I have to go appreciate our new art...etc-wankgirl etc-wankdude


"If all the world is a stage and all the people players"...then I demand a less shitty part or the ability to get off of the stage. Slowly my sanity slides, slipping, swirling, spiraling...Save Me I need Sleep...Shattering Soon. school-devil "RukaxTouga equals the Fourth of July" MY patriotic celebration...FUCK ME TOUGA AND RUKA NOW!! etc-wankgirl etc-wankdude

Offline

 

Board footer

Powered by PunBB 1.2.23
© Copyright 2002–2008 PunBB
Forum styled and maintained by Giovanna and Yasha
Return to Empty Movement