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#1 | Back to Top02-07-2015 12:58:09 AM

Arale
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Mari Hozumi.

Guys I completely 100 percent forgot this person existed. Like seriously completely I... I just barely remembered after finally being reminded. I really should have taken more notes when I first watched SKU ;-;

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Now if it weren't for the circumstances of which I'm posting this I would go and find all her appearances or something and like analyze her character but I just found it really surreal how I totally forgot all about her until now. She has purple hair, which is pretty odd because all of the important characters have colored hair. But she's, like, the exact opposite of important. I wonder if she was planned to be more important or just somebody a writer came up with on the spot?

I don't know I'm just kind of freaking out is all and decided she was So Cool just for being obscure that she needed her own thread right now for some reason

This is unprofessional but look, Mari Hozumi

Were there any other very-obscure characters that don't really get much attention from the fanbase? The only ones I can think of (in the show, anyway) are those three weird tall guys (do they even have names?yes, they do, i have learned) as well as a few staff members, but there's a thread about them somewhere so I've already been reminded of their existence.

A large part about how I think about a work isn't going back through it again, but rather reading more experienced peoples analyses, and then if I come up with my own ideas after that, I go find the specific parts I'm thinking of. For this reason, the parts I read about again get solidified in my memory of the show - if there's a character, plot point, location, event, etc. that nobody talks about, I'm extremely likely to forget all about them/it. Is this merely just a personal observation, or does anybody else feel this way about fiction?

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#2 | Back to Top02-07-2015 08:47:28 AM

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Re: Mari Hozumi.

Oh snap, she has a last name?  Yay trivia!

I rarely forget about Mari, but that's because she fits into Tsuwabuki's arc in a way that seems very natural and important to me.  She is to Tsuwabuki what Tatsuya is to Wakaba, basically -- devices to draw out the main-er character, and almost backup Black Rose duelists themselves.  Unless I'm misreading Mari, she has a crush on Tsuwabuki (that he's completely oblivious to), which is why she badmouths Nanami to him and ends up talking with him about relationships and adulthood.  Which in turn influences what he does and how we see him.  Tsuwabuki's episode would be a lot poorer without Mari.

If I had to guess, though, she was designed to matter for one episode and then get tossed to the side.  SKU is a show about adolescence, and elementary schoolers sit uncomfortably there.  So do adults like Mrs. Ohtori, whose role is about the same size as Mari's.  So do people like Tatsuya who lack the will to power.  As you said, Yamada and Tanaka and Suzuki (and for that matter Aiko and Yuuko) are easy to forget about too, even though they appear in multiple episodes, because they lack development.  I know a lot less about Yamada than I do about Mari.  And of course there's the man in the tan jacket with the deerskin suitcase.  Some people don't remember him at all.  Actually, I'm not sure he even exists.

A large part about how I think about a work isn't going back through it again, but rather reading more experienced peoples analyses, and then if I come up with my own ideas after that, I go find the specific parts I'm thinking of. For this reason, the parts I read about again get solidified in my memory of the show - if there's a character, plot point, location, event, etc. that nobody talks about, I'm extremely likely to forget all about them/it. Is this merely just a personal observation, or does anybody else feel this way about fiction?

I'm the same way about fiction, in some ways.  Mostly not SKU, because the show has had such a large and continuing influence on my life, but if you asked me to summarize even my favorite works of fiction... let's say, The Golden Compass... that I haven't read for a while and haven't talked about with anyone, the best I could do would be to give you an okay synopsis.  I'm certain there are important scenes and maybe even important characters that I've forgotten about completely.  If I talked about that book regularly, or read other people's discussion of it, I'd have a better memory not only of the skeleton of its plot, but the details, the viscera.  I'm not sure whether that's just because talking and reading about a work keeps it fresh, or whether there's something intrinsic about interacting socially around a work that fixes it in memory.

Tangent.  Shakespeare's most famous sonnet ("Shall I Compare Thee to a Summer's Day?") ends, "So long as men can breathe or eyes can see, / So long lives this, and this gives life to thee."  A lot of his sonnets touch on that idea: an enduring work of literature makes its subject immortal.  But no one knows the name of the person Shakespeare was writing about.  We only remember he existed (we are pretty sure it was a he) because he was related to someone more important.  And most of us don't even really remember the sonnet, though we might remember talking about it in English class.  Memory can be so contextual.  Can you really say that the sonnet still gives life to its subject?  And yet, if we forget it, isn't there a sense in which the subject really is gone for good?  What is eternity?

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#3 | Back to Top02-07-2015 11:14:44 AM

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Re: Mari Hozumi.

I liked Mari. I imagined she wouldn't be scared of Nanami if she ever met her. My personal canon about her was that she was Shiori's favored little sister.


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#4 | Back to Top02-24-2015 02:59:50 AM

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Re: Mari Hozumi.

Riri-kins wrote:

I liked Mari. I imagined she wouldn't be scared of Nanami if she ever met her. My personal canon about her was that she was Shiori's favored little sister.

I always thought they were cousin since they looks similar but don't have the same last name.

Anyway, I really likes Mari and that's really sad she only appear in one episode. I would paid to see an episode where her and Nanami interact. That would be entertaining. emot-rofl


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#5 | Back to Top03-07-2015 09:26:44 AM

Riri-kins
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Re: Mari Hozumi.

By the way, when is her last name stated? I don't think I ever heard it in the anime.


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