This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#26 | Back to Top12-21-2009 04:14:45 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

No, they changed her pincushion sequence.

I do enjoy that they were kind enough to tell us the episode number of each one though. I mean, I only knew the important ones. I find it odd they call each one a duel though.


And the songs are kinda remastered or whatever too, but it kinda just sounds more like someone fucked with your stereo equalizer or something instead of like... actually doing anything.

There are also a few still shots they changed, like after Shiori looks up at Ruka after his duel she looks more sad instead of OMG SHOCK! which I actually do have a picture of this time.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/leeness/004-3.png

That entire episode was done horribly. So, they decided to change HER FACE. I can only assume they felt the original was VERY WRONG from the way they felt Shiori rolled or something, cause I mean, of EVERYTHING, they needed to change that face.


[edit] god dammit why won't you show that picture *kicks*
[edit edit] THERE

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#27 | Back to Top12-21-2009 06:02:01 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

http://www.ohtori.nu/galerie/d/11908-1/Series_ep28_228.jpg

Comparison. Yeah, they narrowed her eyes a bit.

I bet Touga still looks like a fucktard in his last duel episode. I haven't had the heart to watch.


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#28 | Back to Top12-21-2009 06:06:10 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

Giovanna wrote:

PS. Satyr: Yes yes, I know, we're analysis-whores. Which is like being anal whores with less lube. Honestly I'm not reading into the hand so much as pointing out that that's the first change Yasha and I noticed. Goes to show where our attentions are.

I wasn't being sarcastic emot-frown  Sorry I came across that way!

Are those two pics of Shiori really the same shot?  I can't tell for sure from the discussion which one is the remastered version, but if they're the same shot then someone digitally edited in or out part of a broken windshield at top right of the frame.

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#29 | Back to Top12-21-2009 06:24:40 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

In that case, we totally agree. emot-redface

Also I believe that's a zooming shot, the cel doesn't change but you don't see the windshield because I took the cap later in the sequence. I would check to be sure but I only watch episodes with lots of Akio, Touga, or Saionji in them. school-eng101

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** We're too poor for Touga food. emot-frown***

*** No decent Saionji anywhere in this city. emot-gonk


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#30 | Back to Top12-21-2009 06:28:05 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

God dammit. Yasha also wants me to say something about Crash the movie in this thread as there is a car crash being discussed. If you've never seen Crash, it's about people who get turned on by car crashes and car crash victims. You know, the sort of people that would drive a convertible through windows, walls, into living rooms, into fountains, and over Juri.

Wait.


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#31 | Back to Top12-21-2009 07:01:38 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

Giovanna wrote:

You know, the sort of people that would drive a convertible over Juri.

emot-gonk

I've seen Crash. Cronenberg is the absolute shizznit.

And it is so not about people who would run Juri down. emot-frown

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#32 | Back to Top12-21-2009 10:09:07 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

allegoriest wrote:

Also, in Wakaba's duel, they made Utena say Himemiya, where she previously said Anthy, and that one really bothered me alot. So I'm glad they changed that.

But we had a whole thread about that! emot-mad


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#33 | Back to Top12-21-2009 11:06:04 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

Ragnarok wrote:

allegoriest wrote:

Also, in Wakaba's duel, they made Utena say Himemiya, where she previously said Anthy, and that one really bothered me alot. So I'm glad they changed that.

But we had a whole thread about that! emot-mad

Clearly, they found that thread displeasing.

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#34 | Back to Top12-22-2009 01:05:42 AM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

Ya well we're not 'remastering' the threads just to make them happy. emot-mademot-mad


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#35 | Back to Top12-22-2009 01:18:06 AM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

What, you don't want an EXTREME fap fap shlick shlick .wav playing on every page. With an OMG LOUD beating heart for every less than three? Maybe a GAAAAAAAAAAAAH for each GONK.

Then we can totally disregard remastering that thread, since they didn't do IMPORTANT things, like making shots of Touga in his last key episode not suck. I think it would be even.

We can also make a few smlies shinier, and give the ones enjoying themselves a new font. ...and add one more frame to the gaping mouth smilie and very slightly change the board font to something near identical.


Then our remaster will be appropriate.


(Seriously though, don't do that. emot-gonk )


[edit:] You know, the more I think about it, I think Ikuhara did they entire thing himself. Then made that CD all, dude, I just spent a year playing with SFX. I can totally handle this. This has to be what happened.

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#36 | Back to Top12-24-2009 07:46:15 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

Regarding the forum being remastered...if someone has that much time to waste copying then reformatting one older threads it would be very funny or disturbing. Hell those two ideas need not be mutually exclusive. As for more special edits every time you type a main cast members name it turns in to a certain corresponding color/effect. For example DIOS would be in twinkling, flashing, sparkles.  emot-wink



Giovanna wrote:

In that case, we totally agree. emot-redface

Also I believe that's a zooming shot, the cel doesn't change but you don't see the windshield because I took the cap later in the sequence. I would check to be sure but I only watch episodes with lots of Akio, Touga, or Saionji in them. school-eng101

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* Akio is totally buffet food. Cheap, excessive, makes you sick to your stomach but good luck getting away.**

** We're too poor for Touga food. emot-frown***

*** No decent Saionji anywhere in this city. emot-gonk

So, if I am guessing Akio=Indian, Touga=French???,  Saionji=Traditional Japanese????


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#37 | Back to Top07-02-2010 06:11:56 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

Necro'd because, after reading this whole thing, I'm really surprised they never changed the animation fail towards the end of the series.

Or did they?

I dunno, I never saw the remaster.

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#38 | Back to Top07-02-2010 06:44:26 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

There certainly was animation fail towards the end of the series, but everyone seems to talk like it was only at the end of the series. I would like to refute this. There are much earlier episodes that could have used some touching-up.

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Student_Council_Arc/03/Series_ep03_115.jpg?m=1380826049
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#39 | Back to Top07-02-2010 07:27:58 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

^That shot of Touga always bothered the hell out of me. It's just so... ugh.


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#40 | Back to Top07-02-2010 07:52:02 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

Dallbun wrote:

more animation fail

Oh yeah, I definitely recognize those and more moments earlier in the series as totally worth a retouching, I just feel like it's more easily noticeable towards the end, where almost everything had lacking animation and not just a few  frames. 

Thanks for clearing that up though.  emot-biggrin

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#41 | Back to Top07-02-2010 08:14:59 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

allegoriest wrote:

Anthy found a rather notable change in episode 39. emot-frown
Poor Anthy. I'll bring bandaids.

I don't think I ever screencapped it though, and I don't have them on me right now, so, you'll just see when you get there.

I made a whole list of changes and stuff, but I have no idea where I put it...

I cringe badly when watching the remastered scene. emot-frown I could try screencapping it real quick since I have the episodes on this current laptop. Get your tissues folks, it's even worse than the original cut. emot-frown

ETA: This is obviously for those that have not downloaded the remastered version, I just realized I'm replying to an older topic so I kind of look like a jerk but I did screencap the scene in question. I cut it up a bit (no very mean pun intended emot-frown) cause it would take over 20 screenshots to cover the whole scene, so I just kept the ones with the most swords. Most obvious difference is, this scene is now full screen:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/calamityx51/Anthy15.png
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/calamityx51/Anthy14.png
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/calamityx51/Anthy12.png
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/calamityx51/Anthy11.png
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/calamityx51/Anthy8.png
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/calamityx51/Anthy7.png
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Sorry for the picspam guys. If you want me to cut down the images I'll go back and choose from my album a lesser amount.

Heartbreaking. emot-frown

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#42 | Back to Top07-02-2010 08:46:41 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

Calamity wrote:

allegoriest wrote:

Anthy found a rather notable change in episode 39. emot-frown
Poor Anthy. I'll bring bandaids.

I don't think I ever screencapped it though, and I don't have them on me right now, so, you'll just see when you get there.

I made a whole list of changes and stuff, but I have no idea where I put it...

I cringe badly when watching the remastered scene. emot-frown I could try screencapping it real quick since I have the episodes on this current laptop. Get your tissues folks, it's even worse than the original cut. emot-frown

Please do so D:

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#43 | Back to Top07-02-2010 08:47:36 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

Done, I edited my post just for you bb. cool

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#44 | Back to Top07-02-2010 08:55:07 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

yaaay!  etc-love

also, the scene is much more frightening.  You guys were right.  emot-gonk

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#45 | Back to Top07-02-2010 10:17:06 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

The animation in that scene is what really adds to the disturbing nature. The twitching and thrusts were very detailed.


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#46 | Back to Top07-02-2010 10:47:03 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

Or, you can watch it online. Cause the remaster is totally there. (Utena, SFX redeux.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHITb4dgMvg


If only they had changed so many bad frames.
And really? I always thought the beginning was far more guilty of horrible animation quality.



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#47 | Back to Top07-02-2010 11:12:49 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

Damn, I can't watch that episode without tearing up.  emot-gonk
The sadness is terribly intensified.

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#48 | Back to Top07-02-2010 11:30:21 PM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

The first time I watched that episode I had to take off my glasses; I was crying so much I couldn't see with them on.

A ten year old cousin of mine had been watching the series with me on and off. She actually ran out of the room when Anthy's hand slipped from Utena's, she wanted to hide that she was crying.


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#49 | Back to Top07-03-2010 06:40:15 AM

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Re: [Remaster] Want more frames of Touga's hand? Watch the remaster.

No matter how many times I watch episode 39, I still cry. emot-tongue The majority of it being sad tears with a slight touch of hope, then of course the last scene, the closing credits, and them finally showing the title of the episode makes me bawl my eyes out with happy tears.

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