This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#51 | Back to Top12-18-2006 12:19:27 AM

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I think it's almost sad that viewers would expect maturity and reason from a five-year-old.


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#52 | Back to Top12-18-2006 01:24:31 AM

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I love Nanami as well! etc-love My favorite Nanami-centric episode would be the one with her little egg. I read somewhere, I think it was alt.fan.utena, that some think Chuchu was *IN* the egg the entire time. The egg is broken, and Chuchu returns. He was gone the entire time. Interesting theory, eh?

I wasn't surprised when Nanami shoved Touga away, because of her reaction to seeing Akio & Anthy... it seemed to me that she saw a picture of what could have been her & Touga. She was seeing what she wanted, and realized that she did not want it that way. Yeah, she wanted to be the closest person to Touga, or a special person. The relationship as his sister gave that to her, but would (normally) take away her ability to screw him. So, the blood type show said to me that she wanted the sister position, and she probably did not consider whether that meant sex or no, considering her age. All the ways she approaches Touga, are sexual. The way she vamps over that table to tell him someone is trying to kill her, she was coming on to him... but probably too young to realize what that entailed. Again, when Anthy & Akio showed her what was always lingering in the back of her mind, she recoiled and re-evaluated what she did want. And it wasn't sex with Touga (AFTER that point), it seems.

Killing the kitten, I like cats and especially cute kittens, but I never viewed that as a reason to hate Nanami, more to pity her destructive obsession with her brother. The things which made me upset about Nanami, was when she was ruthlessly picking on Anthy near the beginning of the show. Before Anthy gets her grove on, with the magical counter-attacks.


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#53 | Back to Top12-18-2006 03:29:16 AM

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Re: Nanami!

Frosty wrote:

I love Nanami as well! etc-love My favorite Nanami-centric episode would be the one with her little egg. I read somewhere, I think it was alt.fan.utena, that some think Chuchu was *IN* the egg the entire time. The egg is broken, and Chuchu returns. He was gone the entire time. Interesting theory, eh?

I wasn't surprised when Nanami shoved Touga away, because of her reaction to seeing Akio & Anthy... it seemed to me that she saw a picture of what could have been her & Touga. She was seeing what she wanted, and realized that she did not want it that way. Yeah, she wanted to be the closest person to Touga, or a special person. The relationship as his sister gave that to her, but would (normally) take away her ability to screw him. So, the blood type show said to me that she wanted the sister position, and she probably did not consider whether that meant sex or no, considering her age. All the ways she approaches Touga, are sexual. The way she vamps over that table to tell him someone is trying to kill her, she was coming on to him... but probably too young to realize what that entailed. Again, when Anthy & Akio showed her what was always lingering in the back of her mind, she recoiled and re-evaluated what she did want. And it wasn't sex with Touga (AFTER that point), it seems.

I don't really believe Nanami was ever consciously sexual in the way she dealt with her brother -- it may be that she was to some degree mimicking the behaviour of thr girls who DID have his attention (fleeting as it usually was), but then I would doubt that given Nanami's less-than-high opinion of them ("troublesome insects!"). To be honest, even though someone older could misintepret her actions as being flirtatious, I think they were just childishly bold. Nanami demonstrated in Nanami's Egg a rather pitiful lack of sexual awareness/education, and therefore I would sincerely doubt she would consciously do anything sexually-minded towards her brother. Which reminds me, really; I'm sitting here watching Her Tragedy for a completely different reason, and of course that infamous shower scene has popped up.

Now, usually I went with the assumption that Nanami was at least somewhat attracted to her brother -- conscious or not -- but watching it this time I was struck by the earlier exchange where Touga asks if Nanami wants to join him in the shower, and then says: "Only joking." Nanami is embarrassed, and then retreats to her room to look at photographs of their childhood. She notes that they used to share everything, from meals to bed to bath. She then slips into the bathroom to watch her brother, who being aware of her presense, sexes it up something chronic. One could take this as meaning Nanami has a sexual attraction to her brother, but then I thought...no, it's more emphasising the chasm between brother and sister. Nanami, who is after all only thirteen years old and only on the verge of adolescence, is presented with her brother as a grown-up and sexualised figure in a setting that used to be entirely innocent. A setting they used to share. I think it just shows how far apart they are, and Nanami's subsequent filching of her brother's mobile suggests that although she can't be close to her brother in that way she doesn't intend to let all those slutty girls do it in her place. I think this is why she shoves him away later -- because she never intended to be his sister in any way but blood. Hence why she freaks out when she thinks they DON'T share the same blood...not to mention the fact that when Touga does make a move on her she believes they aren't related. But she still refuses him.

I love Nanami as a character; she's on the cusp of two worlds -- even more so than Utena, who does cross from one to the other...and who, according to rumour, has "all kinds of experience...!" -- and by the end, she still hasn't really crossed over. But despite that, she seems to have more insight into their world and its limitations than do the others (save Saionji). Yay Nanami! etc-love


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#54 | Back to Top12-18-2006 04:37:22 AM

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Re: Nanami!

Clarice wrote:

I don't really believe Nanami was ever consciously sexual in the way she dealt with her brother -- it may be that she was to some degree mimicking the behavior of the girls who DID have his attention (fleeting as it usually was), but then I would doubt that given Nanami's less-than-high opinion of them ("troublesome insects!"). To be honest, even though someone older could misinterpret her actions as being flirtatious, I think they were just childishly bold. Nanami demonstrated in Nanami's Egg a rather pitiful lack of sexual awareness/education, and therefore I would sincerely doubt she would consciously do anything sexually-minded towards her brother.

Nice way to articulate Nanami's true motivations. I read it all, and I agree! Nanami wasn't ever consciously aware of her sexual come-ons...and I probably interpret them that way because I'm a sexually active person and have been for years. I wish I caught the show before I lost my virginity, I wonder what sexual awareness of yourself does to your interpretation of the show. Probably not much to people who can separate themselves and have an objective viewpoint. However, Utena really lends itself to self-projection I read someone say somewhere, it certainly does.

Back to little Nanami, what an excellent point: when she pushed Touga away, she still did not know they were related. She still chose not to have him that way. I think if she ever did want physical closeness with him, the other girls she monitored & disliked who had the same thing, as well as seeing Anthy & Akio together would have killed any buried desire to try being close like that.

My most favorite subject: how the character's future would have been changed by the things they experienced. I wonder what each one has forgotten & remembered, concerning the duel-time at Ohtori. For certain, Touga's influence on Nanami won't be forgotten...

I would think that she'd end up turning into an attention-starved love-craving person, with whoever she would find in the future. But, judging from how she speaks to Utena before the final duel... it looks like she could just as easily, go the opposite-of-clingy route and treat someone she cared for disdainfully, to keep herself a safe distance apart.


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#55 | Back to Top12-18-2006 06:02:15 AM

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Re: Nanami!

Frosty wrote:

Nice way to articulate Nanami's true motivations. I read it all, and I agree! Nanami wasn't ever consciously aware of her sexual come-ons...and I probably interpret them that way because I'm a sexually active person and have been for years. I wish I caught the show before I lost my virginity, I wonder what sexual awareness of yourself does to your interpretation of the show. Probably not much to people who can separate themselves and have an objective viewpoint. However, Utena really lends itself to self-projection I read someone say somewhere, it certainly does.

That makes me wonder, too; I mean, I wasn't sexually active when I started watching the series but I read enough porn...er, erotica, to see the sex in the show very easily and without much in the way of ZOMG WTF WHY IS THERE ALL THIS SEX IN A KID'S SHOW?! (...not that I ever really thought/think of it as a "kid's" show anyway...but you know what some people are like about animation). I also think I myself viewed Nanami's actions as somewhat sexualised in the beginning (particularly with the climbing all over the table thing) because almost every other sister in the show DOES demonstrate sexualised behaviour towards their brother. [coughsanthycoughskaoru] I mean, even characters in the show see it this way -- see Utena saying to her that "[Nanami is] the only one like that!" in reference to her unnatural fixation on her brother (the hilarious irony being, of course, that Utena really only notices this because of how loving and fraternal and innocent Anthy and Akio were being to each other over the shaved ice earlier that afternoon...). Only Nanami sees it as trying to preserve her precious memory, which is that of her childhood with her brother. The presence of anyone else in their lives ruins the illusion, and Nanami smarts at their interference...particularly that of the girls who crowd around him, because she's only just realising her brother has needs that she can not -- and most certainly does not want to -- fulfil.

The other irony in this is that Nanami displays affection towards Saionji -- or at least a comfortable familiarity in that she is the only one who is heard to call him "Kyouichi," and that she DARES to sucker punch him over an egg (...if you believe anyone else would do this -- or that Saionji wouldn't immediately retaliate if they tried -- I'd like to hear your theory emot-wink). In this I figure it is because they knew each other as children and "Kyouichi" was a part of her idyllic childhood with her brother, hence she doesn't mind his continued presence in their lives. And the irony is, of course, that half the time Touga and Saionji are barely on speaking terms.

Frosty wrote:

My most favorite subject: how the character's future would have been changed by the things they experienced. I wonder what each one has forgotten & remembered, concerning the duel-time at Ohtori. For certain, Touga's influence on Nanami won't be forgotten...

I would think that she'd end up turning into an attention-starved love-craving person, with whoever she would find in the future. But, judging from how she speaks to Utena before the final duel... it looks like she could just as easily, go the opposite-of-clingy route and treat someone she cared for disdainfully, to keep herself a safe distance apart.

I tend to think she'd go the distance route -- in some ways, it has almost been like sexual abuse to her (and I suppose you could make a good argument for the fact that she WAS sexually abused, but then...er, I think almost everyone was, in some shape or form). Given her haughty personality, and her sense of being "better" than others, I would think she'd convince herself that no-one is good enough for her and this is why she remains alone and above them all, when really it is that she is too scared of intimacy to let anyone in. It could also be argued as an issue of abandonment, I guess.


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#56 | Back to Top12-18-2006 08:55:37 PM

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Re: Nanami!

If you'll excuse the somewhat non-sequitur...

Nanami's real life counterpart? emot-biggrin


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#57 | Back to Top04-12-2007 08:40:12 PM

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Sorry to necro, but..

Animals don't like Nanami, and she doesn't like animals. Do you think it is because of how she tried to plant them on Anthy, and then since animals seem to like Anthy and vice-versa, she plays jokes on Nanami with animals?

Or maybe animals have never liked Nanami since she killed that kitten, and they can sense it?

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#58 | Back to Top04-12-2007 09:56:31 PM

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Re: Nanami!

SleepDebtFairy wrote:

Sorry to necro, but..

Animals don't like Nanami, and she doesn't like animals. Do you think it is because of how she tried to plant them on Anthy, and then since animals seem to like Anthy and vice-versa, she plays jokes on Nanami with animals?

Or maybe animals have never liked Nanami since she killed that kitten, and they can sense it?

You know, I've always felt that the animals are out to get her. Maybe it IS Karma coming back to bite her in the ass for drowning that kitten. There was also saying that the animals stampede is a comical version of Anthy being penetrated by swords, thereby making Anthy/Nanami parallel/antiparallel.
Both tried to protect someone important to them (onii-sama), both killed something to do so (killed Dios/kitten), and both pissed off a crowd for doing so (sword/animal stampede)

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#59 | Back to Top04-13-2007 01:37:45 AM

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Hiraku wrote:

You know, I've always felt that the animals are out to get her. Maybe it IS Karma coming back to bite her in the ass for drowning that kitten. There was also saying that the animals stampede is a comical version of Anthy being penetrated by swords, thereby making Anthy/Nanami parallel/antiparallel.
Both tried to protect someone important to them (onii-sama), both killed something to do so (killed Dios/kitten), and both pissed off a crowd for doing so (sword/animal stampede)

Does that mean that Nanami will one day become a witch herself and seal Touga(Winter bud) away, making him into a phantom while she becomes a self imposed slave to Touga's new counterpart Natsukusa(Summer Grass) where he tries to regain the power of Touga while Nanami becomes the Rose Bride as she endures the 1,000,000 Elephants of human hatred? emot-dance OH MY!

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#60 | Back to Top04-13-2007 02:33:55 AM

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Re: Nanami!

Tamago wrote:

Hiraku wrote:

You know, I've always felt that the animals are out to get her. Maybe it IS Karma coming back to bite her in the ass for drowning that kitten. There was also saying that the animals stampede is a comical version of Anthy being penetrated by swords, thereby making Anthy/Nanami parallel/antiparallel.
Both tried to protect someone important to them (onii-sama), both killed something to do so (killed Dios/kitten), and both pissed off a crowd for doing so (sword/animal stampede)

Does that mean that Nanami will one day become a witch herself and seal Touga(Winter bud) away, making him into a phantom while she becomes a self imposed slave to Touga's new counterpart Natsukusa(Summer Grass) where he tries to regain the power of Touga while Nanami becomes the Rose Bride as she endures the 1,000,000 Elephants of human hatred? emot-dance OH MY!

And I though the cannon part of Utena was complex... emot-gonk


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#61 | Back to Top04-13-2007 03:37:49 AM

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Tamago wrote:

Hiraku wrote:

You know, I've always felt that the animals are out to get her. Maybe it IS Karma coming back to bite her in the ass for drowning that kitten. There was also saying that the animals stampede is a comical version of Anthy being penetrated by swords, thereby making Anthy/Nanami parallel/antiparallel.
Both tried to protect someone important to them (onii-sama), both killed something to do so (killed Dios/kitten), and both pissed off a crowd for doing so (sword/animal stampede)

Does that mean that Nanami will one day become a witch herself and seal Touga(Winter bud) away, making him into a phantom while she becomes a self imposed slave to Touga's new counterpart Natsukusa(Summer Grass) where he tries to regain the power of Touga while Nanami becomes the Rose Bride as she endures the 1,000,000 Elephants of human hatred? emot-dance OH MY!

That COULD have happened if Nanami didn't run into Akio and Anthy doing the nasty on one of her midnight trips to the bathroom<-That's gonna leave a scar in her brain.
Sometimes it would've been better if she could just hold it in.
Although... I never thought of it that way! NOW I'm curious to see Nanami in a Rose Bride dress! And who's her true prince gonna be? Hachihana? (Eight Flowers as opposed to Seven Nuts) I'm not creative with names...

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#62 | Back to Top04-13-2007 12:22:47 PM

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I laughed when I read that. Very clever!

I really, really like Nanami. I defintely feel sorry for her, but at the same time, she's wonderfully devious and sneaky.
I wanted her to win at some point.

That, and I loved her duellist outfit. Her shoes were super cute.

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#63 | Back to Top04-13-2007 03:15:19 PM

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Oooh, thanks for bumping. emot-dance



I love that Nanami doesn't just accept the whole 'gee, I'm not special so I'ma go whine about it an a dark corner' thing. She's going to be special means she's going to be special. No moaning and bitching about the unfairness of it all, she just gets up and deals with it. I mean, Wakaba proves in the Saionji x Wakaba episode that she has all the potential to be special but she she thinks she doesn't and that she can't. At the time Touga went to kiss Nanami, to be honest I forget what my own reaction was, I was more 'ZOMG he's trying to kiss her!?' but I don't think I was too surprised. And I adore that she doesn't let herself become less 'special' when Touga does that to her, as Wakaba does when Saionji leaves her, but whups her friends and gets back in stride. I get a tad annoyed at the Nanami filler episodes, however, because they make people not take Nanami seriously and play her off as comic relief. She's a force to be reckoned with. coolcoolcool


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#64 | Back to Top04-13-2007 09:07:34 PM

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The swords/animals parallel is really interesting.

Perhaps they hate each other because they each recognize themselves in the other.

Perhaps all animals can be Anthy's "familiars", because she is Queen of Nature. Also since cows are sacred in India perhaps Nanami is being honored. Anyway she was doubtless a very special cow, a singular cow, a cow above all other cows.

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#65 | Back to Top04-13-2007 09:47:44 PM

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brian wrote:

The swords/animals parallel is really interesting.

Perhaps they hate each other because they each recognize themselves in the other.

Perhaps all animals can be Anthy's "familiars", because she is Queen of Nature. Also since cows are sacred in India perhaps Nanami is being honored. Anyway she was doubtless a very special cow, a singular cow, a cow above all other cows.


It is the reason Nanami demanded her final duel, "I'm nothing like her!" I don't know if Anthy thinks the same way. I would think that being the horrible reality that she represents, she would resign to the idea that she and Nanami (and even Shiori) are very much alike.
True, not a lot of cows could give birth to monkeys in an egg.
I don't know if the Anime Anthy and the Movie Anthy are supposed to share any similarity, but the Movie Anthy herself has mocked Utena openly at least two times. The two lines that Utena said in the movie. One to Wakaba, "I think we'll suit each other very well." Anthy said the same thing to Utena, which carries a different, creepy tone. The other about, "It's important to capture the other's true nature. Can't we just forget about all the secrets and Rose Bride?" And then Anthy makes Utena model nude to poke fun of her proposal of "let's be honest to each other"
Carrying that mentality to the anime, Anthy would also be considered as making fun of Nanami's desire to be special. She is the only cow wearing the royal cowbell, after all

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#66 | Back to Top04-13-2007 10:00:36 PM

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Hiraku wrote:

... to Wakaba, "I think we'll suit each other very well." Anthy said the same thing to Utena, which carries a different, creepy tone. The other about, "It's important to capture the other's true nature. Can't we just forget about all the secrets and Rose Bride?" And then Anthy makes Utena model nude to poke fun of her proposal of "let's be honest to each other"
Carrying that mentality to the anime, Anthy would also be considered as making fun of Nanami's desire to be special.

Those are really cool parallels. Ironically Anthy is a more effective and (almost) compassionate educator than Akio. Nanami at least is a better person when Anthy is through with her. I am not sure you could say that for anyone who falls into Akio's orbit.

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#67 | Back to Top04-14-2007 12:22:45 AM

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brian wrote:

Those are really cool parallels. Ironically Anthy is a more effective and (almost) compassionate educator than Akio. Nanami at least is a better person when Anthy is through with her. I am not sure you could say that for anyone who falls into Akio's orbit.

I still feel bad for Kanae

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#68 | Back to Top06-24-2007 07:10:22 PM

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Hiraku wrote:

brian wrote:

Those are really cool parallels. Ironically Anthy is a more effective and (almost) compassionate educator than Akio. Nanami at least is a better person when Anthy is through with her. I am not sure you could say that for anyone who falls into Akio's orbit.

I still feel bad for Kanae

Ditto

Imagine my joy when I can across a Nanami thread. I love that girl!!

I'll just drag over what I said in the Kozue thread:

On the note of Nanami and Touga, I agree with the idea of Nanami not wanting to be another troublesome insect and thus rejecting Touga's advances in the car, and maybe she's subconsciously sexually attracted to Touga (I mean come on who isn't) but I always pegged it as more romanticized then sexual. She grew up with her world revolving around Touga, they slept in the same bed together, took baths together, when she askes him to kiss her in a much earlier episode, he refuses saying they're no longer kids, and when he suggests the same thing, she gets huffy about it and repeates similar words, that they're no longer kids (though its obvious she misses that), so perhaps Touga used to kiss Nanami on the lips as well when they were kids, as perhaps a kiss goodnight or a goodbye kiss. But when you're growing up you obviously can no longer do these things anymore, he's a boy and shes a girl and it would be improper to retain that bond because growing up you go through changes.

To me Nanami seemed like she was simply unable to accept these changes and this aspect of growing up. She still wanted to retain her happy memories of being with her brother where he's attentions on her were doting and intimate without any of the complications growing up brings.

I find I can be similar in the way that I used to say boys turned into jerks once they hit puberty. I wanted to have the same carefree close relationships I had with my male friends when I was younger but then they hit a certain age and it was difficult for me to accept I could no longer have that. (I'm still very much that way)


Great this is supposed to be Kozue and I veer off into Nanami, bloody hell

frosty wrote:

I wish I caught the show before I lost my virginity, I wonder what sexual awareness of yourself does to your interpretation of the show.

That could actually be why I think this about Touga and Nanami actually. Reading through the posts today though, I think I have to agree a lot with Clarice, and those were my reactions when watching Nanami as well, that she doesn't want that kind of relationship with her brother or to be reduced to just another insect in the swarm. Especially since outside of the context of brother and sister thats the category her feelings would most probably end up in, this is what I gathered from her final duel with Utena, especially her words during said duel.

I remember her saying how upset she is, that her brother was her whole world.........and then Utena saying something along the lines of, 'does it really matter whether you're brother and sister or not, as long as those feelings are there', and then Nanami sounds angry and replies that Utena can believe that is she wants to but she knows where those feelings will lead.

I always saw that as a very important line when determining Nanami's feelings towards Touga.

Okay, onto things I like about Nanami:

Her voice.

"How did it feel?"

She was the only character to question Miki about he's damn stopwatch, what? Like, does everybody find this compulsive behaviour normal or something?

The fact that she wore a cowbell, a frigging cowbell, and matching sports shirt, and matching hair clip, and matching languid moaning voice, and persisted to wear it even when common sense should of told her not to.

That fact that it looked good.

Dona Dona

She could physically harm Saionji and get away with it

She physically harmed Saionji

She harmed Saionji

And made him burn he's egg

Her dueling outfit is teh hotness

She's neurotically cute

No really

She draws her hair back and yet gets no forehead quips referring to its shape

Tsuwabaki

She saved Tsuwabaki

From a kangaroo

That could box emot-gonk

The fact that Tsuwabaki was the best black rose duelist in terms of skill

Tsuwabaki's take on what should of have happened in the cow episode

"I want to wreck everything, everything", because SKU doesn't get any creepier than a ten year old saying that repeatedly in a lift.

"Listen Nanami God made man and woman", oh no wait, yes it does

"I started when I was seven. It feels good", it really really does,

Because she can take on three people single handedly

And win

Because Keiko didn't know what hit her

Oh no wait, yes she did

She gets more theme songs than anyother character

And they have lyric's

Warm fuzzy ones

Because despite how much I would have loved to see Miki's reaction to Anthy on a Saturday night, Nanami showed him mercy

Because she warns Utena

She'd make a beach rose bride

Because its 2 in the morning and I shes good enough to force me to write about her

They gave her an egg song

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#69 | Back to Top06-24-2007 08:11:51 PM

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Coco Melancholy wrote:

etc-love LOADS OF NANAMI GOODNESS! etc-love

Quoted for the sheer truth of it. emot-keke school-eng101

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#70 | Back to Top06-25-2007 02:47:22 AM

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Re: Nanami!

Tamago wrote:

Coco Melancholy wrote:

etc-love LOADS OF NANAMI GOODNESS! etc-love

Quoted for the sheer truth of it. emot-keke school-eng101

poptart Very Poptart worthy! poptart

Ah! Wah-hey! Poptarts emot-dance

Spreading the Nanmi love is invigorating and deliciously rewarding! emot-keke

Thanx etc-love

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#71 | Back to Top06-25-2007 04:47:00 AM

Nanami's Rose Groom
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Re: Nanami!

HELL YEAH! You get the Prize of Cowbell Poptart from me poptart . It's awesome to see a Nanami and Tsuwabuki fan emot-danceemot-danceemot-dance


"Get back to the surface, where the sunlight is so dazzling"

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#72 | Back to Top01-29-2009 02:47:15 PM

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Re: Nanami!

Ger wrote:

what do you guys think of the Nanami-Touga relationship vs the Miki-Kozue relationship? I like comparing and contrasting the two girls and their obsession with their respective brothers - and how incredibly polar their attitudes are towards it.

Both grossed me out...yet later I couldn't help but feel sorry for Nanami in some twisted way. Are her feelings sick and wrong? Yes. Nevertheless, she is truely suffering from unrequited love and, unlike Kozue, she's not trying to force anything on Touga.

By the way, did Touga really understand what Nanami was trying to say when she told him she loved him? I can't tell if he was stunned or bewildered.


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My Utena fanfiction: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2000115/Riri-kins

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#73 | Back to Top01-29-2009 09:00:58 PM

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Registered: 12-04-2008
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Re: Nanami!

Hiraku wrote:

Although... I never thought of it that way! NOW I'm curious to see Nanami in a Rose Bride dress! And who's her true prince gonna be? Hachihana? (Eight Flowers as opposed to Seven Nuts) I'm not creative with names...

I think Nanami would be more likely to be one of those Scandinavian heroes -- the craftsmen's sons who are clever and earn their happy endings through careful trickery, and sometimes just return home when their tale is over.

(. . . and wouldn't it be 'Hachibana'?)


The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born must first destroy a world. [The bird is flying to God. The name of the God is called Abraxas.]

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#74 | Back to Top02-04-2009 09:31:21 PM

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From: Calgary, AB
Registered: 12-07-2007
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Re: Nanami!

Seconding the praise for Nanami love and Tsuwabuki Respekt.

/Bro fist

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#75 | Back to Top08-20-2011 05:24:19 AM

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Re: Nanami!

Xu Yuan wrote:

In the end though Nanami does appear to be the most noble of all of the Seitokai. Her reason for dueling is exactly the same reason that Utena dueled Touga back in episode 12. She wanted to regain and surpass herself. She had as much reason to win and conquer everything that kept her under as much as Utena did. But unfortunately that wasn't in Akio's plans, using her as bait for another duel leading towards revolution. Notice Nanami's style. It is exorbitantly different from her brother's, she fight's with power and an assassin's touch. If it weren't for the power of Dios, Utena would have easily been defeated by Nanami. Yet after the duel Utena doesn't even act as if it was a challenge. Though in my opinion Nanami fight's just as well as Juri or even "Enchanted Arena" Touga. Though I could go on and on about Nanami's suprebly vast improvement's that's not the point of this thread. Though it could be an interesting comparison.

I've often thought that if Utena weren't the victor, it would have probably gone to Nanami.  She has more episodes featuring her than any other Duelist and even runs the Council for 12 episodes.  She has her own recap episode! For a character who wasn't even in the manga, that's an unusual amount of focus.  She even manages to cut the rose from Utena's chest, albeit after the duel was over. 

I saw in another thread that some people consider Nanami to be mostly comic relief, but I tend to see it a bit differently.  Her tale is often comic, often melodramatic but she ultimately does have one of the darkest and longest character arcs in the series.


~ diru

Don't talk shit. One does not hear about Abraxas by accident.

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