This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#126 | Back to Top06-26-2016 12:13:51 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

This isn't a recommendation more than a notice that something might be coming out really soon, but Takashi Murakami is planning to release an anime sometime in 2016. (This is the only article I've seen on it in english for a while...) Six Hearts Princess / 6HP / 6♥P is based off of a short that was pretty much the opening and ending of a fictional magical girl anime, and also acted the basis for Shu Uemura's 2013 holiday makeup line.

If you've seen the ED/OP, then it seems like a pretty over the top, but honestly typical magical girl series, with j-pop anthems and all. But there are clues that there might be something deeper happening here, other than the fact that Takashi Murakami is an internationally known artist who is commonly referred to as the coiner of the term "superflat", which pretty much is an art movement that uses commercial and high-art culture to comment on each other, and also tends to cross-examine the otaku mindset on occasion. The 'art' piece of this might be observing how the public will react to the show itself, which currently is a mystery other than a few shorts and teasers, a handful of concept art, promotional cosplays, and the fact that it was apparently based partially on the six perfections of Mahāyāna Buddhism, and by extension, Nansō Satomi Hakkenden or The Tale of The Eight Dogs.



(I am not kidding, he actually said that in this interview, sometime around the nine second mark.)

There's still no clear air date other than the anime possibly airing this year, but I'd still watch an unsettling goofy retelling of a samurai epic staring middle school girls in frilly outfits though if that's all it is.

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#127 | Back to Top10-12-2016 02:27:43 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

I can hardly believe it but has no one mentioned K here yet?
I've just finished the first season and it was so heavily laden with gay subtext it could almost run for official shounen-ai tag. I liked it. It was ridiculous - but I did.
More than that, I'm starting to think my subconscious is seriously trying to work through something because
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I swear I look for these stories, and they seek me out just as much.


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#128 | Back to Top10-13-2016 02:39:43 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

Recommendations for anime where the final couple aren't telegraphed or practically together by the first quarter of the series? Or, at least, the first three episodes if it's a long series?

Macross does a pretty good job of it. I'm not all that comfortable with the idea of Asuka and Shinji as a final couple, but if that's your bag, I'll accept it. I'm not thinking of too many others, though.


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#129 | Back to Top10-14-2016 10:35:45 AM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

malna wrote:

I can hardly believe it but has no one mentioned K here yet?
I've just finished the first season and it was so heavily laden with gay subtext it could almost run for official shounen-ai tag. I liked it. It was ridiculous - but I did.

I thought the same and did mention K but in another thread, namely here:
http://forums.ohtori.nu/viewtopic.php?p … 60#p269860

I actually think the second season ups the gay vibes, at least in some respects, and has a character that the cast seems to think as gay. And who does nothing to dissuade them either.

Decrescent Daytripper wrote:

Recommendations for anime where the final couple aren't telegraphed or practically together by the first quarter of the series? Or, at least, the first three episodes if it's a long series?

True Tears immediately comes to mind. And perhaps Nagi no Asukara, I have yet to actually finish but it tosses a lot of possible romantic combinations around.

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#130 | Back to Top10-14-2016 03:49:48 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

Wow ok K IS pretty gay.
They boys have just met and have already hugged for no reason and had a huge uke blush.
10/10, would recommend emot-rofl


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#131 | Back to Top10-14-2016 03:56:57 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

YamPuff wrote:

Wow ok K IS pretty gay.
They boys have just met and have already hugged for no reason and had a huge uke blush.
10/10, would recommend emot-rofl

And just wait until the movie when Mishakuji is introduced: http://s3.narvii.com/image/xue3zp45noaa … 4en_hq.jpg

The fact that Kuro and Shiro look like dead ringers for Nezumi and Shion from Number 6 also adds a lot to the gay vibes.

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#132 | Back to Top10-14-2016 05:02:26 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

Nocturnalux wrote:

The fact that Kuro and Shiro look like dead ringers for Nezumi and Shion from Number 6 also adds a lot to the gay vibes.

I knew I'd seen them somewhere before! Why, of course.

YamPuff, hope you enjoy the series. I still have plenty K feels (just finished writing fanfic). emot-smile


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#133 | Back to Top10-14-2016 06:22:31 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

malna wrote:

YamPuff, hope you enjoy the series. I still have plenty K feels (just finished writing fanfic). emot-smile

Without wanting to spoil it, the movie and season two are mostly about a new clan whose core members are all guys and boy are they all chummy together. They are probably my favorite clan, actually, it's like a very weird dysfunctional family in which everyone is less than sane but somehow are oddly endearing despite being the villains.

I wish Jungle had a spin-off in which they are the main characters. It'd make one hell of a strange but interesting slice of life anime.

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#134 | Back to Top10-15-2016 09:01:20 AM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

In some way the series is reminding me of Code Geass, in the sense that there is major BL going on with the pretty boys and at the same loads of camera ogling female T&A. Not to mention the very large cast of characters and urban fantasy setting.

I like the visual design and the music so far, so I'm definitely in it for the long haul.

Also : YAOI ON ICE
I MEAN YURI!! ON ICE


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#135 | Back to Top10-15-2016 11:19:08 AM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

Nocturnalux wrote:

a new clan whose core members are all guys

Good thing SCEPTER 4 makes up for it and surpasses them... by one female member, correct? And so does Homra, if I remember correctly.

I'm still considering watching the second season and the movie. What you write about Jungle sounds encouraging but I'm wary about a few things. First of all, [my OTP was brutally cut short by the season 1 finale. ;c Cue fact that a character whom I found most easy on the eyes and nice to listen to (if not compelling personality-wise) is no longer around. With that factors unchecked, I just don't find much incentive to watch further.  ]
Apart from that, from various sources I gather that fanservice gets overboard and distasteful in season 2.
But who am I kidding, I'll probably watch it anyway.


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#136 | Back to Top10-15-2016 12:38:04 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

malna wrote:

Nocturnalux wrote:

a new clan whose core members are all guys

Good thing SCEPTER 4 makes up for it and surpasses them... by one female member, correct? And so does Homra, if I remember correctly.

I'm still considering watching the second season and the movie. What you write about Jungle sounds encouraging but I'm wary about a few things. First of all, [my OTP was brutally cut short by the season 1 finale. ;c Cue fact that a character whom I found most easy on the eyes and nice to listen to (if not compelling personality-wise) is no longer around. With that factors unchecked, I just don't find much incentive to watch further.  ]
Apart from that, from various sources I gather that fanservice gets overboard and distasteful in season 2.
But who am I kidding, I'll probably watch it anyway.

If the fanservice in season one did not bother you then I doubt you'll find anything in season two to put you off.
As for (spoiler for season one, very slight one for season two) [Mikoto no longer being with us, season two is packed with flashbacks of him and Munakata along with Anna fondly remembering him. And Munakata having conversations with Mikoto in his mind.]

Heh, it's true that K's male cast is the vast majority but Jungle takes it a step higher by having the core members all live together. If Scepter 4 is a stylish police force with military and samurai vibes and Homra is like a super tight gang-like group with a very close knit community and street flare, Jungle is a dysfunctional family full of misfits. They may be the antagonists but their dynamics as a group are weirdly fascinating.

If you enjoyed the gay vibes in K then season two is a must-see if only for Yukari who I think is actually gay. At least the cast thinks he is and he does not deny it.

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#137 | Back to Top10-18-2016 09:58:47 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

Amanchu is very good.  It's an anime about a girl who moves to a new town, takes up diving, and meets another girl who she forms a close bond with. While the series is technically about diving, it's mainly a cute and relaxing slice-of-life anime.  Hikari/Teko (the two girls) is such an adorable pairing too.

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#138 | Back to Top10-20-2016 07:40:38 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

So, in considerable part swayed by you, Nocturnalux, I gave the K second season a try (so far I'm three episodes in) and I am so glad I did! Thanks for that.

To get this out of the way, fanservice actually does get horrible in episode 1 but it tuned down since. One more thing I noticed - whereas I enjoyed music in season one, it gets way too flashy in many scenes in the second, to the point where it's distracting from rather than emphasizing them. But to make up for that, the animation is considerably better.

(spoilers for season two 1-3 eps) [I agree with you on Jungle. They are a breath of fresh air amongst all the other highly hierarchic and in some cases cult-like clans. I very much enjoy the democratic and easygoing feeling to the Jungles. I'm all for their own spin-off.
Gay or not, how on earth has Yukari ever won you over? emot-biggrin He's so flamboyant and he looks down on people. (He is right about Kuroh being hopelessly uptight, though.)
Still, I have to say the richness and diversity of characters in this series in general is amazing. Fushimi and Neko are getting more and more wonderful with each episode. I enjoy Fushimi & Misaki's dynamic - from the first episode I'd been waiting for the scene in which Misaki would find out that the price on his head was lower than on Saru's.
I did enjoy flashbacks of Suoh and Munakata fighting and I'm looking forward to see more of these two together but really, all the characters have been pretty awesome and so where the script goes, I willingly follow.
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#139 | Back to Top10-29-2016 03:57:31 PM

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So I've finished the second season of K and I immensely enjoyed it. Fushimi really blossomed as a character. He was a delight to watch in pretty much every scene he made appearance. [As much as I love him with the Blues, I can see why Nagare said Fushimi's personality fit in best with JUNGLE.] He is eccentric, a misfit, always thinks outside the box and hierarchic structure irks him. [Oh, and he sort of made a new friend-for-pay! How sweet, in a very Fushimi-way.
I did miss Mikoto. I thought it was a nice touch that Munakata started hearing and then seeing him shortly before his own impending death. It reminds me of people seeing their dead relatives or friends on their death beds. And it was all the more fitting that he would see Mikoto when his own Damocles was about to Down, their history considered.
So yeah, MikoRei remains my OTP in this series even though I suppose that by slaying the Grey King, the one who couldn't deal with past events and dragged the dead fellow king along with him for 14 years, Munakata transcended his own past and the Red King's ghost. Just like working together to defeat the "game-brain kid" (I think that's how Fushimi elegantly put it) was somehow cleansing for Saruhiko and Misaki.
But I'm not so much for surpassing and transcending, or I haven't been lately, so what do i care.

I do adore the J-rank clansmen and I wish we could get that green spin-off (with Saruhiko included!) I really liked the Grey King, the Green King almost just as much - I found them quite easy to sympathize with and felt sad for them in the end. Yukari grew on me, too.
J-rank Jungles really did make a strange yet lovable home for themselves. Their ideals were interesting to say the least. And their home base was hands down the best.
]

I'll miss this show. Luckily there's fanfiction and I may check out the manga.


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#140 | Back to Top10-31-2016 05:55:20 AM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

Watched Toki o Kakeru Shoujo for the first time this weekend.

This is the first new anime I've actually watched in years. Was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed it.


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#141 | Back to Top11-05-2016 09:46:11 AM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

So if Yuri Kuma Arashi and Madoka Magica had drunken sex one night and got pregnant, I think their offspring might have been called Flip Flappers.


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#142 | Back to Top11-06-2016 10:06:28 AM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

YamPuff wrote:

So if Yuri Kuma Arashi and Madoka Magica had drunken sex one night and got pregnant, I think their offspring might have been called Flip Flappers.

I am loving this show so far. The animation in ep03 reaches Space Dandy levels of extravagance.

Izetta: The Last Witch is my other favorite of this season: another show with ambiguous lesbians! etc-jurishlick


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#143 | Back to Top11-19-2016 01:16:15 PM

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I've been looking into Owari no Seraph to fill the BL-shaped hole in my heart between episodes of Yuri on Ice and although I WANT very much to like it, I have found it hard to get into. The animation and design is beautiful but it's very 'shonen' and predictable, so I'm fairly bored while watching it.


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#144 | Back to Top11-27-2016 11:49:18 AM

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Started watching Watamote. It's one of the few pieces of media I've ever come across that actually gets what it's like to have severe social anxiety. It is both painful to watch and very funny. There's an episode where she orders a coffee at a Starbucks and that scene could basically serve as PSA for SAD. One of the things I like about it is that Tomoki generally is hindered from having friends and getting what she wants due to her being an absolute garbage can of a person and not because she is shy and awkward. I'll probably check out the manga when I'm done with the anime.


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#145 | Back to Top12-04-2016 04:03:36 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

YamPuff wrote:

Started watching Watamote. It's one of the few pieces of media I've ever come across that actually gets what it's like to have severe social anxiety. It is both painful to watch and very funny. There's an episode where she orders a coffee at a Starbucks and that scene could basically serve as PSA for SAD. One of the things I like about it is that Tomoki generally is hindered from having friends and getting what she wants due to her being an absolute garbage can of a person and not because she is shy and awkward. I'll probably check out the manga when I'm done with the anime.

I have a huge moe crush on Tomoko. I find her problems very relatable. I like the fact that she's not the typical shy girl who just needs to be coaxed out of her shell; she is fundamentally broken in many different and interesting ways, and is trapped in a cycle of self-sabotage, bitterness and social failure. It could be hard to watch for someone dealing with similar problems now, but for me those days are far enough in the distance that I can laugh about it. emot-wink Other than that, I'd say this show is a must-watch.


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#146 | Back to Top12-05-2016 12:31:25 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

purplepolecat wrote:

YamPuff wrote:

Started watching Watamote. It's one of the few pieces of media I've ever come across that actually gets what it's like to have severe social anxiety. It is both painful to watch and very funny. There's an episode where she orders a coffee at a Starbucks and that scene could basically serve as PSA for SAD. One of the things I like about it is that Tomoki generally is hindered from having friends and getting what she wants due to her being an absolute garbage can of a person and not because she is shy and awkward. I'll probably check out the manga when I'm done with the anime.

I have a huge moe crush on Tomoko. I find her problems very relatable. I like the fact that she's not the typical shy girl who just needs to be coaxed out of her shell; she is fundamentally broken in many different and interesting ways, and is trapped in a cycle of self-sabotage, bitterness and social failure. It could be hard to watch for someone dealing with similar problems now, but for me those days are far enough in the distance that I can laugh about it. emot-wink Other than that, I'd say this show is a must-watch.

It is a perfect anime. I loved every episode.

I actually found myself getting very anxious when her seat at school was changed as that would have been trauma for me in school, and till now, if I can't get a corner/ wall seat in a cafe/restaurant, I'll just leave..

I like thinking of Tomoko as being closet bi.


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#147 | Back to Top01-03-2017 11:25:00 AM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

I finished Flip Flappers. It was almost a brilliant series, but like many shows that are heavily symbolic/mysterious (or try to be), it simply didn't deliver at the end in terms of a satisfying conclusion and explanation IMO. Even though it had 13 instead of 12 episodes, I felt the extra episode was wasted. There is a difference between an open ending and some mystery and simply being confused/ lost. It's frustrating because I believe that with only a little tweaking and rearranging, it could have been perfect. If the finale had been done like the artist memory episode, or the many Papika episode, wow, it would have really been something.


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#148 | Back to Top01-03-2017 02:16:37 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

YamPuff wrote:

I finished Flip Flappers. It was almost a brilliant series, but like many shows that are heavily symbolic/mysterious (or try to be), it simply didn't deliver at the end in terms of a satisfying conclusion and explanation IMO. Even though it had 13 instead of 12 episodes, I felt the extra episode was wasted. There is a difference between an open ending and some mystery and simply being confused/ lost. It's frustrating because I believe that with only a little tweaking and rearranging, it could have been perfect. If the finale had been done like the artist memory episode, or the many Papika episode, wow, it would have really been something.

imo it wasn't really that much of a mysterious anime, it just had some fancy visuals at times. the ending was pretty generic and didn't deliver on the symbolism from earlier, so it just turned into a normal anime in the end. i don't care about explanations, so i'd be fine with one that explains nothing but is interesting; to me, the show didn't seem interested in EITHER of those things.

unrelated: the first episode of 6HP aired and apparently it's controversial, but i'll take psychosexual content over generic moe any day, even if the characters' youths are uncomfortable. hasn't been subbed yet though emot-frown


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#149 | Back to Top01-03-2017 02:17:12 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

The ending of Flip Flippers was alright, I thought. Although its imagery was complex and referential, the actual narrative is and always was an uncomplicated, cartoony affair, and the finale was appropriately the same. Cocona and Papika are together and happy, and that's what matters.

In any case, it was in all ways much, much better than how Izetta ultimately turned out...

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#150 | Back to Top01-03-2017 02:46:30 PM

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Re: Anime/manga recommendation

Aelanie wrote:

The ending of Flip Flippers was alright, I thought. Although its imagery was complex and referential, the actual narrative is and always was an uncomplicated, cartoony affair, and the finale was appropriately the same. Cocona and Papika are together and happy, and that's what matters.

In any case, it was in all ways much, much better than how Izetta ultimately turned out...

Izetta was bound to turn into garbage, what with having the writer responsible for such classics as Guilty Crown, Code Geass, and Qwaser of Stigmata. That said, I was blown away by the first episode. Lots of great action scenes, emotional moments, and parallels to Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind. It's unfortunate that the rest of the show wound up better meeting my expectations.


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