This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#1 | Back to Top12-11-2008 12:49:18 AM

Madam Cheezy
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WHY?!?

Okay, so, I know a chunk of you probably dont like Dragonball, but, I gotta believe there are at least one or two of you who still hold a Goku torch close to your heart.

If that's the case, be prepared for a heart attack:
http://www.mania.com/dragonball-trailer … 11681.html

Seeing this made me want to cry....and not in a good way......emot-gonk


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#2 | Back to Top12-11-2008 01:21:44 AM

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Re: WHY?!?

The title of this thread is the best comment to that piece of shit. I think that the infamous Uwe Boll would do better here emot-gonk

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#3 | Back to Top12-11-2008 04:39:47 AM

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Re: WHY?!?

Looks to me that they just borrowed the names, a bit of the plot and the balls in the hopes of cashing in on the Dragonball name.

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#4 | Back to Top12-11-2008 05:13:31 AM

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Re: WHY?!?

ONTD has been following the making of that for about a year. I guess I'm sort of innocculated against it, but... yeeeeeeeah. It really hurts me that James Marsters is in it -of all people. JAMES. MARSTERS. Le sigh.


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#5 | Back to Top12-11-2008 05:46:07 AM

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Re: WHY?!?

I thought it looked awesome and I'm a HUGE Dragon Ball fan.


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#6 | Back to Top12-11-2008 06:14:15 AM

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Re: WHY?!?

I had to check if today's April's Fools. Sadly it's not. emot-frown

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#7 | Back to Top12-11-2008 07:11:21 AM

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Re: WHY?!?

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Why does people keep doing this to us?!?!??!!!

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#8 | Back to Top12-11-2008 09:08:31 AM

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Re: WHY?!?

The power of ignorance. Fight fire with fire.

The same way the creators of this thing were ignoring the fact this probably sucks a lot, so will the viewers ignore the existence of it. Simple. emot-biggrin

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#9 | Back to Top12-11-2008 10:54:20 AM

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Re: WHY?!?

The worst part of it is that they're going to make Chichi the queen bee of high school. Whatever happened to our butt-kicking country girl?! emot-gonk


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#10 | Back to Top12-11-2008 11:23:14 AM

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Re: WHY?!?

and I posted in the "so whatcha listenin to" thread, Ayumi Hamasaki is doing the theme song for the movie, which I'm really nervous about ...because the trailer just looks bad.


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#11 | Back to Top12-11-2008 12:16:10 PM

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Re: WHY?!?

What were you guys expecting? It's a live action Dragon Ball movie, not a meditation on the holocaust.

I guess I'll just never understand the mentality of super nerds (see also: the Transformers movie).


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#12 | Back to Top12-11-2008 12:44:42 PM

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You have a point. It doesn't bother me that they'll abridge a lot of the plot or make Mai a shapeshifter or something. What bothers me is that Hollywood thinks that changing certain character's personalities will make them more marketable. I liked Goku just fine when he was naive and exciteable instead of this teenage "badass".


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#13 | Back to Top12-11-2008 01:00:42 PM

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Re: WHY?!?

It's a joint production between America, Japan and China, so it's not just "Hollywood."

The important thing to remember is that it's an adaption, and as an adaption, some things will be changed, that's just how it is. Anybody that reads Harry Potter, for instance, has to accept that when they go into those movies. I like Goku as a naive character too, but it's not a character that's going to work as a centerpiece in a 90 minute movie to a fresh audience, that's just the harsh reality of it.


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#14 | Back to Top12-11-2008 01:14:36 PM

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Re: WHY?!?

You don't have to be a super nerd to be reluctant about a movie that changes so much a character which belongs to your memories, too. Yes, it's normal that they change him, happens in the adaptations of about every manga / book / whatever show, but this one, as any other, is not going to fit everyone's expectatives. (Certainly not mine.) emot-smile

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#15 | Back to Top12-11-2008 01:28:12 PM

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Sure, but I think there's a point in taking way too far. It is, after all, just entertainment. I could wager that I'm probably one of the biggest DB fans on the forum (since around 1994 or 1995) and I'm really excited for the movie. Regardless of what they've changed there's no way it's going to be any worse than GT (past the space travel episodes) or the old Chinese live action movie. It'll be nice to see a new take on it, in my opinion.


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#16 | Back to Top12-11-2008 02:10:21 PM

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Re: WHY?!?

I just try to look at everything outside of the original canon as fan fiction. Sometimes it's interesting and good fan fiction. Sometimes it's heartbreakingly terrible and you wonder what crack the person who created it was taking at the time.

*shrug*


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#17 | Back to Top12-11-2008 02:34:44 PM

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Re: WHY?!?

I usually don't make a big deal when it comes to different versions of the same story and characters, because I tackle them as separate things. That doesn't, however, stop me from commenting how much better or worse something could have been done and how significantly it differs from the original, which I mostly tend to favor to any adaptation or spin-off. That said, I never found Dragonball intellectual enough to take it very seriously. It's just entertainment fun and this live action film looks promisingly trashy and bad. emot-biggrin

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#18 | Back to Top12-11-2008 04:38:44 PM

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Re: WHY?!?

Ew.  Yes, it's an adaptation, but...it looks so insanely different. Like *really* different. In a bad way. James Marsters...emot-gonk


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#19 | Back to Top12-11-2008 05:24:35 PM

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Re: WHY?!?

Personally, I just disliked the whole Dragonball franchise. I hate the animation style, the lack of story, just... all of it. Guh. I could go on endlessly about the things I dislike with regards to that whole sorry show.

Which is why it offends me that a man I happen to find extremely attractive is involved with this.


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#20 | Back to Top12-11-2008 08:08:21 PM

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Re: WHY?!?

...I...I don't know what to think.

But I fangirled anyway.

It looks so lolalicious. school-devil

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#21 | Back to Top12-11-2008 10:52:08 PM

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Re: WHY?!?

It burns!emot-gonk Is it just me or does piccolo look like the bad guy from the first the Mask movie?


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#22 | Back to Top12-12-2008 12:22:51 AM

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Re: WHY?!?

Well, I'm a little afraid, but I like Dragonball, so I'll probably see this movie regardless.


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#23 | Back to Top12-12-2008 12:37:00 AM

Madam Cheezy
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Re: WHY?!?

I was (and still am, to a point) a heavy Dragonball fan.

But, like the others have said, everything looks so entirely different from what we've all come to know and love. And, call me dumb, but, if you can't even remotely stick to what was put out there in the first place, then you're not doing the fans any sort of service. Like, okay, they want to make Goku a white guy. Fine, whatever. And, Piccolo looks.....okay, he's not so bad. But Bulma looks like she's some sort of Charlie's Angels rip-off, and Roshi looks almost 180 from what he should be. I mean, this Roshi looks more like E. Honda than Roshi.

And, that's just on looks, mind you. The plot looks wanky, and correct me if I'm wrong but, wasn't Goku like, 8 when he crashed to earth/got his orange gi? I know it's been quite a while since I've seen/read this stuff, but even my mom, who, mind you, is 55, and had a girl-crush on Trunks and adult Gohan, said that it looked stupid.

But, y'know, I cant really condemn people for at least giving it a shot.
A poor, badly aimed one, in my opinion, but maybe I'm being too judgmental.


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#24 | Back to Top12-12-2008 06:21:49 AM

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Re: WHY?!?

Madam Cheezy wrote:

A poor, badly aimed one, in my opinion, but maybe I'm being too judgmental.

Nah. You're just being honest about how you feel. etc-love I could very much relate. Unlike those who enjoy Asian horror film remakes and video games/anime being made into motion pictures, I don't. I stick to the original and if they can't be faithful to the elements that made the game/anime famous, they might as well drop the idea: my two scents of course. emot-wink


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#25 | Back to Top12-13-2008 11:07:52 AM

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Re: WHY?!?

Leroy wrote:

What were you guys expecting? It's a live action Dragon Ball movie, not a meditation on the holocaust.

emot-rofl


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