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#1 | Back to Top06-19-2010 07:03:25 PM

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Labwork and you! A huge, awesome guide by House, almost-RN

I figured this warrants its own thread, but the subject of a breakdown of my labwork came up in my surgery progress thread, and some small amount of interest was shown in me actually going through the report and explaining everything. Since this is good review for me, I figure, have at it! I warn you, this is long and boring. As such, I’ll be posting it in chunks as I write it, rather than attempts to slam the whole thing down your throats at once. I'm serious, guys. This is long, and very thorough. I'm putting four years of nursing school in this thing, including all the stuff we're expected to forget a week after the exams.

What is labwork? Well any time you go to a hospital, get surgery, whatever else, labwork is going to be drawn on you. Even if you get rush emergency room surgery, this stuff got done, the results just came in after the operation. If your doctor thinks you have anemia or a urinary tract infection, some labwork is going to get done. Different labs break down the information in slightly different ways, so I’ll go with how this lab did it, which is how most do. All this information required three blood draws (one stick, but fills three of those little color-coded vials) and some pee. The labwork I have here is the general array for pre-operative evaluation: blood chemistry, hematology, coagulation factors, and urinalysis. My surgeon also pulled an Rh factor, as most careful ones will. Also, since I'm female and in my prime, a pregnancy test was done.

Why should you give a crap? Well for one, it’s how your body works, and the dizzying complexity and awesomeness of that warrants some attention. For two…think of it as being a better consumer. Health these days IS a consumer industry, but like computers and car repair, the consumer rarely knows anything about the product they pay for. Are you likely to catch a doctor in error? Probably not, any more than you’re likely to catch someone not changing your oil, even if you know how yourself. But this is still useful information and helps you get a better perspective of how the process of diagnosis and treatment works, and it will better prepare you for the occasional jargon happy doctor that’s going to mention your amylase and lipase levels while you’re curled up in pain in the ER and only vaguely give a crap. That said, a lot of stuff you SHOULD KNOW will come of this discussion. Though your hemoglobin level itself may not be that important, how it changes, what it means, and how you can take care of yourself ARE.

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Blood Chemistry
The chemistry report evaluates your liver, kidney, and pancreatic function, the presence of electrolytes, and suggests your acid-base balance. (Suggests only, arterial blood gases are required for definitive diagnosis.) Think of chemistry as the chemicals and little bits in your blood, as opposed to the hematology report, which breaks down the actual cells. I’m going to sort the readings by the general use of them, since they tend to come in inter-related chunks.

4/16/2010 - Before first surgery.
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5/13/2010 - Before second surgery; three weeks after first.
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school-eng101    Glucose Serum
school-eng101    Kidney Function (BUN, Creatinine, BUN/Creatinine Ratio, and Glomerular Filtration Rate)


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#2 | Back to Top06-19-2010 07:15:33 PM

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Re: Labwork and you! A huge, awesome guide by House, almost-RN

If you eat right and exercise, you probably won’t get diabetes. Or: Glucose serum.

Glucose Serum - The amount of glucose in the blood. Glucose is the primary fuel for cellular metabolism. Glucose serum is what's available for use in the cells, however, it cannot get to them without a transport: insulin. The body releases insulin in response to the blood glucose level and perception of need. An excess of glucose in the blood is bad for you since it makes the blood solute-heavy. This thicker blood is the reason capillary damage is done to long-term diabetics: ruined capillaries are why their blood flow to their feet is shot, why their vision gets ruined, and why they suffer kidney damage. The body will try to excrete excess glucose through the urine, which is why sugary pee is a sign of diabetes. It will also try to excrete more insulin. The problem is the body eventually becomes insulin-resistant as well as unable to produce enough of it.

Generally serum glucose is only relevant if you’re a diabetic, in which case it’s constantly relevant, which is why you have to stick yourself fifty trillion times a day. Generally it’s only going to change much in a normal, healthy person by drinking a McDonald’s milkshake. Otherwise, glucose tends not to be indicative of anything, but hypo or hyperglycemia can result from many things, and is closely monitored in acute care settings for this reason.

Hyperglycemia (high blood glucose), apart from diabetic causes, is caused primarily as part of the stress response. The body sees it’s in trouble and releases glucose into the blood for quick use. Glucose is required for aerobic metabolism in the muscle, which is why distance runners ‘carb-load’ the day before, so tons of glucose is available to burn as they stress their body. (This excess is stored, however, it’s not like they spend all night with a blood glucose level of 300.) Since the body releases glucose in response to stress, you see hyperglycemia in situations such as infection or acute distress caused by things like strokes and heart attacks. In these situations of acute insult or considerable glucose demand, hyperglycemia is often followed by hypoglycemia. In a healthy person, the body quickly notices it’s out of glucose and stops pumping out insulin. Someone who is acutely ill is less likely to respond quickly when the glucose store is depleted. A lot of drugs also tend to raise glucose levels; these include primarily ones that tamper with that fight-flight stress system for one reason or another: beta-blockers for blood pressure, epinephrine for anaphylaxis, corticosteroids for inflammation, and amphetamines are among these.

Hypoglycemia (low glucose) can occur in any situation that severely disrupts the absorption of glucose in the body, such as severe starvation, vomiting, or diarrhea. It can also occur if there’s too much insulin in your body, so that tissue uptake of glucose is so great there’s none left in the blood. Insulin overdose is one major reason for this, and is an excellent way to try to kill a pain in the ass wife if you’re Claus von Bulow. Pancreatic tumors also can overproduce insulin, as can an array of hormonal disorders and disruptions that tamper with the delicate cascade that regulates insulin and glucose: hypopituitarism (which messes with a whole lot of hormones, insulin included) and adrenal insufficiency (same) are the big ones. Extremely acute situations such as massive tissue injury (burns), sepsis (bacterial invasion of the blood), and multiple organ system failure (cute way of saying you’re dying) will also cause hypoglycemia, as your body consumes glucose in mass quantities trying to fight the good fight.

My glucose levels are quite normal. The second is right on the cusp of low, but that’s because I usually do this bloodwork before I’ve had anything to eat that day. I’m an evening eater. emot-frown


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#3 | Back to Top06-19-2010 07:23:33 PM

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Re: Labwork and you! A huge, awesome guide by House, almost-RN

How are your kidneys doing? Pissing good? Let’s discuss: Kidney Function

Who's on the field?
BUN (Blood Urea Nitrogen) – A metabolic waste product created when the body breaks down protein. Eat a steak, produce this. You piss it out.
Creatinine Serum – Another metabolic waste product, this of muscle metabolism. It is also supposed to get pissed out. It’s the waste byproduct of the use of creatine, which for those in the know is a popular bodybuilding supplement, taken on the premise that giving muscle more of the component it needs to build will improve its capacity to do so. This is true to a degree, and only if you actually make the muscle need to consume the creatine. Taking it and sitting on your ass does nothing.
BUN/Creatinine Ratio – The ratio of the two above. This number is simply the lab doing math for you.
Glomerular Filtration Rate – This is the thing in the kidneys that’s supposed to be letting the BUN and creatinine out of the door. Your GFR on a blood test is actually calculated based on your creatinine with other factors, such as age, gender, and race considered, so it’s not a reading in and of itself, but uses other readings to give basically an estimate of your kidneys’ ability to process blood. In my case, my kidneys are cleaning out 120-odd milliliters of blood every minute. (Obviously, this is different from producing 120 milliliters of urine. That would suck because you’d never stop peeing.)

What do you need to know about the kidneys for this to make sense?
Not much. The important structures here are the glomerulus and the renal tubules. Think of the glomerulus as a strainer; if it’s larger than a red blood cell, it doesn’t get through. Negatively charged smaller proteins (such as albumin) also don’t pass through due to a membrane in the glomerulus that repels them. (NERD ALERT: Small negatively charged anions such as chloride do pass through this membrane, since the cells aren’t close together enough to repel such small blood components.) In other words, a whole lot of stuff you don’t want to piss out passes through here. The renal tubules come after this; these tubes run closely to blood vessels to allow for reabsorption by various means along the tubes. At different points along the tube, diffusion, osmosis, and active transport all conspire to retain things the blood needs to keep. Keep in mind that this filtration system relies on material only spending so long within it—filtration pressure, as such, is important. Also, drugs and hormones that influence the retention and excretion of water, sodium, and a billion other things, mostly all act on these tubules. Knowing the difference between these two things is important becaaause…

BUN and creatinine are used together because while both indicate that you’re not getting rid of waste, the two in conjunction tell you where the problem is, and whether the insult is at the glomerulus or in the tubules or elsewhere. BUN and creatinine both filter through the glomerulus normally. They’re different in that creatinine does not get reabsorbed later in the tubules, while some BUN does get pulled back into the blood. The other key difference is that BUN levels are influenced by short term behaviors such as your diet, where creatinine level is determined by how much muscle you have, and so doesn’t change quickly. Your BUN goes up if you eat a steak, but your creatinine will only increase if you pack on a significant amount of muscle, which takes longer.

What does this mean? Any situation where the creatinine is abnormally high is indicative of kidney problems in glomerulus. If the BUN is also elevated, but in proportion to the creatinine (high levels of both with a normal ratio), the problem is postrenal, or after the kidneys; it’s an obstruction of some kind in the urinary tract, such as kidney stones or severe enlarged prostate. Blockage past the kidneys causes the urine produced to back up, leading to what’s called hydronephrosis, where the kidneys become distended with fluid and the cellular function is destroyed. Think of it as trying to squeeze water through a coffee filter instead of letting it pass on its own—you’ll break the filter eventually.
If they are both high but disproportionately so (low BUN/Cr ratio), it means that the kidney’s not only failing to pass them through the glomerulus as well as it should, but it’s also failing to pull back in some of the BUN; the tubule system that comes after is also shot. A postrenal insult as mentioned in the above paragraph will eventually lead to this, which is intrarenal or intrinsic renal failure. The low BUN/Cr ratio is temporary, however. As the damage progresses, neither BUN nor creatinine will get to the tubule system, which must occur for the ratio to be low.

A high BUN/Cr ratio can indicate many things, however.  Regardless of the ratio, if the creatinine is still normal, kidney damage has not occurred, but many of the reasons for a high Bun:Cr ratio are eventually going to damage the kidney.
If your BUN/Cr ratio is high but you are not diagnosed with kidney failure and you’re in no pain, you’re probably eating too much protein. BUN is the waste product of protein breakdown, so if it’s high, it could simply be that you’re breaking down lots of it, and while your kidneys are handling the normal workload of the creatinine just fine, and you’re throwing more BUN at them than they can rid the body of quickly. Put down the protein shake and the rump roast, you stupid gym-rat. (This excess of BUN produced by eating protein is the reason that people with kidney failure, including those on dialysis, eat low-protein diets. This is about the only situation ever where such a diet is promoted.)
Oh? BUN/Cr ratio is high and you don’t eat ten steaks and a pound of whey powder a day? Well remember that creatinine is an indicator of kidney damage. But if the BUN is elevated without any excessive intake of protein, something’s still wrong. Remember what I said about filtration pressure? Both BUN and creatinine are passing through the glomerulus  as they should, but the remaining product isn’t being pushed through the renal tubules where return diffusion of BUN occurs, and while it sits there, more BUN is being diffused into the blood than normal. Dehydration, blood loss, and heart failure are all things that mess with your body’s ability to shove blood into the kidneys to get cleaned out, and they’re all situations where the BUN will rise in proportion to the creatinine. This is bad, because the kidneys are very use-em-or-lose-em. If the blood isn’t reaching the kidneys efficiently enough to get cleaned, it’s also not reaching them efficiently enough to perfuse them, and the filtration system can croak on you if you don’t keep pressure on it. This is often how acute renal failure occurs. Lose a limb, bleed too much, and congrats, not only have you got no leg, but you’re on dialysis. Renal failure, by the way, can occur by the opposite as well—uncontrolled high blood pressure can pound on your kidneys so hard you blow them out. My first patient was a 30 year old on dialysis for the rest of his life because he didn’t take blood pressure medication—in every other respect, he was perfectly healthy. That sucks, and it was completely preventable.

There is another major reason for a high BUN with a normal creatinine (high ratio), based on the same principle of excess protein breakdown, but without anything in your diet to cause that. This is an upper gastrointestinal bleed, especially in the absence of vomiting blood. Why? Think about it—your GI system doesn’t distinguish self from non-self, you fill it with blood and it’s going to process all that yummy protein, whether the blood’s yours or a cow’s. If you’re not vomiting blood, but you’re bleeding into your GI system, you know what’s probably wrong with you? Your pancreas. You sir, probably have pancreatitis and are in more pain than anyone else can imagine because you’re literally digesting your insides. This is most commonly caused by alcoholism or gallstones, which occur more frequently in overweight people. If you present in a hospital with severe abdominal pain, on top of this regular bloodwork, your amylase and lipase levels will be taken. Mine weren’t because they’re only drawn for differential diagnosis, but amylase and lipase are pancreatic enzymes responsible for breaking down the carbs and fats you eat. If they’re elevated in the blood, your pancreas is spilling them, and their ratio can be used to indicate when this began.
school-eng101 For the nerdy House FYI, in a differential diagnosis, if these are normal when you come into the ER with severe abdominal pain, the most likely cause is appendicitis. If you’re a female of childbearing years, your beta-HCG level (more on that later) is also drawn, to rule out an ectopic pregnancy, which presents the same. By the by, your nurse probably drew these labs based on ‘standing orders’, or a doctor’s orders pre-written based on criteria such as abdominal pain. Standing orders are an interesting legal grey area where nurses are given responsibility above and beyond their scope of practice using paper loopholes. That sucks.

In summary, BUN and creatinine are first and foremost about the kidneys. Pancreatitis can also be strongly indicated by them, but the amylase and lipase are what’s important there, and furthermore, no one stumbles across pancreatitis because of its severe symptoms. Kidney function problems can, however, be discovered in labwork before symptoms really become evident. In the case of surgery, making sure your ability to filter waste is good and consistent with your age is important information, especially for the anesthesiologist, who may have to alter his dosages or the drugs he uses based on the efficiency of your kidneys. While most drugs are metabolized in the liver, the kidneys still need to remove the resulting product, or the metabolite, which in some cases is toxic if built up, or has another undesired effect. Some drugs are actually active after the liver processes them for removal, which means if the kidneys don’t filter that product, the drug itself is building up.

As you can see, my BUN, creatinine, their ratio, and consequently my GFR, are all within normal range. In fact they’re like smack dab in the middle. So I guess I don’t need to worry about that. (Interestingly, my protein intake is pretty high compared to the average, which tells you exactly how much of a maniac you have to be to over-consume protein. And yet stupid Ahnald wannabes do this surprisingly often.)


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#4 | Back to Top06-20-2010 03:19:06 AM

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Re: Labwork and you! A huge, awesome guide by House, almost-RN

I eagerly await this. Not reading now cause, dude, 4 am. I'm coming back though.

No one ever explains labwork, and I get results back and they're like HRM and I'm like HRM WHAT?!!? TELL MEEE and they don't explain shit.

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#5 | Back to Top07-09-2010 11:53:22 PM

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Re: Labwork and you! A huge, awesome guide by House, almost-RN

This is pretty interesting, Gio. I love behind the curtain stuff like this—expert knowledge in practical fields. Also, I can never decide whether living beings are ridiculously, insanely freaking complicated or the most elegant machines ever to arise in the universe.

Quick question: you said hyperglycemia damages the capillaries. What affect does hypoglycemia have? Stops the muscles from functioning properly? emot-confused (Uh, if I could have the answer in "captain dummy-talk," that'd be great. I'm not going to understand anything particularly technical.)


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#6 | Back to Top07-10-2010 04:40:51 PM

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The capillary damage is a long-term side effect of the added viscosity of the blood when there's too much sugar in it, but hypoglycemia doesn't have the opposite problem, and is almost never a sustained state. A lot of acute illnesses and severe injury will cause hypoglycemia (as the body exhausts stores fighting infection/bleeding/whathaveyou) but most cases are related to insulin overdose. The glucose doesn't disappear when that happens of course, it's just taken up by cells, but since the body functions based on what's in the blood, glucose that is in the cells doesn't count to it and all the defensive mechanisms will occur in the absence of glucose in blood.

But to answer your question more directly, the first, most important, and primary problem of hypoglycemia is that your brain needs sugar to function, and is less equipped than the rest of the body to put up with even very short periods of reduced access to it. A hypoglycemic state appears a lot like being drunk as the brain functions less and less at proper capacity: fatigue, a lack of coordination, stupor, impaired judgment, and eventually things like jerky movements and respiratory distress. These are all neurological symptoms. The other umbrella of symptoms relates to the massive hormonal response to a hypoglycemic state; the brain sees this as a huge emergency and all troops are activated to compensate. The fight/flight response gets turned on, so your body is flooded with adrenaline and epinephrine (as well as glucagon stored in the body to provide fuel), so on top of stumbling around and slurring words because your brain is running at minimal capacity, you're also sweaty, your pupils are dilated, and your heart's racing like it wants to explode. This state, as you can imagine, requires more fuel than normal, so part of your body's response to a loss of fuel is...consuming more of it. There are evolutionary reasons for this, since it's a system in place to maximize short term survival and not long term maintenance. (For example if your sugar drops because of a starvation state, the body figures you need a little more pep in your step to go kill a boar or something.) But actually, all of these symptoms occur before the muscles stop functioning from lack of juice. You'll probably slip into a coma before that.

It's interesting to look at how the body reacts to trauma in terms of survival versus overall wisdom. We have very complex mechanisms of self-treatment in place that kept us alive when lions were chasing us but in a medical situation now are actually as much the enemy as the original problem was because our medical foresight toward the end result is better for us than the body's short term attempts not to die.

Anyway hope that answers your question! emot-smile I invite more...I haven't forgotten the thread but the last two weeks have been brutal for anything like structured thought. emot-frown


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#7 | Back to Top07-10-2010 07:39:55 PM

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Re: Labwork and you! A huge, awesome guide by House, almost-RN

Giovanna wrote:

A hypoglycemic state appears a lot like being drunk as the brain functions less and less at proper capacity: fatigue, a lack of coordination, stupor, impaired judgment, and eventually things like jerky movements and respiratory distress.

You have just described my everyday existence!

Giovanna wrote:

I haven't forgotten the thread but the last two weeks have been brutal for anything like structured thought.

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#8 | Back to Top07-11-2010 01:02:55 AM

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Giovanna wrote:

Anyway hope that answers your question! emot-smile I invite more...I haven't forgotten the thread but the last two weeks have been brutal for anything like structured thought. emot-frown

Yes it does! Thanks for sharing your wisdom :bows: emot-wink And hope you feel better.


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#9 | Back to Top07-15-2010 05:50:41 PM

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Re: Labwork and you! A huge, awesome guide by House, almost-RN

I'm a microbiologist, and I approve of this thread. school-eng101

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