This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#1 | Back to Top09-07-2010 10:21:14 PM

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The Rules - 09/07/10

Guideline to This Forum – Shoujo Kakumei Utena

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#2 | Back to Top09-07-2010 10:22:15 PM

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Re: The Rules - 09/07/10

~The Mods of In the Rose Garden Present~
There's An App For That: How To Be Offended on IRG

Here in IRG, we're unified by our enjoyment of Shoujo Kakumei Utena -- and by little else!  As of this writing, we have over 700 representatives here from across every spectrum you care to name: atheists and Mormons, Europeans and Australians, 4chan comedians and Shakesville feminists, the gay, the transgendered, and even the straight (!).  With such diversity, you're guaranteed a broad set of perspectives on any topic related to Utena or, for that matter, to life.  And by "a broad set of perspectives," I mean disagreement. 

Disagreement is good.  We come away from it with a broadened appreciation of things old and new.  What's not so good is when a disagreement turns personal on a forum thread.  That kind of argument derails threads and makes well-intentioned people feel lynch-mobbed.  When your emotions run high, ask yourself if you want the other person to take back what they said, apologize for it, and/or never say it again.  If so, for the sake of argument, we will say you are offended.  That is no state of mind in which to conduct a discussion in a room of 700 people.

That doesn't mean you have to abandon being offended!  On the contrary, you're entitled to it, and good can come out of it.  But you do need to shrink the size of the room.  You can do that in three ways!

1. Can you shrink the room to one person?  Stand up.  Take a walk.  Maybe have a nap, or at least a pretzel.  Then sit back down. Are you still offended?  If not, congratulations, you've solved the problem!  But if you're still offended, move to the next step.

2. Can you shrink the room to two people?  Could you talk one-on-one with the person who offended you?  If so, PM them and tell them how you feel.  Understand that they probably won't jump down your throat and may have had no idea they would offend someone!  So don't be abusive; say what you mean in a tactful and responsible way. They should do the same, whether that means apologizing or holding firm.  See if you can reach an understanding.  If this doesn't work, you can always try the third way.

3. Can you shrink the room to three or five people?  PM a moderator, or use the Report button on the offending post, and explain the situation to us.  We'll deal with the situation anonymously on your behalf, whether or not we agree with you!  "Dealing with the situation" usually doesn't mean discipline; it means sharing your concerns and seeing if we can find a solution through -- well -- moderation!

If none of these work, can you trot out your wounded dignity in front of 700 people?  Well, actually, no, you can't.  That would pressure the other person -- and everyone listening -- to stop contributing or run their posts through your filters before posting.  When we're all trying to pass through 700 people's filters, the forum asphyxiates.  (Have you ever tried to breathe through 700 layers of cloth? )  Instead, it's best to accept that when you interact with people with different backgrounds and expectations, sometimes you get offended. It is your personal responsibility to deal with it in a mature and reasonable manner, the same way it is in real life.

When all is said and done, shrinking the room will turn dramabombs into more relaxed and productive discussions that don't oppress the peace of the forum.  No one's asking Saionji to make an omelette without breaking eggs; we just ask that he throw the eggshells into the above-enumerated receptacles instead of onto the floor, where we all have to walk on them.  And with that tortured metaphor, we bid you happy SKUing!



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