This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#1 | Back to Top03-02-2007 06:43:46 PM

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To the stars.....

Akio and I have a couple of things in common....we love cars...women..mythology...and the stars..which lead me to make this thread..

Why is it that most myths are associated with the stars? Why are we so fixated on stars in space in the first place?
Is it our way of trying to find a way to connect to the world that is out of our reach..much like the castle where eternity dwells?


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#2 | Back to Top03-02-2007 07:18:24 PM

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Re: To the stars.....

Add for me the color red, cooking, and tall buildings. school-devil (Oh yeah, and the devil. Hah!)

I don't think all or even most myths are associated with the stars, though a great deal of them are. There's the heavy weight of the Greek and Roman mythology in play here, and the stars factor highly into it. But then you take a lot of the Native American mythology and they have as many stories for rivers, plants, and animals as they do for stars. I agree though that space is something mythology comes back to again and again, especially when it comes time to write the creation stories.

I wonder if it has something to do with that most cultures have imagined the Gods being apart from us but present, looking down as a parent looks down to observe the behavior of a child. That inky expanse becomes the natural habitat for such creatures, positioning them above us and present, but completely out of our reach. And really, the sky is a confusing and amazing thing to try and explain. Clouds, rain, the sun, the moon, the stars that turn in a repeating pattern over the months...add to that the cultures that had to explain the Milky Way and the auroras, and it's just all this creative potential centered on one thing. I don't think anything else in nature can appear so mysterious as the sky, even when it's perfectly predictable, as is the case with the stars and moon. Rivers, animals, plants, we interacted with these things in a way that gave us an understanding of them that the sky denied early cultures. Your culture might have a very clever origin story about the first camels, or how the river came to be, but you interact with those things every day, you ride camels and wash your feet in a river. No one ever touches the stars.


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#3 | Back to Top03-02-2007 09:41:31 PM

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Re: To the stars.....

"The stars belong to no one,"

But yeah, Gio said everything I could and more. The stars, the moon, sun and other planets are 'heavenly bodies' after all. They exist up there in a realm (until very recently) beyond human reach, it's pretty easy to deify them. (I have a Utena fic running around in my head about the story of creation; using Anthy, Dios and Akio. I swear I'll write it someday.)


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#4 | Back to Top03-02-2007 10:18:04 PM

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Re: To the stars.....

I am no expert at all but I am not so sure that most myths do. The Arabs and the Chinese and the Greeks systematically gave names to hundreds and hundreds of stars whereas I have heard the Japanese gave names to just a few. Still the Japanese do have their legend of the two lovers who became stars and who meet just once a year (I forgot the details.)

However intertwined with this in Utena is the idea of time and celestial revolution.

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#5 | Back to Top03-02-2007 10:36:59 PM

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Re: To the stars.....

Well, symbolically speaking, blue tends to represent eternity. Krishna is typically painted blue in Hindu art to reflect the aspects of eternity and infinity, not because legend says he was blue.

Stems from the fact that the only visible example of something that seemed eternal or infinite were the skies or the seas -both of which tended to be blue.

Black also seems to have connotations of eternity, but mostly the negative ones -you know, abyss, eternal loneliness, etc., etc.

I've always liked how much of the sky you see in Utena, it's a concious reminder that what we think is eternal really isn't.

It's only marginally on topic, but it is what I think of when I think about Akio's "obsession" with the stars and skies. I don't think it's the stars, so much as it's that ancient belief that the sky is eternal. But just because something extends farther out of our understanding then we can truly comprehend, does that make it infinite, or eternal? And are eternity and infinity linkable in this case, or even similar? Hmmm...


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