This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#1 | Back to Top01-09-2009 11:42:40 PM

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Word game x poetry = crazy times!

FIRST-LETTER CHANGE (*4, 4)
Anthy-on-Utena!  ONE-on-Shiori!
Sexcapades featuring nary a dick!
The all-female action you find at Ohtori
Reminds me why TWO is the best kind of fic.


What the hell is it?  Just a silly poem.  Well, that's not quite right.  It's a silly little poem with two of the words removed.  See the ONE and TWO in there?  That's where I took out words.

Why did you take them out?  Because the object of the game is for you to figure out what they are, of course!

How am I supposed to do that?  Two ways.  First, context!  You might be able to guess what words the ONE and TWO stand for based on context alone.  Second -- well, that's where the wordplay comes in.

Wordplay?  See the title line?  FIRST-LETTER CHANGE?  That means that the two words I took out are exactly the same except for their first letter.  For example, "item" and "stem" are a first-letter change because if you change the first letter of "item," you get "stem."  The words I took out of this poem work the same way.

What about the (*4, 4) part?  That tells you the length of the words!  The numbers mean that both words are four letters long.  The asterisk means that the first word is capitalized.

So ONE stands for a capitalized four-letter word?  Exactly.

Like "Miki?"  Well, sure, but it has to make sense in context.  This poem seems to be about girl-on-girl erotica, and Miki is not a girl.  At least, not in the vagina way.

Oh, so it's Juri!  You got it!  ONE stands for Juri -- a capitalized four-letter word, and someone you might expect to find screwing Shiori in a fanfic.

And the second word, TWO, is a first-letter change on Juri, so only the first letter changes?  I couldn't have said it better myself.

Yuri!  Bingo!   TWO stands for yuri.  In a poem about lesbian fanfiction, "yuri is the best kind of fic" is an appropriate closer.  The solution is ONE = Juri, TWO = yuri -- or simply Juri/yuri.

What is this called?  It's called a flat, a mostly forgotten kind of wordplay that has been around for over a century.  There are many different kinds of flats -- that is, not all of them are first-letter changes! -- but they all take the form of poems that have had one or more words removed.  The object is always to guess the removed words, based on context and the nature of the wordplay.

Let me try another one.  Your wish is my command!


LAST-LETTER CHANGE (*5, 5)
She kissed his sword as he decreed.
It glowed with deadly force!
Defeating ONE was TWO indeed!
(But Tenjou won, of course.)


Same rules?  The same, except that this time it's a last-letter change instead of a first-letter change, and the words are five letters long instead of four.  (You can figure all this out by looking at the title line.)

Have at it!  A fiery Pop-Tart for the first to guess what words ONE and TWO stand for!  school-sherlock

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#2 | Back to Top01-10-2009 04:55:58 AM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

satyreyes wrote:

...and Miki is not a girl.  At least, not in the vagina way.

xD

emot-dance
how awesome is this?

i already know! answers are in white, so i don't spoil the surprise for everyone else.

Touga/tough!

school-sherlock

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#3 | Back to Top01-10-2009 11:11:04 AM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

Nicely done!  poptartpoptartpoptart for you emot-smile

One more of the letter-change variety, and then (if there's interest!) I'll move on to new types of flat...

THIRD-LETTER CHANGE (*6, 6)
When the power of miracles beckoned,
FIRST discovered far more than he'd reckoned.
He dissolved in confusion --
No more than illusion --
And melted away like a SECOND.

Same rules?  Mmm hmm, but this time I've used FIRST and SECOND for the words I took out instead of ONE and TWO.  (You can use whatever replacement words you want as long as it's clear which is which.)

Does the word SECOND stands for have to rhyme?  Nope!  The rule is that the replacement words, like FIRST and SECOND, have to fit the rhyme and meter of the poem, but the words they stand for don't.

Good luck!

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#4 | Back to Top01-10-2009 11:29:58 AM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

Mikage/Mirage!

I had to reread the rules for that one...


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#5 | Back to Top01-10-2009 01:45:50 PM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

Well played, Ragnarok!  poptartpoptartpoptart

So now we've seen several letter changes.  How about a new variety of flat?

BEHEADMENT (10, 9)
There's one simple lesson in Utena's story:
"Develop and grow, or you can't leave Ohtori!"
Take Akio: stagnant, a thousand years old,
And bound to his prison of velvet and gold --
While Anthy, whose psyche's in pretty poor shape,
Through SECOND and personal growth, can escape!
Adults keep maturing when things seem their worst,
And that's what it means to bring the world FIRST.

What's a beheadment?  A beheadment is a simple type of flat where you chop off the first letter of a word to form a new word.  For example, "shack" and "hack" is a beheadment -- you chop off the S of shack to make hack.  "Pirate" and "irate" is another example of a beheadment.  The two words removed from this poem have the same sort of relationship: you'll remove the first letter of FIRST to get SECOND.

How long are the words?  As you can tell from the title line, FIRST is ten letters long, while SECOND is nine letters long.

Who can guess this one?  emot-smile

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#6 | Back to Top01-10-2009 02:18:04 PM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

Ooh, ooh! I think I know.

Is it (highlight) evolution, revolution ?

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#7 | Back to Top01-10-2009 03:17:53 PM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

Sure is!  You guys are good at this!  poptartpoptartpoptart  Next up...

TRANSPOSAL (*5, 5)
Naji lives in Portland, ONE.
Her jokes have awesome taste.
Her dubs are sometimes better than
The TWO on which they're based!
I click and watch and pretty soon
I'm rolling on the floor.
O Naji in the Pine Tree State,
When will you make Part Four?

A transposal?  Yes, another new flat type!  A transposal, which normal people call an anagram or a jumble, means that you scramble the letters in one word to get another word.  For instance, "worth" and "throw" are a transposal, as are "carthorse" and "orchestra" -- in both cases, you just rearrange the letters of the first word to get the second.  The same is true of the words ONE and TWO stand for in this flat.

By now you can figure out how long the words are by yourself, so have at it!  school-eng101

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#8 | Back to Top01-10-2009 03:26:41 PM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

Easy. Highlight: Maine/anime

Right? RIGHT!?


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#9 | Back to Top01-10-2009 03:47:25 PM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

Damn straight!  You guys are guessing these a lot faster than I can write them emot-smile  What's impressive is that we've had four flats and four different guessers, which means this thread is way more popular than I expected!  (It also means you guys have a high tolerance for my rotten poetry.)  More later.  In the meantime, if anyone wants to try their hand at composing, feel free!  Here are a few flat types to get the wheels turning...

NTH-LETTER CHANGE: Change the Nth letter.  Juri/yuri, Touga/tough, Mikage/mirage.
BEHEADMENT: Cut off the first letter.  Pirate/irate, revolution/evolution.
CURTAILMENT: Cut off the last letter.  Karate/karat, time/Tim.
DELETION: Delete a letter other than the first or last.  Fjord/Ford, waiter/water.
TRANSPOSAL: Scramble the letters.  Worth/throw, Maine/anime.
REVERSAL: Spell the word backwards.  Time/emit, stressed/desserts.
LETTER SHIFT: Move a letter elsewhere in the word.  Beast/baste, heart/earth.
METATHESIS: Switch two letters.  Rise/sire, bulge/bugle.

Have fun emot-smile

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#10 | Back to Top01-11-2009 04:29:42 AM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

ah! i shall give it a go!
emot-biggrin
...please don't stone me. emot-gonk

FIRST LETTER CHANGE (3,3)
They said the uniform was only for ONE
But, Tenjou looked pretty hot, had some fun...
She fought hard and true,
Became kind of a TWO,
And was gone when the series was done...


okay, go!


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#11 | Back to Top01-11-2009 11:14:40 AM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

Soukougnan wrote:

FIRST LETTER CHANGE (3,3)
They said the uniform was only for ONE
But, Tenjou looked pretty hot, had some fun...
She fought hard and true,
Became kind of a TWO,
And was gone when the series was done...

Hmm, tough one!  It seems like ONE should be easy to guess -- at first glance I was sure it was going to be "men," a three-letter word that fits in the blank -- but I couldn't find a way to change the first letter of "men" to fit in for TWO.  "Boys," "guys," and "males" are too long.

So I put ONE aside and tried thinking about TWO.  It's a hard word to guess from context, but from the previous line about "fighting hard and true" I want it to mean "prince" or "hero."  Or maybe, based on the last line, it should mean "legend."  But I can't think of a three-letter word that means any of those things.

Anyone else having better luck?  emot-smile

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#12 | Back to Top01-11-2009 07:56:58 PM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

holy hell, i did it wrong.
emot-gonkemot-gonkemot-gonk

to atone, i present you with a better one. one that is solvable, anyway. emot-redface

TRANSPOSAL (4,4)

There was once a princess and a prince.
Hate has turned one ONE and one empty since.
She now thinks she's a doll that is broken...
And all that he offers up as a token
To show that he truly does still care
Is the act of covering their bodies
In a TWO of the un-princess's hair.





and, if you were wondering, this is what the answer to the stupid one i screwed up:
boy/toy...i kind of forgot the whole "tenses" thing.  x_xschool-sherlock

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#13 | Back to Top01-11-2009 08:11:55 PM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

There you go!  Nice one, Soukou!  The answer, if I'm right, is evil/veil.  I especially liked the second word, because there was plenty of "cluing" -- there aren't that many four-letter words that describe things you can cover up bodies with.  My first thought was "cape."  My second thought was right.  emot-smile

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#14 | Back to Top01-11-2009 09:03:09 PM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

emot-dance
how pleased am i? even though that poem is kind of terrible. emot-rolleyes

anyway, the first is actually... it's vile, though "evil" works, too. whited out, so that you can have the chance to come up with it yourself, if you want. nodnod

but, you still get burning pop tarts for having both answers that work. poptartpoptartpoptart


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#15 | Back to Top05-15-2011 01:36:44 AM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

Necro'd more than two years later because I feel like it!  emot-smile  I wonder if anyone remembers how to play.  It's a good thing the FAQ in the first post still exists!

CHARADE (7)
A girl can't just become a WHOLE
With any sword she hefts.
She has to train, and have a goal.
She has to pay her LEFTs.
She has to master how to fight.
A ring she has to find --
Unless she's on Mikage's RIGHT,
In which case, never mind!


What is this?  It's a flat!  Go read the first post to learn what's going on here.

I already did that.  I meant, what's a charade?  Good question!  A charade is a flat type where you stick two words together to make a longer word.  For example, scar + city = scarcity.  That means that three words are left out of the poem: the long word, and the two shorter words that make it up.  In this flat, your job is to find the seven-letter word -- WHOLE -- that is made up of the two shorter words LEFT and RIGHT.  LEFT plus RIGHT should equal WHOLE.

Why is that called a charade?  Hey, I don't make the rules, I just pass them along.

How long are LEFT and RIGHT?  I'm not telling.  Still, you know they have to add up to seven letters.

Do the words have to rhyme properly?  Nope!  The poem has to rhyme on the surface, but the secret words don't have to fit the rhyme scheme.

What if I can't get it?  Then try this one instead!


CONSONANTCY (*6, 6)
It used to be women the Chairman would plunder.
But when he took Touga, it made us all wonder:
Does ONE prefer gentlemen, up in his tower?
Or is he a TWO guy who'll play gay for power?


What's a consonantcy?  It's a flat type where each of the hidden words contains the same consonants, in the same order, but different vowels.  For instance, "acorn" and "ocarina" form a consonantcy because they both use the consonants C, R, and N in that order.  In this flat, both the missing words are six letters long, and ONE is capitalized.

Have fun!  emot-smile

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#16 | Back to Top05-15-2011 10:17:55 PM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

Charade: duelist/due/list.

Consonantcy: Ohtori/hetero.

I can haz poptarts? emot-biggrin


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#17 | Back to Top05-15-2011 10:25:19 PM

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Re: Word game x poetry = crazy times!

KillerxXxQueen sweeps it!  poptartpoptartpoptart + poptartpoptartpoptart

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