This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#1 | Back to Top08-20-2011 09:39:49 PM

QQQQQ
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Your Enneagram of Personality

In my constant wonderings about the inner self and soul, I stumble across a model of personality type. Enneagrams of Personality it's called. It's one way to ascertain who you are, and what you want out of life.

There's 9 distinct types in all, where each type description might remind you of some people you already know. (http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/descript.asp)

Here's one test about your type, if you're piqued: http://www.eclecticenergies.com/enneagram/test.php. I recommend the first Classic test, as it's more definitive asking. From what I've taken of it, it says I'm a 4w5 an individualist/investigator. Someone who likes to cherish identity and emotion, as well as withdraw and observe the world.

What might be your type?

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#2 | Back to Top08-20-2011 10:28:34 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

I'm a 4w5 as well, followed closely by a 4w3. I'd say the descriptions are pretty accurate of my personality. Thanks for the link, I feel like I did some soul-searching. emot-smile

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#3 | Back to Top08-20-2011 10:34:01 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

It's a hobby of mine, when I like to look closely at other people and characters - and it helps me get the gist of where someone's "coming from" in their desires. I also happen to have a 4 wing 3 also (3 being 'The Achiever' architype), where I have some urges to outshine in what I like doing. But things can turn badly though as I tend to feel envious at once. We must be soul-mates!

The Enneagram is interesting if you look at it through Utena, because in fact each of the nine types (if you boil it down) are actually ego barriers which you must overcome, in order to unlock your true divine self and your potential beneath the shoddy self-image you've possessed. If the egg's shell does not break, the chick will die without being born. If the (ego's) shell does not break, we will die without being born.

i.e. for Fours like me and Miki-sempai, they ultimately want to be loved for their uniqueness in the World, because they fear they'll have no identity or personal significance whatsoever. That the world will forget them when they're gone. So they have very high self-awareness; looking inwards for meaning, and express themselves with their prolific creative output. But they can wallow so deep in their emotions, and ultimately get depressed for feeling 'defective' and apart from everybody. Wahh!

The key is to transcend the ego and use your innate gifts for an ultimate good. The Four when he/she does this become humanists. It's called Integration.

Here's a page from TV Tropes which'll give a good summary of it: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheEnneagram

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#4 | Back to Top08-21-2011 05:26:28 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

I appear to be a 2w1-a helper-perfectionist. I wish so much to be helpful and yet, I see so much I want to do and correct and help with, especially things like social justice. I had issues as a teen with my view on my self-worth, mostly because I felt useless, unneeded and I was highly isolated for weeks at a time where I wouldn't see anyone.

Nowadays, I feel a strong want/need/desire to help others and find justice and maybe make things better. So yep. Pegged.


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#5 | Back to Top08-21-2011 06:57:16 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

Im a 5w6.


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#6 | Back to Top08-21-2011 07:45:37 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

I've taken Enneagram tests before, including the print kind, but I liked this one more than most emot-smile  I came out as 4w5, as usual, but this test rated me higher on 9 than I got when I took the test a few years ago; it was my second highest attribute, very close on the heels of 4.  Maybe it's just because this is a different test, or maybe it's actual change.

4w5 is consistent with how I sometimes describe myself on the websites where one does that sort of thing: part poet and part scientist, with neither half being very good at it emot-smile  On the other hand, the description for Type 9 (peacemaking/trusting/unmotivated) says that Nines often misidentify themselves as Fours (individualist/sensitive/dramatic) or Fives (intellectual/withdrawn/overwhelmed).  I think I need all three to make any sense of myself.  It seems about right to say that I use my Nine faculties to make value judgments, my Five faculties to make judgments about reality, and my Four faculties to make decisions.

I think it would be fascinating if personalities could be categorized, whether it's through the Enneagram, MBTI, the Big Five, or the zodiac if it comes to that.  It's true that good personality tests can give us insight about ourselves and lead us to consider parts of ourselves we normally don't.  But I'm skeptical that they have much to do with reality.  It seems weird to think that there would be only nine components of personality, much less these nine, and it's hard to swallow some of the advanced aspects of the theory -- like wings, directions of integration and disintegration, and so on.  Those parts seem more like mysticism than like science.  Maybe personality is one of those things it's just too hard to apply empiricism to; maybe mysticism really is our best tool for investigating it.  But I hope not!

Unrelatedly: anyone mind if I move this to the Shaved Ice Lounge?  "Take this test and tell us what you got"-type threads usually go there.

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#7 | Back to Top08-21-2011 08:25:56 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

^ Would you also be shocked if I tell you we have only three primary and three secondary colours in our spectrum? But they're only base types, and the Enneagram - if you include wings, instinctual subtypes, and the levels of development, can account for hundreds.. thousands of different kinds of people. Ja. It is funny when you mention it, Science is meant for open-ended thinking, foraying into the unknown.

Hmm.. Shaved Ice lounge seems more for quick posts and having fun; maybe it is better to leave this in General Discussion for some contemplation? I notice there's already an MBTI thread in this section.

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#8 | Back to Top08-21-2011 08:55:23 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

QQQQQ wrote:

^ Would you also be shocked if I tell you we have only three primary and three secondary colours in our spectrum? But they're only base types, and the Enneagram - if you include wings, instinctual subtypes, and the levels of development, can account for hundreds.. thousands of different kinds of people. Ja. It is funny when you mention it, Science is meant for open-ended thinking, foraying into the unknown.

I like the analogy between the primary colors and the Enneagram!  But let's take it a step farther.  To a painter, the primary colors are red, blue, and yellow; you mix them in various proportions to get the other colors of the spectrum.  But to a computer graphic designer, the primary colors are red, green, and blue, which also happen to be the colors to which the cones in our eyes are most receptive.  To a photographer, the primary colors are cyan, yellow, and magenta.  It turns out that each of these sets is good for mixing some colors and not so good for mixing other colors.  Some choices are better than others -- you don't get much range if you pick red, vermilion, and orange as your primary colors -- but you wouldn't say, "these three colors are special, because every other color can be understood as a combination of these three and no others."  That would be an oversimplification.  Primary colors are convenient; they are not definitive.

In the same way, I'd suggest that there's nothing special or definitive about the personality types of the Enneagram: they might do a good job letting us "account for thousands of different kinds of people," as you put it, but the same might be true of any set of nine diverse personalities.  For instance, I bet descriptions of the first nine signs of the zodiac could be combined and mixed to do almost exactly as good a job describing a random person as the Enneagram.  Both systems probably have blind spots and strong points, and I can't think of a reason to think that either one is closer to "the truth about personality" (if such a thing exists) than the other.

One interesting fact about personality typology is that it's possible to do statistical analysis on people's answers.  There have been a number of studies, if memory serves, that show that people's answers tend to be correlated across five dimensions.  The Big Five model of personality tries to put names to those dimensions in order to understand in what ways people are consistent -- which means something like their personality.  Science at work, even if it's tentative science emot-smile

Hmm.. Shaved Ice lounge seems more for quick posts and having fun; maybe it is better to leave this in General Discussion for some contemplation? I notice there's already an MBTI thread in this section.

Haha, we're definitely discussing and contemplating, so GD it is!

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#9 | Back to Top08-21-2011 09:16:40 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

5w6 for me.  Hey, it's not my fault that the world is a scary place I cannot trust and that expressing emotions is gross. 

You know what, I do have to wonder just when modern forms of communication and expression will be taken into consideration; tons of people are far more expressive online than they are in real life, far more passionate, argumentative, stubborn, passive, secretive, what have you.

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#10 | Back to Top08-21-2011 09:30:32 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

I have only taken the classic one currently but I rated as a 2w3. I mostly can see myself in the writeup for a type 2, though I'm definitely more introverted than extroverted. Type 2 rated a 12 for me while my second highest is type 4 at 9, which I can also see chunks of my personality in. It will be interesting to see how the other test rates me.

EDIT: Well the second test scored me as a 2w3 as well so I guess I can't deny that part. emot-tongue It says I'm the self preservation variant which I can very mostly say yes to except I do show emotion once I feel close to others. Pretty surprised that 6 is my third highest on both tests because I see more of it in me then the 3 (if I am understanding the wings correctly and it that is where we shift to). I don't quite figure myself a 3 at all if that is the case, though the first test did say my wings are balanced, so who knows.

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#11 | Back to Top08-21-2011 09:38:21 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

OnlyInThisLight wrote:

5w6 for me.  Hey, it's not my fault that the world is a scary place I cannot trust and that expressing emotions is gross. 

You know what, I do have to wonder just when modern forms of communication and expression will be taken into consideration; tons of people are far more expressive online than they are in real life, far more passionate, argumentative, stubborn, passive, secretive, what have you.

^ That.


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#12 | Back to Top08-21-2011 09:39:45 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

Yest another 5w6, but I'm only .4 away from 8w7, and both 8 and 7 score higher than 6.  So I guess I isolate myself, am prone to confrontation, am easily distracted, and am afraid of the world at large.  Whooooo!  Why is that not on my resume emot-dance?

That sounds about right, actually.

I'll also throw my agreement in with OITL.

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#13 | Back to Top08-21-2011 10:56:17 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

Tests wrote:

Do you have a rich inner fantasy?

You talkin' bout my WoW character?

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#14 | Back to Top08-22-2011 12:08:35 AM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

@Calamity: HIGH FIVES emot-keke 2w3 for me too. I'm such a goody goody emot-redface

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#15 | Back to Top08-22-2011 08:47:21 AM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

chrisb wrote:

@Calamity: HIGH FIVES emot-keke 2w3 for me too. I'm such a goody goody emot-redface

HIGH FIVE! I'm no longer alone in the 2w3 pool! emot-dance Haha it was rather silly to me that so many here are 5w6s and then basically just a few of us were something else. Now you join us! :3

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#16 | Back to Top08-22-2011 09:11:10 AM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

I'm pretty rare - a 6w5 followed by a 6w7 and 9w1.
I'm pretty much a loyalist - in conflict with trust and distrust

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#17 | Back to Top08-23-2011 09:53:22 AM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

^ I'm a 6w5 too

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#18 | Back to Top08-23-2011 10:20:53 AM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

Just took the Enneagram...

According to this... I'm a 9w8. I'm not sure how the "w8" influences the 9, though. emot-confused

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#19 | Back to Top08-23-2011 10:50:29 AM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

I'm apparently a 2w1, followed very closely by 4w5.

I'd say that's quite accurate in many ways, which is ... somewhat frustrating. I don't really like the way I am.


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#20 | Back to Top08-23-2011 02:04:38 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

Both tests give me a 6w5. I wouldn't describe myself as being particularly "loyal" though...


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#21 | Back to Top08-24-2011 12:34:41 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

I'm a 3w2.  I thought it was pretty accurate and interesting.


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#22 | Back to Top08-27-2011 01:52:15 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

I'm also a 6w5. I find this incredibly accurate and insightful.

Thanks for posting this! etc-love

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#23 | Back to Top08-29-2011 08:41:45 AM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

I'm a 3w4. I guess that sounds right.

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#24 | Back to Top08-29-2011 06:19:36 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

Challenger, definitely.

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#25 | Back to Top08-30-2011 05:26:47 PM

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Re: Your Enneagram of Personality

Enneagram Test Results wrote:

Wing 9w8 - 9.4
Wing 9w1 - 9.4
Wing 5w4 - 8.7

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