Maarika wrote:

You know, after you watch certain scenes over and over again countless times, they actually start to make some sense.

Hmm... yes... I suppose that they would... but that just doesn't happen for me with this one scene...

I have plenty of others, but I also want to see what everybody's different interpritations are.

FWIW my pet theory is that any trophy wife is a Rose Bride. Or from a different angle Anthy is the embodiment of all trophy wives.

Most parents tend to alliterate the names of their twins, but Miki and Kozue's names are similar in a different way. Miki's name means, "Trunk," and Kozue's name means "Treetops." If you keep this in mind while watching episode 26, it's easy to catch onto the symbolism. Whether or not this really happened is debatable. I believe that it did happen, I just don't think that it was really Anthy who was there. The reason why such crazy things happen in Utena is because of hidden symbolism.

Notice that the veil over Anthy has a treetop pattern, which relates her to Kozue. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but the shape of the phone that we see shortly after looks like a tree trunk.

So, what does Miki's stepmother have to do with Anthy and Kozue? The stepmother is a replacement for their true mother, just as Miki sees Anthy as a replacement for his sister. This could also relate to how because Miki and Kozue rarely ever see their parents, they look out for each other instead.

I think that the concept of treetops and trunks has a deeper meaning that I'm not quite sure of. The episode, "The World Seen From Kozue," has a lot of symbolism based on what she sees, such as when she watches the music teacher hit on her brother. Though the treetops and a trunk are just two parts of a whole, the treetop would have a much greater perspective of the world than the trunk. While the treetops can see things that are far away, the trunk can only see what is near it. Miki's innocence can keep him from seeing the things that Kozue is able to see.

Right... That's enough out of me, for now.

I'm inclined to think that in addition to symbolism - which I don't disagree with - it actually is Anthy, moving some pieces to put Kozue and Miki where they're supposed to be for the ongoing game.

I also think the tree analogy for the twins is very cool, BTW. I'll incorporate that into my analysis of those two from here on. Here's the first bit that immediately springs to mind: the treetop, the leaves and branches, are fragile and replaceable. They need the tree more than the tree needs them. That fits fairly nicely into my feelings on Kozue and Miki.

Touga's eye looks open there. Wouldn't it be closed if he were looking through the viewfinder? Instead, it looks like he's staring right at Akio's crotch which, ya know, it's hard to look away from considering....

I don't know if counts as a WTF! moment but...
I rewatching the Utena movie and in the video scene. Exactly in the part Akio jumps around his car dances a little with Kanae and ends going home in a taxi... ok the whole part makes me wtf but what I just noticed is that... akio's car and the taxi have inverted, the conductor's seat.

watch:
http://www.ohtori.nu/gallery/moviedvd/Cap190.jpg
In Akio's car the conductor seat is on the right as seen by the viewer

http://www.ohtori.nu/gallery/moviedvd/Cap201.jpg
while the taxi's is on the left O.o

the question is... why? ... is it a mistake or does it actually means something?

note: thanks Yasha and Giovanna for the screencaps.

Last edited by Romanticide (01-18-2007 09:58:14 PM)

My WTF moment was the throwaway line of Anthy saying that Akio was really more like their father.

Razara wrote:

After Anthy says that Akio is more like her father, it abruptly shows two shots of Kozue from earlier on in that episode, making it seem as though it refers to her. Once again, this relates to how Kozue and Miki feel the need to look out for each other because they don't have parents. In the previous scene, Akio irritably asks Anthy, "How do you feel about her?" "In what way...?" He then grabs onto Anthy's arm and roughly pulls her closer to himself. "How do you feel about her? Tell me." "The teacup broke..."

And Anthy's finger twitches, just a tad. But that one gesture from someone like Anthy speaks volumes about what Anthy might think of Utena. She thinks something about Utena that she doesn't want to share with Akio.

You could be right but if Akio is acting like a father, he seems like a jealous, possessive father to me.

Last edited by Dani (01-19-2007 09:48:44 AM)

Ivy-chan wrote:

It's not that she's saying that he's acting like a father that made me so surprised, it the 'our father'. As in: they actually could have had parents. It's picturing a father of Akio that made me .

Hmm, is that the official translation on the DVD? I don't remember the "our". Too bad I'm at work and can't watch it at the moment.

Edit: The subtitles on the DVD reads :

"Akio seems so tolerant about everything."
"Yes, my brother is like that. Maybe because he's an adult. [pause] He's more like my father."

The English dub adds a word to make it "He's really more like my father."

Absolutely a WTF moment.

Last edited by Dani (01-19-2007 03:22:28 PM)

Tamago wrote:

I doubt that there is any deeper meaning behind the events but for me, the biggest WTF moments are those surfing, skydiving, mountain climbing elephants.

Yeah, what the heck? Who thinks of that stuff and what are they on?

Tamago wrote:

I doubt that there is any deeper meaning behind the events but for me, the biggest WTF moments are those surfing, skydiving, mountain climbing elephants.

I never gave any real thought to the Nanami filler episodes. Someone did tell me what they thought the Nanami's Egg episode was about...unless I read that here.

Giovanna wrote:

You know, honestly, it was the car jump.

Mostly because I immediately imagined the production meeting that must have taken place where someone went HAVE HIM JUMP OVER THE WINDSHIELD! and someone else went HEY GREAT IDEA :drops more acid:

Hehehe, yep that's the biggest WTF in the movie and there are SO many in that movie...why couldn't he make an OVA post-series like everyone else?