This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)
Well I figure as the forum ages, the number of significant messages goes up. Please, though, try to keep it somewhat clean of the unnecessary stuff. The size doesn't concern me, the forum is about 150MB right now, but the problem there is the larger it is, the more memory it consumes on the base computer to run it. So far this hasn't been problematic but there's a chance the gallery, since it's also a database, might add enough strain that I might have to prune the forum down a bit. I'd prefer not to since I want to keep all our old posts, but if that's what it comes to, that's what it comes to.
I'm hoping the upgrade's boost to the memory allowance should make this problem all in my head, though.
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Yes guys, I know about the god damn stupid spambots lately. All I can do about it aside from delete them as they come is upgrade the forum software, which will be a huge undertaking I can't promise I'll have time for until I'm back in the states. In the meantime I'm keeping track of how often this happens and seeing if I can stop it any other way.
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Doctor viagra posted, and I think it was after the GD name change.
I did a little search about spam on forums, and found this page. I know you already know all about the computer, so it might be redundant info. Nevertheless, it's lots of other people who mod places on the web all talking about the strategies they use to keep them away:
http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/07/2059226
They seemed to have about 20+ suggestions, to combat the different attacks. Of course, I have no idea the time implications of these projects. There are ones who suggested 'community help' strategies if that cuts down the mod work?
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I've dealt with spambots a lot on a previous forum, and it's not the name that attracts them... I'm fairly certain it's the fact it's the easiest to get to. It's the first topic in the forum and thus they spam it, because anything else takes more effort.
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Frosty, thanks for the Slashdot site! Thanks too to the users who clicked Report on the spam topics that popped up this morning. The topics have been deleted, along with the bots who posted them. We will find a way to stop this, guys! Until then, please bear with it. Ignore the bad threads and they'll go away thanks to mod fu.
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I'm looking around and it would seem the big question is whether the spam is coming from an automated program or from a very poor person someone doing this randomly to as many sites as they can for a penny a hit. Upgrading the forum software and adding a few mods to the registration process will help if it's an automated program, but if it's real live people, the problem can't be stopped at registration.
I'm going to see if I can't upgrade the forum in the next day or two--frankly this is a problem since being up in Canada means I'm not on my own computer. Think of it like trying to drive someone else's car or cook in someone else's kitchen, but on a larger scale. I will also, if that goes relatively well, add a basic captcha. It's not perfect but it should help a little bit.
After that we'll give things a few days for me to work out kinks in the upgrading and determine if I've improved matters at all, and if I haven't, there's a punBB extention that sets up Akismet for the forum. I'm very hesitant to do this though because the mod has a reputation for not working and also for eating up legit posts.
The shitty fact of the matter is that it's entirely possible nothing I do to the software will fix the problem without a major cost to the actual users, so it may just become a situation where the mods have to stay on top of it. I feel like shit about this, because this is supposed to be our happy awesome safe zone of the internats and here you guys have to deal with this shit.
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It's a minor nuisance Gio. I certainly appreciate your efforts to keep the place spic and span though.
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Well it sucks.
New strategy: Just ignore them, we'll delete them as we see them. They only post new threads, so they're easy to spot for us mods anyway. If they show up in the threads it's time to report.
I may have to see if there's a mod for admin authorization of new accounts. I reallllly don't like that since it means people that want to post immediately can't, but if that way any new registration has to be cleared by one of the mods, which will turn off a lot of the lazier ones and subject them to our assessment of whether SEXFRUCIALISLOLZ is actually a real SKU fan/potential member.
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Giovanna wrote:
I may have to see if there's a mod for admin authorization of new accounts. I reallllly don't like that since it means people that want to post immediately can't, but if that way any new registration has to be cleared by one of the mods, which will turn off a lot of the lazier ones and subject them to our assessment of whether SEXFRUCIALISLOLZ is actually a real SKU fan/potential member.
And how do we judge something like that, anyway?
CAPTCHA is the best idea I've heard so far. I had a related thought: What if we set up CAPTCHA using Utena trivia? You can't register unless you say what color Utena's hair is? You know, questions that any genuine Utena fan would be able to answer, but that spambots couldn't, and that aren't worth a human intruder's time to look up?
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The usernames are pretty obvious most of the time, and it just adds a pain in the ass step that would deter a lot of spammers.
As for captcha, I would love to make it a trivia kind of thing, but it does frankly require I find a mod that at least partly works the same way. My coding skills are not good enough for me to pull something like that out my backside, and I just poked around for mods like that and found none for PunBB. The tradeoff with using PunBB is while it's far more secure that PhpBB, it's also got fewer mods to try out. (Believe me, we'd be getting a lot more of this crap with PhpBB.)
Hmm. On thought, depending on how the Captcha program is built I might be able to mod it so that it will work as a question and answer thing. If I find one that's simplistic enough to have x image of words agree with y answer, I can just edit the pictures to ask a basic question with a different answer as correct input.
Unfortunately a clever feat of coding will take some time for me, so please be patient while I try to figure out this crap. I'll be back in the US soon enough, where it's easier for me to work, if harder given the schedule I'm about to have. That's no great thing for me, since the subject fairly easily brings me to tears, but I guess it'll be good for this particular situation.
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I have deleted several unverified (as in they never checked their emails for their password) accounts that were created on the same day (!!) reporting the same time zone. The latter suggests that one of the clever tricks forum admins have been using to catch spammers has failed. They typically choose the first option on all drop down boxes, so admins started putting a dummy time zone that didn't exist at the top, which resulted in a ban if you selected it. From now on I'm going to look at any unverified account with the same GST and crazy texts for both the username and email as dummy accounts and I'll delete them. This is undemocratic, I realize, and I'm risking deleting a legit account by someone that thinks random text is really clever, but too bad.
I also deleted all other unverified accounts. These are people that never even logged in, because they didn't get a password. Most of them appear to have been typo submissions because they have other accounts with different names.
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I don't know if this is really a glitch, but was it intentional to have our profile information displayed with each post?
Also, all the the BBCoding, url, img, and smileys have disappeared. I'm making the assumption that this one was not intentional.
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I noticed a little change in the last hours: in every post, under the username, appears the list of Birthday, Gender, Interests, Personal... whether the user filled those up or not. I don't think it's a change you made on purpose, but I could be wrong. My apologies if the latter is the case.
Edit: so dollface was faster and said basically the same. Sorry!
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Neither of those were deliberate, and they're both fixed. I left the forum online instead of putting it in maintenance mode, so there was no downtime but a couple extra bugs of that sort.
Aside from upgrading the actual forum, I've added two things to the registration in the hopes that it'll slow down spam a bit. For the automated spam, I added a basic CAPTCHA, the least complicated I could find, since it'll be easier to remove if it doesn't work. (In which case I'll attempt to put in a more complex one.) For the manual entry spam, I edited the rules so that you have to click the right character name to agree to them. A computer would get around this very easily, since the forms are all cancels and an agree, but hopefully it'll at least bog down the human spammers. I also added a registration hash mod that makes the registration page a unique URL for every visit, meaning a bot can't just go to the obvious URL and get to the registration page, you have to click it through the website. I've done what I can for now, and we'll see how this goes and work from there.
Unfortunately I can't seem to find a mod to force new users to be authorized by admins, but I haven't played all possible cards as far as registration tricks yet. There's Project Honey Pot (kinda like Akismet but only applies to registration by running people through a list of known spammers first), and I did find a mod that you can program to ask specific questions of the user. It's built to ask math problems but you can make it ask just about anything, the more unusual the answer, the better. I will implement these one at a time if they appear necessary, probably by adding the question one and removing the rules trick. All this stuff makes registering fairly complicated as compared to some places, but frankly if someone's so uninterested that they won't answer a simple question and type out what's in a box, then well...too bad.
Oh and I kinda like Gender Disco!
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Again, I'm not sure if this is just a joke or not, but "Shoujo Kakumei Utena" has been changed to "Baka Kakumei Utena". While the title is much more befitting of our adorably oblivious title character, I wasn't sure if this was something to report or not.
I'll be embarassed if I just can't take a joke. So I'll apologize for that in advance.
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It's a joke. After she changed General Discussion to Gender Disco, Gio became intoxicated with power and has been playing with the forum titles.
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I see. Sorry about that!
On that note, I miss Gender Disco.
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I'm compulsive, I feel like I spent all day doing nothing because there are no obvious changes to the actual interface of the forum, so to soothe myself I'm dicking with the forum titles.
As for being intoxicated with power, a couple days ago I mentioned to Yasha how amusing it was that the most powerful and best known presence in SKU fandom (I don't think I'd be exaggerating at this point to claim such) belongs to an Akio fan, rather than an Utena one, and that the second in command on that website is a Touga fan. Cute, when you think about it...a lot of power in the community belongs to someone who watched SKU and didn't learn a damn thing.
Oh btw, the traffic to the actual site has gone up about 30-40% since May. I suspect it was the gallery, but I must now take advantage of the extra attention to update.
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Maybe I'm the only one who misses them, but the little return to top links seems to be gone.
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That's one of the many minor changes I made to the code way in the beginning. Fixed!
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Yeah, I've noticed the "General Dissection"... awesome.
Er... there are no new PMs in my mail and it constantly has the "TEH NEW PMS HERE" thing....
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Usually when that happens, Anthiena, it means you haven't read a piece of mail you thought you had read. Try (re?)reading the top several PMs until the notification goes away.
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Is it just me, or did "show all unread topics" and "mark all topics as read" used to show up more in more places than just the index? If it didn't, it'd be cool if it did. I can't be expected to click twice in order to find new topics and the like.
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