I've edited the game's page, this is so cool
Too bad that we can't upload images, there's no chance to use an external image hosting for that?

Rhy, in principle that sounds like a good idea.  In practice, it's not always so easy to keep fact and opinion separated.  For example, it's very hard to write a coherent paragraph about Touga's behavior in the third and fourth arcs without drawing conclusions about his goals and motivations.  I ended up deciding that as long as I was clear about the difference between fact and judgment, and presented both sides of any long-standing fandom disputes, there was nothing wrong with letting the two intermingle.  The alternative was "in the last two arcs, stuff happened; click here to see an explanation of what some people think the stuff was," which is clunky in an article that's trying to summarize Touga's character arc.  If you can find a fluid way to separate fact and opinion, I'm all for it.  Personally, I'd like to see someone write an essay about Touga's motives, which could then be linked in the Analysis section.

Edit: I'd like to add that one of my priorities in helping out with the wiki is keeping it from turning into the worst aspects of Wikipedia, with edit wars over NPOV and such.  If that bullshit starts cropping up, I'm gone.  As long as opinion is not presented as fact, that's NPOV enough for me.

Last edited by satyreyes (03-30-2008 01:21:36 PM)

I also agree with Saty, we must be neutral when writing this. However writing something in a NPOV for SKU is very hard, since it is fullfilled with symbolism. I think we just have to separate personal essays and the neutral facts(for example, we can do a separete page and link the analysis of EM).

Edit: I'd like to add that one of my priorities in helping out with the wiki is keeping it from turning into the worst aspects of Wikipedia, with edit wars over NPOV and such.  If that bullshit starts cropping up, I'm gone.

I don't think you need to do this, since we are all kind people

Rhy, NPOV means "Neutral Point of View."  On Wikipedia, most edit wars not involving vandalism are fought over pieces of articles that one side alleges to promote someone's point of view rather than a fact.  A typical example might occur if someone tried to insert the following into an article on the Iraq War:

A hypothetical Wikipedian wrote:

In spite of an absence of international consensus or backing, Bush made the decision to order the Army into battle.

One side will try to block this sentence from being added to the article, claiming that the subtext of the phrasing is that it was improper for Bush to go to war absent international approval -- an opinion, or "POV," rather than a fact.  The other side will argue that this subtext does not exist, and that the lack of international support is a salient detail which is needed to understand the context of Bush's decision.  For some reason, people who fall on the former side will tend to be pro-war, and people on the latter side will tend to be anti-war; funny coincidence, that.  Bitter arguments will ensue over phrasing, and no one will be able to come up with an alternative that everyone agrees is NPOV.  In the end a vote will be taken, and then a moderator will ignore the vote and do what he or she thinks proper.  Sometimes the system works, sometimes not, but it always creates acrimony that I'd rather the Glossaire avoid.

I suspect the best solution will be to have some pages which are "fact" -- that is, they contain minimal POV -- and others which are "essays," which will involve analysis and judgment calls on the part of their authors.  Even the fact pages, though, are going to have POV in them; it's pretty much inevitable.  Their authors should try to remain neutral, presenting both sides of any controversy rather than promoting their own side, but some of that bias is going to come through, because we're human.  My point is simply that we shouldn't make a big deal about this.

I've joined as well

bella wrote:

I ended up in the emergency room on Friday and now I'm recovering. As soon as I get better, I'll be writing plenty.

Are you okay?

Thank you very much everyone. Basically, I had been suffering from really, really terrible ovarian pain for a week. I talked to the nurse at my college, and she wanted me to go to the ER for an examination. This lead to my very first internal exam from a gynecologist ever...and it was extremely painful. He did, however, find two cysts, and I need to see someone for a follow up so that we can decide what to do about these really bad pains that accompany my cycle. I was given Vicodin to help me deal with the pain, and it's helping, but I still feel a lot of it. It was a big, scary ordeal for me, but in the scheme of things, it's really no big deal. Gio has gone through so much more, so if I want to be brave, I look at what she's gone through

Thanks for worrying about me!

Last edited by bella (04-01-2008 07:09:34 PM)

I can help if you want the Glossaire d'Utena to have an spanish version *shy voice*

Giovanna wrote:

:hug: Good luck and keep us informed. Here's hoping the cysts are still small enough to remove by less invasive means.

I hope so too. The ER doctor was in a bit of a hurry, of course, so he didn't really tell me much. It could take months to get me a gynecologist appointment, but I really hope that birth control will fix the problem. If not, maybe a simple outpatient procedure. I will definitely keep everyone informed. I love you very much.  

Epi_lepsia wrote:

I can help if you want the Glossaire d'Utena to have an spanish version *shy voice*

That would be wonderful, please go ahead.

Tamago wrote:

Epi_lepsia wrote:

I can help if you want the Glossaire d'Utena to have an spanish version *shy voice*

Assuming we get this puppy up and running, you could serve as a translator where you take the documents and rewrite them into Spanish, that would be a lot of work thou.

Well, we can start a Spanish Translation Committee. I'd like to help, too.

I just posted the wiki's first original essay!    It's an offshoot of an old forum discussion about the Magic: the Gathering colors of the Student Council members.  Nerdy but fun, and it's not deep enough to go on Empty Movement.

Asfalolh wrote:

Tamago wrote:

Epi_lepsia wrote:

I can help if you want the Glossaire d'Utena to have an spanish version *shy voice*

Assuming we get this puppy up and running, you could serve as a translator where you take the documents and rewrite them into Spanish, that would be a lot of work thou.

Well, we can start a Spanish Translation Committee. I'd like to help, too.

I have a complete spanish crew behind me. Don't worry, we can manage it D:

ooooh, those suck. But I'm really glad you've gotten a correct diagnosis.