This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)
Since I moved up to Canada I've tasted a lot of new wines and cheeses and alas, have neglected to keep up with taking notes so I know where I've been. Also hopefully this will make Yasha join in the note taking. Feel free to post comments or questions or keep track of your own tasting notes here. (Wine, cheese, or whatever else so long as it isn't IFD only. )
11/7/2007
WINE
Cookoothama 2006 Pinot Noir, Nugan Estate - Bright clear red, light nose, you've got to get up and close to it. Tastes like dusty fruit. I think it's milder than most of the PN I've tried, which isn't much. Not bad at all, and it goes incredibly well with the Sardo cheese.
MASI Modello Delle Venezie 2005 - Deep red, intense berry scent, slightly creamy. The flavor is again strongly berry, blackberries and cherries with a smoky finish. No wonder Yasha screams MASI some much.
Cheesu!
Pastorella - Creamy pale, moderately solid, with a few small holes. Smells very much like pecorino, and tastes rather like a creamier, softer version of it. Very nutty, almost to an extreme, too large a hunk of the cheese and it becomes bitter.
Sardo Fiore - White, fairly hard and absurdly crumbly and dry. There's a strangely flowery scent to it that comes through in the taste. Far less salty than you'd expect. Fragrant aftertaste, which is good because it was the priciest of the batch. The wine makes it bacony.
Raclette - Hard but pliable, a slightly darker cream color, like buttermilk. The smell is pungent if you get too close, but the taste is fairly mild, creamier than you'd expect from the color. Exhaling makes it taste nuttier, and letting it melt is more yogurty, a tart cream.
Bel Paese - UNF. Pale creamy, soft but holds its shape. Carefully takes your hand and leads you into the bedroom and slides its tongue over yo-...okay well maybe not but fuck. There's really no scent but it tastes like a richer, creamier mozzarella. Doesn't linger long in your mouth, not too strong, but enough flavor to handle the olive cheddar loaf. I don't even need to remember this one by writing it down.
Five Countries Saxonish Cheddar - Managed to taste before Yasha came all over it. Soft solid, more orange than Juri's pubic hair. Creamy texture and tastes flowery and strangely of berries.
Sweet Grass Dairy Green Hill (Georgia) - Texture and style of brie, with an intense nutty flavor and, this is amazing, a palatable rind, which adds to the nuttiness without even a hint of bitter moldy taste. There are ghosts of an intense, irony meatiness, but first and last you're struck with the butter texture and bright nutty, walnut and hazelnut and almond notes. Fantastic.
11/12/2007
Tsantali Nemea 1997 (Greek varietal called Agiorgitiko) - Translucent with an unusual rusty brown tinge. Stings the nose a little, sweet vinegary, almost a little like chlorine, actually. Sounds unpleasant but it's actually not, it's refreshing in the same way retsina is. The taste is distinctly herbal, with a slight taste of fresh woods, pine or cedar. A bit of tartness. It's surprisingly light given how fragrant it is.
Jackson Triggs Shiraz (ROFLCOPTER CANADIAN WINE) - Dirty scent for a shiraz, with a heavy whiff of bell peppers that intensifies over time and exposure to air. The taste is also peppery, woody, and there's a hint of smoke or wood.
11/20/2007
Hardys 2005 Shiraz - Smells like bell peppers rolled in DIRT. But the taste isn't nearly as dirty, it's spicy, with a little leather. Takes a few sips before the plum comes out, although it does. Not bad at all. Then Yasha sprayed her rose cologne everywhere. Bitch.
Harslevelu Tokaji Muscat 2003 - Pale golden color, with a sharp, almost offputtingly acidic nose. Almost like berries that have started to turn. Taste however quickly becomes rich, grapey and fresh. Very unusual. A semi-sweet, but far dryer than that description would indicate. Definitely something to experiment with on the more expensive scales.
11/27/2007
Barefoot Cab Sauv, California - Who said cheap wine has to be bad? Fresh berries, strawberries and sugar and just a slight scent of..apple? Taste is medium-bodied, a slight dustiness in place of the sugar, and the berries have a slight peppery taste. I really need to try fruit cooked with peppers some time, it seems to work well in wine...
11/30/2007
Angove's Nine Vines 2006 Grenache Shiraz Rose (!!) - Looks like liquified rubies. Smells like raspberries, sharp, with very little sweetness. Refreshing taste, you can really taste where the grenache comes in, the usually dark fruits get lightened to watermelon. Bites the back of the tongue, and it really quite far from anything like sweet. BY THE WAY, sipping this after sipping hot chocolate = strawberry smoothie.
12/3/2007
Penfolds Koonunga Hill Shiraz 2005 - Deep red and opaque with a rich, earthy raspberry nose with hints of chocolate. Thick flavor, soil and berries and smoke, and again with the chocolate. First sip widens the jaw, like an overload, and I swear there's a hint of...curry. Very dynamic.
12/9/2007
Queen of Hearts Cab Sauv, California 2002 - A deep red, tinted with rusty brown. Heady, peppery nose, jalepeno and bell peppers and black pepper with a strange creaminess. Taste comes through on the nose to a T, rich and dominating. Second whiff uh...seafood? Sediment heavy, though, and tooth staining. One of those I should watch out for.
12/15/2007
Osborne Solaz 2004 Shiraz Tempranillo - Peppery and slightly floral nose, with a hint of cream that comes through in the taste. There's something mealy about it though it's not the usual excessively big red either.
12/22/07
Jacob's Creek 2006 Shiraz Rose - Smells of strawberries, pale pink. The flavor is thankfully unsweet, with the strawberry overtones and a hint of lychee and maybe a tiny bit of apple.
1/6/08
Cantina di Negrar Bardolino Classico 2005
Bright red, clear. Heavy nose, thick and earthy and somewhat deceptive. The taste has a bit of that earth to it, but it's fairly bright and fruity, and it feels wet. Also on second whiff I smelled....rice krispies. This may be a craving.
1/29/08
Penfolds Rawson's Retreat Shiraz Cabernet vintage 2005
Creamy and spicy nose, follows through on the taste, cream and...saffron. I keep thinking of Middle-eastern food in the taste. There's a hint of pomegranate but overall it's not a fruity wine.
2/2/08
The 7 Deadly Zins, 2005, Cali
Holy fucking smoke. Seriously, smells like mesquite beef jerky, absolutely incredible. Slight scent of deep deep plum, but really the BBQ smoke reigns here, even in the taste. This is a serious meat wine. I should get more while it's on sale. A+++ would masturbate to again
2/6/08
Los Vascos Cab Sauv 2005, Colchagua (Chile)
Rusty ruby, with a dusty pepper nose with a meatiness that smells like a broiled steak. The beef especially comes through in the taste, bell peppers show as the glass sits. Always a winner.
2/8/08
Black Swan Shiraz 2006 (Aussie)
There's a heavy dust and chocolate nose with hints of berries, and a slight bitterness. (It is cheapo) The taste is gritty, rough and somewhat heavy on the tannin. Not the best bottle I've ever had but my mother said it was like six dollars, which is acceptable.
2/16/08
Tamas Estates California Barbera 2003 (80% Barbera 20% Merlot)
Fucking ace for 5bux. (On sale.) A sharper, gritty nose of dark cherries. Lots of berries on the taste but darker, almost overripe ones. Dry and I suspect heavy on the sediment. An Italian varietal grown in California is an interesting idea, the California tones down the usual brutal dust and dirt and brings out lighter fruits. I need to try more barbera.
2/17/08
Montecillo Crianza 2003 (rioja, spain)
Paler, rusty red. A rusty scent as well, with a tinge of alcohol catching the back of your nose. The scent is perfumey, flowers and berries and smoke. However it's initially light on the tongue before blooming into a subtle smoky meat and brighter citrusy notes, which make an interesting contrast to the rich soil taste. Good stuff.
2/29/08
Teusner Barossa Valley Joshua 06 (65% grenache, 25% mataro (mouvedre), 10% shiraz)
Remember mouvedre from that awesome bottle in the back angelic and ali sent? IT RETURNS! Deep garnet red, with a distinctly flowery aroma, filling the back of your nose, like you're around too many of them. Sour cherries also in the scent, and they come through hard in the taste. Fucking win.
3/2/08
Equis Vino de la Tierra de Castilla 2004 Spain (duh) (Bobal, Merlot, Garnacha, Syrah and Tempranillo)
A blend, with a heavy, even dirty nose. Deep, opaque red. Musky even, with a hint of berries but a warning of roughness. The taste is similarly rough, even texturally, on the tongue, but a richness that just...dunno. Tastes like the color. Quite good, wanting to see how it airs out.
3/7/08
Manyana Tempranillo 2005 (spain)
Spicy nose with a hint of sweet, but rolls smooth onto the tongue before becoming a fairly light, spicy but predominantly fruity wine with a hint of hard candy. It swallows rougher than it lands though. For the price, great stuff. But it was very cheap.
3/14/08
Boarding Pass Shiraz 05 (aussie duh)
Awesome label. More awesome booze. Deep purple, with a strangely soaplike nose, but the taste is of berries spiced to high heaven with cardamom and cinnamon and ginger. Rich and intense without relying on roughness. Great stuff. I wish I had blown the guy that suggested it.
4/21/08
Trumpeter Malbec 2005 (Argentina)
The peppers I've come to expect from SA. I smell rosemary and bay leaves. Gorgeous dusty flavor, but deceptively light and spicy. A unique bottle for 10bux, but I get the feeling it won't age well after opened.
4/26/08 CHEESU! Montgomery's Cheddar, England. Pale and very crumbly. Waxlike, and not nearly as sharp as some cheddars I've had, but the nutty richness of it, well...explains the price. This stuff was stellar and I'm glad I nagged the store to cut a smaller, not 18 dollar chunk off for me. It melts beautifully, but is so good on its own that'd feel like blasphemy.
The Italian goat cheese with truffle flecks that I'll try to read the label of. White and creamy, the packaging is sopping wet and this stuff spreads like cream cheese. The smell is fairly pungent, just on the end of what I'd live with, but the flavor is of sharp milk and naturally, truffles. Rich and creamy, and the taste isn't remotely like the scent.
Reypenaer V.S.O.P. aged gouda, Netherlands. FUCKING UNF. The cheddar I expected to love, but this was a surprise. Pale gold, also fairly crumbly, it melts in your mouth and it creamy and...flowery. (The aging left little crystallized chunks of sex too) I keep thinking of dandelion greens and walnuts and I'm quite sure this stuff needs to be on a salad. Compared to the cheddar and the goat cheese, this was obscenely cheap, so it stands out as the price-yum winner.
WINE! Though the Hazy Blur Baroota shiraz I tried at the tasting last night was one of the best things I've ever had in my mouth (leather, tar, smoke...felt like I was eating Sherlock Holmes' study), the 40bux put it a little out of range after all that cheese. The other big winner was:
Trevor Jones "Jonesy" NV Old Tawny, Australia
Ports, like every other sweet wine, are by and large expensive as balls and way outside of my casual tasting budget. This stuff was thirteen dollars, and the hit of the tasting because no one could explain why it wasn't 40 dollars or more. Thick and brown (brown? a port?), it tastes like...raisins. I keep thinking of panettone. Absolutely sexy.
Penfold's St Henri Vintage 2002 shiraz holy shit fap
Brilliant blood red, on immediate opening a sour, almost rotted cherry note with deep acidic wood. The taste is dusty, meaty, with the fruits taking a backseat. This is definitely needing some air. One Starcraft campaign later! The cherries and dust have really opened up into something fresh that falls on the tongue and saves the kick for after you swallow. There's a slight, very slight sweetness compared to other shiraz I've had, but it only serves to bring out more subtle peppery, almost clovey notes. Fantastic.
5/9/08
Gnarly Head Old Vine Zin, Vintage 06
Rich garnet with a slightly ripe nose, plummy, while managing to also remind me of vinegar and garlic. The savory food theme is shared with old 'old vine zins' I've had, the flavor is dense, meaty, although this one's less focused on beef than on pork. I'm getting BBQ ribs, peppery thing. Very decent for 8bux.
6/18/08
Canaletto Montepulciano d'Abruzzo 05
Dirty, like I expect and want from my Italian reds. A surprising bite, even acidity for such a brutally thick red.
7/18/08
Masi Tupungato Passo Doble 2006 Malbec, Corvina
Smells like a stinky cheese and chocolate. Bizarre. After a few moments the stinky cheese is replaced by a slightly fishy scent with citrus blossoms. Actually reminds me of a flower from my childhood I can't recall the name of right now to same my life (gardenias, I called my mother). There's a cutting acidic taste, and a rich earthiness that stems from the cheese aroma. It's chewy, rustic, but very dynamic also, with hints of orange blossom and chocolate. Definitely one of the more unique wines I've had, it's great.
8/21/08 Bouchard Aine & Fils Beaujolais 2006
Light and refreshing, with more floral hints than fruity ones, although there are definite strawberry notes.
10/3/08 Medievo Reserva 98 Tempranillo/Grenache
Silky is the only way to describe this. It glides down the back of your throat, soft and smooth, the flavor blossoming after the fact into creamy berries, almost to where you'd describe it as sweet. A little light for my usual tastes but just the thing for me right now.
1/18/09 Barnwood Long Shadow 2004 Petite Sirah Santa Barbara County
Rusty and very dark, with an almost dusty nose backed up by a taste of dusty smooth tart berries. It hits the tongue easily before the berries mellow away into that old taste. Not a bad thing. I expect the berries to come out stronger after decanting. Not bad for a grape I haven't frequented much.
2/14/09 Portal Del Alto Reserve Cab Sauv 2005 (Chile)
A tight, almost creamy nose with hints of pepper and a note of sweetness, akin to caramelized onions. Earthy taste, with a texture to match, and the slight pepper that will likely come out with decanting. The onion definitely present on the tongue, like bottled french onion soup. Win.
Last edited by Giovanna (03-02-2008 09:14:57 PM)
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I hope that a lot of the more refined members of this forum will post all sorts of good info.
I myself is hopeless when it comes to wines as they all taste like grapejuice that has well and truly passed its Used by Date but then again, I am a Philistine in matters like that.
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For the longest time ive wanted to have a cheese tasting party. (too young for wine...and i don't like alcohol)
any suggestions for good cheeses?
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KissingT.Kiryuu wrote:
For the longest time ive wanted to have a cheese tasting party. (too young for wine...and i don't like alcohol)
any suggestions for good cheeses?
My foodie friend and I tried to organize one long ago. I think one of the most important things is to stay between 3 and 6 cheeses, and make sure you have things to go with it like baguettes, fruit, and so on.
But beyond that, I defer to Gio and Yasha.
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I'm fond of gruyere and raclette personally. If you're just buying hunks from a supermarket, you could go with the squeeze method to get a decent variety. Different texture usually means different flavor. And the baguettes are a good idea too. Also, a selection of fruit is better than you might expect when having cheese. Apples especially really complement a sharp cheese. Pears too.
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Stormcrow wrote:
Apples especially really complement a sharp cheese. Pears too.
Apples are a must, absolutely. If you're going to serve any hard cheeses along the lines of pecorino, balsamic vinegar and olive oil are also a good idea.
I'm not especially versed on the 'stinky' cheeses, so I can't make suggestions there. (Frankly, I don't usually care for them. ) But if you're going to do a tasting, the most straightforward approach would be one soft cheese (brie or camembert), a slightly stiffer offering like port salut or havarti, a stiff but still creamy selection like emmental (swiss), gruyere, gouda or fontina, and a hard cheese like parmesan or pecorino. I would include on top of that a cheddar, especially if you're going to serve apples and/or pears. Another good idea would be a 'dessert' cheese. Stilton and wensleydale are often sold with hunks of fruit in them, or you could get some mascarpone or ricotta and serve it on top of fruit with a drizzle of honey. For that matter, cheeses like brie and havarti are also often sold with stuff in them, from peppercorn to garlic to herbs. So there's even more to play with!
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I'm a fan of good old Double Gloucester myself... Cheshire, too. But they're both quite expensive over here and my local grocery store doesn't carry either of them.
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see thats a small part of my problem, fancy cheese is expensive cheese. : (
the "fanciest" cheese ive ever had was havarti.
although... we had delicious strawberry rhubarb preserves and some wheat thins...so i broke out the extra sharp cheddar and OMG orgy in my mouth much. they tasted soooo good together!! i recommend it if you can try it.
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I highly recommend a 3- to 5-year aged gouda eaten in combination with very very dark chocolate.
I haven't been into wines lately, but my most recent favorite is an Australian shiraz called Firefly. I also recommend, for those on limited budget, the Charles Shaw wines from Trader Joe's, more commonly known as "Two-Buck Chuck." They're actually quite decent.
Sake is my latest fad. Tozai Well of Wisdom is my favorite right now, though the Tozai Voices in the Mist is a close second. I've been experimenting slowly with a number of others, but many of them are just too sharp. Well of Wisdom is incredibly smooth, with a lovely after-aroma.
There is also, if you want champagne-type stuff, Poochi-Poochi sparkling sake (and yes, there's a cute little dog on the label). *Very* nice.
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Is wine tasting and cheese tasting free? Lol.
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...I would so join in this thread if I wasn't lactose intolerant and I didn't hate alcohol.
My grocery store has a HUGE wine sections and hundreds of kinda of cheese.
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tohubohu wrote:
Sake is my latest fad. Tozai Well of Wisdom is my favorite right now, though the Tozai Voices in the Mist is a close second. I've been experimenting slowly with a number of others, but many of them are just too sharp. Well of Wisdom is incredibly smooth, with a lovely after-aroma.
Warm or chilled? I'm curious to give sake another try, I made the attempt before and seemed to end up drinking a lot of varnish, but I suspect that's the fault of my choices.
Red Angel...I'm lactose intolerant, too. Cheese eating is for me truly a labor of love. (Lactaid FTW.)
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What's a good fruit and/or wine pairing for gruyere? There's a great variety that I like... I'm thinking possibly pears from the fruit angle, but I'm lost as far as wine goes.
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...Once I learn to say more than good or bad, I'll consider joining the cheese tasting.
Seeing as I go to the same awesome grocery store as Red Angel and all.
I did get some Sherwood smoked cheddar and liked that alot... Though I have no idea how to begin describing it.
Wine tasting I'd be COMPLETELY useless for since I just end up going OOH PRETTY BOTTLE and leaving it be for me to look at.
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ShatteredMirror wrote:
What's a good fruit and/or wine pairing for gruyere? There's a great variety that I like... I'm thinking possibly pears from the fruit angle, but I'm lost as far as wine goes.
Pears are good. If you want a white wine, Gewurztraminer (FROM ALSACE none of this California bullshit masquerading as real gewurz) is probably best, since it will pick up the sweetness in the cheese without overpowering it and add a nice tart taste. Gio had a bunch of recommendations for red, so I will leave that to her.
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Gruyere is a pretty clean cheese, not too rich, almost refreshing by those standards, so something that could act as a contrast might be safe in reds. Italian reds are usually a bit 'dirty' that way, they'll add a richness the cheese lacks, although you'll want to keep to the lighter bottles since gruyere could easily be overpowered by a big bottle. A light chianti might be a good start, something a little more off the beaten track would be a nero d'avola, which is a Sicilian varietal that's in my experience managed to be earthy, oceany, and light all at once. If you're daring, you could do a nebbiolo, but that might be too harsh.
Similarly, gruyere would be something you could easily cook with truffles. That's kinda where I'm drawing the idea from there.
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Red Angel and Allegoriest wrote:
Fancy ass grocery store with lots of wine and cheeses.
Let me guess, Central Market?
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Are California wines really that bad? Because they're, ya know, local...
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It's not that. I've had some excellent California wines. It's just that every bottle of Gewurztraminer I've had that came from California was... unacceptable. And California is the main place, other than France, that Gewurztraminer is made.
Good (and cheap!) Californian wines: Anything from Barefoot Wines. Fucking fantastic for eight bucks a bottle, seriously.
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If I'm going to shell out then, I'll be sure to get the real thing. If anyone knows wine, it's you.
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Just stay away from that E&J Gallo stuff and you should do fine. God, it's all over the place. That and Corbett Canyon. Those wines are for people who don't drink wine and don't like it.
The best way to develop a palate for wine is to drink a lot of it, though. I can tell you what I like, but you won't necessarily like the same things. Trust your own taste when you drink wine, and if you like an $8 bottle best out of everything, don't let anyone change your mind. Wine should be enjoyed without snobbery.
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That's comforting, I don't really know how to be a snob.
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https://www.bonnydoonvineyard.com <- I would recommend them for a local to you selection, Shattered. Angelicreation and Alithea got me a bunch of bottles before my operation and they were great. Their mourvedre was fantastic, alas, the best of the bottles was also the one they don't make anymore.
Also seconding Yasha on the snobbery. I've done pretty well for myself, through tastings and fairs and outright splurging in fits of depression, so I've had a few pretty expensive bottles. I've never had any problem keeping to 13bux or below, and if you wanna talk Barefoot, their pinot grigio is fucking win, and the shiraz is better than half of the shiraz I've had. And I drink a lot of fucking shiraz, my friend.
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I have my lapses into snobbery every once in a while over wine, but usually it tends to be over the whole Gallo/Corbett Canyon issue because... there are so many better ones out there, but those are the ones everyone drinks because they want to have all the class of drinking wine without any of the risk of buying a bottle someone might dislike. You can't dislike those ones. They're too plain and fruity and generally appealing. Even I drink them from time to time. But they're such a coward's choice; you don't learn anything new about your palate or what you like with them, and you never take the risk of getting a just plain bad bottle.
Even getting a bad bottle is a good experience, because learning what you don't like is just as important as learning what you do like. And you can build up a defense mechanism that way. Mine is that when I get a bad bottle, I still drink it, but I bitch incessantly about how bad it is and make all the most awful comparisons I can think of. It gets me through the bottle.
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Or you react even worse when you expect it to be awful and it's not.
Vampire, anyone?
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