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#1 | Back to Top01-29-2010 04:28:42 PM

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The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 1.html?g=0

Stupid.
It's one of the most important pieces of literature in history and some retarded bitch gets it banned.


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#2 | Back to Top01-29-2010 04:31:47 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

What the fuck. That's incredibly disrespectful on so many levels. emot-mad


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#3 | Back to Top01-29-2010 04:40:22 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

So the censored version of the diary is okay, but the complete work with out censoring is inappropriate because it shows the full depth of Anne Frank's young mind. How utterly amusing and absolutely silly. I can't think this ban will last, but it is, nonetheless, not really that surprising. Parents and school commitees have, for years, tried to censor and "protect" children from literature they find offensive. This is a shame, but it's only history repeating itself (see the banning of Huck Finn).


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#4 | Back to Top01-29-2010 04:49:05 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

Well, its not really banned, just... edited.
Aren't alot of books about sex? And aren't alot of them filled with delicious delicious subtext of less than straight? (Wasn't Brave New World really sexy or something? I heard that but never read it.)

Besides, how could like, find it in you to go up and bitch about a holocaust diary? I mean, you just kinda shut up and read while your soul dies.

Look at the bright side.
Now that its banned, kids probably want to read it. Before, they were probably like FUCKING HOMEWORK.

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#5 | Back to Top01-29-2010 04:49:12 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

I don't even remember homosexual themes. Which is to say if that's what hits you hardest when you read Anne Frank...wow. You kinda missed the larger theme.


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#6 | Back to Top01-29-2010 04:57:31 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

allegoriest wrote:

(Wasn't Brave New World really sexy or something? I heard that but never read it.)

Brave New World is full of sexual themes, but has a broader scope regarding the future. I had to read it for my British Literature class in high school. I highly recommend it, though it helps to have a slight working knowledge of Othello as well. There was a made for tv movie of Brave New World that made me want to die inside.

On the topic of Anne Frank's Diary, you are probably right. There are now some kids who probably want to read the banned edition to see what the big deal is. What I think is funny and what these parents dont seem to understand is that their own children have less than pure thoughts and feelings. I bet if they read their own children's diaries they'd be shocked, and probably want to get those banned as well.

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#7 | Back to Top01-29-2010 05:30:35 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

This is the epitome of stupidity. I mean, really, whoever approved that has (have?) serious over-puritanism issues that would be ridiculous if they weren't so counter-intelligent. Only someone really short-sighted would attack Anne Frank's diary because of its homosexual vibes - not because they are not there but because they are so much beyond the point.

(Actually, my lit teachers saw the short fragments in which Anne wonders about her orientation as a good way to make teenagers think about 'alternative orientations' (or youth confusion, if you wish) from an example which is at the same time a careful and easy-to-identify-with writer and a well-regarded model.)

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#8 | Back to Top01-29-2010 08:41:55 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

I, for one, definitely remember the hot, pre-teen lesbian scene in the diary.

Here goes:

     (in the previous paragraphs, she’s talking about periods)…
     Sis Heyster also writes that girls of this age don’t feel quite certain of themselves, and discover that they themselves are individuals with ideas, thoughts, and habits. After I came here, when I was just fourteen, I began to think about myself sooner than most girls, and to know that I am a “person.” Sometimes, when I lie in bad at night, I have a terrible desire to feel my breasts and to listen to the quiet rhythmic beat of my heart.
     I already had these kinds of feelings subconsciously before I came here, because I remember that once when I slept with a girl friend I had a strong desire to kiss her, and that I did do so. I could not help being terribly inquisitive over her body, for she had always kept it hidden from me. I asked her whether, as proof of our friendship, we should feel one another’s breasts, but she refused. I go into ecstasies every time I see the naked figure of a woman, such as Venus, for example. It strikes me as so wonderful and exquisite that I have difficulty in stopping the tears rolling down my cheeks.
If only I had a girl friend!

Yours, Anne


Who wouldn’t want to protect the children from such filthy smut! =/
I give that ban a week, tops. Thanks for the info! I'm writing a pissed off letter NOW!


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#9 | Back to Top01-29-2010 08:43:35 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

Frosty wrote:

Who wouldn’t want to protect the children from such filthy smut! =/

After reading that, I wanna cry.
Wtf.


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#10 | Back to Top01-29-2010 09:24:05 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

I couldn't relate to it but it really made me tear up, it was beautiful. It shows the insecurities and feelings of an innocent child...

I do have to say that the book is still available in the school's library but I'm just upset that one woman's ignorance has changed an entire school's curriculum. How is it not disrespectful to Anne Frank's memory to feel the book should be taken out of the curriculum because it has "homosexual" passages? I'm guessing the whole "Jewish being rounded up to be killed" is no big deal to the woman who complained? And it's especially stupid when it's just an innocent girl's insecurities. We get the old edition which is great, but shouldn't Anne's entire story be shared? The person who complained is just so fucking full of herself it's almost funny.

I'm pretty sure if the students can handle the horrors of Nazi torment on Anne and her family, they can deal with a little girl wondering what the hell is going on with her new feelings.

I feel very strongly about honoring the memory of the dead and the memory of the Jewish who suffered under Nazi rule. This really makes me sick. I don't mean to come across as sensational but this is a matter I care for.

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#11 | Back to Top01-30-2010 03:20:49 AM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

I remember Brave New World and reading it as a junior on my own. (The same year, I read Pilgrim's Progress-that's how much of a nerd I am.)

I find it hilarious that moral guardians will also ban Fahrenheit  451-a book about censorship. Other books have been banned as well: Watership Down, Catcher in the Rye, that one book off Donnie Darko, et cetera, et cetera.

Elie Wiesel's Night, I'm sure, has been banned.

Just for the lulz, I would show Haibane Renmei. Now that's one tearjerker that would have people up in arms, particularly given some of the wild guessing that surrounds that anime.


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#12 | Back to Top01-30-2010 07:12:22 AM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

Fahrenheit 451's real message was about television, according to Bradbury, but I still see red whenever people censor it.  Or most books, for that matter.

When I was in middle school, they changed the curriculum of the Honors English 7 class to not read the Tempest, since Caliban attempts to rape Miranda.  And yet two years later, we read the mess of sex jokes and hormones that is Romeo and Juliet?

It's a sad world where thirteen-year-olds aren't allowed to read a 14-year-old's genuine feelings and thoughts.

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#13 | Back to Top01-31-2010 02:41:32 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

"Well, yeah, they can read about, y'know, genocide and racism and humanity at its absolute worst...

but sexual exploration?!!! That's just not normal!"

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#14 | Back to Top01-31-2010 02:51:09 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

Also, what parents don't understand, is that by age 13, most kids have already seen pornography. If the only exposure they get to sexually oriented material is porn, that's going to warp their sexuality a lot more than a few passages in a 14-year-old's diary.

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#15 | Back to Top01-31-2010 03:26:33 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

minervana wrote:

Also, what parents don't understand, is that by age 13, most kids have already seen pornography. If the only exposure they get to sexually oriented material is porn, that's going to warp their sexuality a lot more than a few passages in a 14-year-old's diary.

Exactly. And this is just normal exploration of sexuality, I don't know a early teen/preteen that hasn't thought about sexual exploration of some sort. This provides a very honest passage into her own growing sexual thoughts and desires, banning simple documented sexual thoughts from a adolescent is really ridiculous. Like teenagers DON'T think about sex, because isn't sex evil? C'mon.

EDIT: Reminds me of when my school library banned all books by Franceca Lia Block. Because it's better to act like homosexuality, drugs, and premarital sex doesn't exist instead of providing an educated opinion on the subject? Stupid people.

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#16 | Back to Top01-31-2010 03:47:19 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

It's stupid to ban books anyway. If the theme is too adult, the kids aren't going to understand what it means, and just fill it in with what they think it means anyway. Like when I watched Pretty Woman as a youngin'. I thought the condoms she was giving out at the begenning(ish) were paper clips, and when they were having sex on the piano, they just wanted to know if they could play the piano with her butt. (Then, obviously, Richard Geer thought she was pretty, and wanted to kiss her, but she didn't like him back yet.)
And by the time they read Anne Frank's diary, they've probably been exposed to a lot more than homosexual themes anyway. Parents are stupid.


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#17 | Back to Top01-31-2010 06:43:26 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

I noticed that moral guardians get less upset over wholesome violence than disgusting intimacy when it comes to children.

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#18 | Back to Top01-31-2010 09:21:06 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

If Anne Frank is censored, why hasn't anyone censored the Bible yet? Incest, bigamy, and throwing rocks at people...

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#19 | Back to Top01-31-2010 11:00:54 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

I honestly do see this as an example of censorship. When publishers update their math books, shouldn't you give the students the newer books so they get updated information?


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#20 | Back to Top02-01-2010 12:49:05 AM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

A real...downer. *speechless*

This is one of those times when I have to laugh to avoid smashing my head against a wall.


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#21 | Back to Top02-01-2010 06:56:43 AM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

You've got to be shitting me. Please tell me that this is a joke.


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#22 | Back to Top02-01-2010 10:13:17 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

Book no longer "banned": http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 7.html?g=0

The system works emot-smile

And apparently I should not have called the complaint person a bitch, she didn't ask for it to be removed, she didn't want her daughter to read it out loud... my bad lady emot-frown

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#23 | Back to Top02-02-2010 11:15:37 AM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

chrisb wrote:

Book no longer "banned": http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 7.html?g=0

The system works emot-smile

In similarly happy news, the ban on Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary has likewise been partly rescinded in southern California.  The school will basically send home permission slips to use the dictionary.  This is still sort of funny and silly, that a dictionary definition of fellatio is so offensive that students need permission to use the dictionary -- you know, that single greatest literacy resource in the world -- but it's better than banning it.

Go Anne Frank.  Go Noah Webster.  emot-biggrin

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#24 | Back to Top02-02-2010 04:34:48 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

butbutbut...Anne Frank! Everyone reads her diary! It hasn't corrupted the youth of the world yet.

And seriously with censorship in general: most newspapers have far less 'wholesome' content than these parents would like to have their kids see. And have they ever heard of this thing called the internet?

Le sigh.

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#25 | Back to Top02-04-2010 05:02:17 PM

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Re: The Diary of Anne Frank Banned For Having Homosexual Theme

I have no fucking words.

Seriously, I'm in the lab and don't have the energy to rant on this right now, but this article touched on one of my huge peeves.

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