Duelist Megu, I must admit that I kinda like the Nanami/Mitsuru pairing myself, its far from ideal (Nanami with her Big Brother Complex, Mitsuru a bit young agewise and too submissive) but maybe a few years time.

allegoriest wrote:

I really don't have much to add right now, but I think I week ago, some people here and I were talking about how we liked said pairing.

I can see Nanami coming onto Mitsuru, but he'd totally freak out. Though, with his MUST PLEASE NANAMI streak (HAHAH I first wrote steak D: moo) he'd go along with it, a bit shaken the whole time.

Seriously?  How come search function reveals nothin' of said discussion?  Bah, internets.

I'd actually find it easier to see Nanami as the pursued uke here; slowly warms up to him following her around and wakes up to her own feelings as he continues to do her bidding.

I think at the point that they're at in the series, he needs her too much to assert himself. I can see him growing up to be like Touga though, if things were to go properly.

ShatteredMirror wrote: I think at the point that they're at in the series, he needs her too much to assert himself. I can see him growing up to be like Touga though, if things were to go properly.

Anthiena wrote:
....in a good way or a bad way? I could see him being crazier than dub Saionji if shit goes down the tubes.

lol to "crazier than dub Saionji"

Since I'm playing Mitsuru in the Ohtori roleplaying thread, I've now given this question some thought.
I didn't think about it much before, I admit.

I think they have good potential as a couple a few years down the track.
Nanami does seem to blushingly "respond" to Tsuwabuki after his black rose duels. She likes the idea of a guy going to all lengths for her, even the dark side. And she does originally make him her "boyfriend" - if he hadn't been so young and er usable, he was just the kind of protective prince she was looking for...modeled on Touga.

Sure sure he's a crazy stalker type too (but aww, in such a cute way at his young age! ), but then Nanami is quite the crazy stalker type herself in alllllll sortsa situations. And Mitsuru seems to have an excellent understanding of Nanami's psychology. I'm sure he could manipulate her in style, all for her own good and their future marital bliss of course.

So yeah. A couple years. Let Mitsuru grow up. Let him realize what kissing is all about. I think he'd definitely realize he's smitten with Nanami and do everything (and I mean everything) to get her to eat his banana so he can be satisfied. (to verrrry loosely quote the show...)
See see! Here he is as an oddly proportioned erm 16 year old:




Nanami: "But Mitsuru-kun...why don't you grow your hair long and luscious like all the other men I admire?"

Nanami: "What broad shoulders you have! I mean...seriously broad! Erm..do you wear shoulder pads?"

Nanami's Rose Groom wrote:

Emmm.. I always liked the idea of that pairing. And I'm not even sure, if Mitsuru didn't take the advantage of the situation in The Black Rose Arc, if ya know what I mean

It's definitely something I've considered, but from her actions later I'm inclined to think he didn't.  Unfortunate, perhaps.

Okay, but this is as far as Nanami's point of view is taken into consideration. I've watched lately episode 18, trying to definitely find out if something took place between the two, and I take it as a very probable possibility.

First: Why actually did Mitsuru take the soulswords? And when it happened? We can see, that Mitsuru's black rose is taken just in the moment, when Nanami shows, that she actually does care about him in some way.
But hello...
It's not ebough for a boy who starts to discover his deeper feelings towards Nanami. He doesn't want to be liked "just the way he is right now". He wants to be an equal adult to her, which means a possible relationship.

Second: Confession in the elevator. Mitsuru says, that just being with Nanami isn't enough for him anymore. So what can he mean by that? I guess something deeper and darker, than usual. Remember, that his drive to duel was to become an adult. And what is usually considered as a proof of adulthood by young people? Sex, of course (this is implied in the Shadow Play)

Of course this is just my opinion, I might be mistaken, but I guess, that something took place. Good Mitsuru

OnlyInThisLight wrote:

As far as analysis goes, I think Nanami definetly doesn't consider Mitsuru in a sexual sense.  Nanami doesn't like to be around men who she sees as sexually threatening, save for her brother, but that's only because she is in great denial that he is.  This is why she gets along so well with innocent Miki.  Nanami doesn't want to be around anything that reminds her of her own blossoming womanhood, because she falsey assumes that women cannot be princesses, only girls can, due to the behavior she sees so many 'dirty' girls exhibit around her brother, and how they are treated in turn.  She spends most of the series trying to remain a child, by throwing tantrums and seeking attention.

nnnh...that totally sums up Nanami's Touga thing in a way that I didn't fully grasp before. It's cogent, lucid, and well-thought out. I'm more than a little impressed. Maybe slightly aroused too...nice work there, OITL!

EDIT: Oh yeah, NanamixMitsuru. Like Sharnii says, they could work several years after the show, but I think it far more likely that he'll become a little brother figure to her. This may be a source of great frustration to him. If he's persistent enough, he may even be able to hook up with her, but I'm talking 10-15 years after the show, after she's looked around a bit.

Last edited by Stormcrow (09-25-2008 08:51:24 AM)

Gio wrote: The difference is if you tell Nanami 'You want to fuck your brother' she whines in your car and then tries to cut up Utena because you're WRONG. Tell Tsuwabuki that and he's like 'I'm gonna be an adult so I can POUND THAT ASS.'

Lol
Nicely put!

Nanami/Mitsuru is a great pairing in my mind^^ and as for this 'In a few years thing', not so much. I think people tend to forget that yes, Mitsuru is only 10, but Nanami is only 13! Three years isn't that much of a gap, its just for some magical reason in the Utena-verse girls get the bodies of fully developed females at 13 (Not that I really mind) I say when puberty hits Mitsuru full on (Around 12) and he starts to notice other girls and not just Nanami, thats what it's going to take for her to start really notice him that way. Just as soon as she's not the center of his world, the way she likes it. As for them even doing anything sexual in that theater during Black rose, I don't see it going farther then a kiss, which knowing Nanami would still be a big deal to her.

My libido hurts at the thought of this pairing, and not in a good way

These two were made for each other, like a quirky filler episode version of Utena and Anthy

I can't say I ever cared much for this pairing. Nanami has obviously never seen Tsuwabuki as anything more than a lackey. One that she came to care for, sure, but still a lackey. And as for Tsuwabuki, the sole reason why he became so obsessed about Nanami was because of Touga, who he thought looked so cool when saving Nanami that he wanted to become like him. The closest I can ever see their bond developing to would be that of a little brother/big sister relationship. Quite ironic considering how Tsuwabuki wishes to become something similar to a big brother to Nanami.
As for the blush scene, I always had the impression that after Tsuwabuki's duel, something matured inside of him. Something small but still very significant for his future growth. Nanami caught a glimpse of that which, even if just for a brief moment, made Tsuwabuki suddenly look more mature in her eyes, hence the blush.

Riri-kins wrote:

Does anybody else think that the writers were worried that NanaSuru would be the most controversial couple?
We didn't get to see Nanami spend the night in his dorm in episode thirty-one and the ending of his Black Rose episode is very ambiguous.

They didn't spend the night in his dorm. You're forgetting Akio's cock block.