I hate it when there's an emotional connection between Akio and Touga. Call me sadistic, but the more mocking and subtly degrading Akio is, the better. Sex between them should never be fluffy. Nor, for that matter, should it be ball gags and leather. They don't need the illusion of dominance/submission.

Quite the contrary, my dear. I was merely observing an irritating trend in the fandom. But if you insist on gaining a hint of my intended plans, you have only to glance at my signature.

Onllllllly, I feel the same about Kageyaku Means To Shine! When it first hit the scene, I thought it was really interesting. Despite my own misgivings about childbearing, I stuck with it, even finding the idea cute. But sure enough, as you said, the tale turned to the made-up characters storyline and it was just boring. =/

Seitokaichou wrote:

As for my pet peeves, ( well, I won't call it pet peeves; more like something I don't enjoy reading to the fullest though I appreciate the piece for the author's effort and hard work ), it would be including characters that come from a different anime/game/manga series.

Lordy Lordy! I hate that! Usually happens in funny stories, but you'll see it sometimes in serious ones too. Plots going well, everybody's laughing and intrigued with where the story is gonna head....suddenly, 3 or 4 (or more =/) toons are thrown in from other stories. It's like the old sitcoms from the 90s, like Roseanne & Family Matters & Boy Meets World - those shows all went downhill in the end when all sorts of new people showed up as regulars. When that happens in fanfiction, I invariably stop reading. I just never know who these people are. On the off chance I recognize one, I surely don't remember their entire past and complexities of character so that other anime character just looks like a Mary Sue thrown in. I think to efficiently handle the problem, if it's an Utena fic - and there's gonna be people from another series thrown into the story...at least devote a paragraph, if not an entire chapter, giving a brief synopsis of the world/story the character comes from.

Frau Eva, Seitokaichou, Jellineck, Frosty and Mishi = MOTHER F***ING TRUTH!

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Mishi wrote:

Anthy as an albino cream-puff? Not cool.

Maybe Anthy really let herself go after 10 years.
As for being albino? One can always wonder how Michael Jackson did it.

BioKraze wrote:

Mishi wrote:

Anthy as an albino cream-puff? Not cool.

Where did that one come from, Mishi?

I was trying to think of the most random thing possible, and I was thinking of Yu-gi-oh and a Ranma AU I once started reading where Kodachi was born albino with haemophilia and was granted phenomenal healing/chi powers by either Fistandantilus or Elminster from some Forgotten Realms/Dragonlance/Warhammer book series. And she and Ranma get together. And Ranma is a con artist.

So I was thinking albino, and in trying to think of a suitable noun, I remembered that line from Yu-gi-oh Abridged. And thus, Anthy, Red Rose of Ohtori, became Anthy, White Creampuff of Alterverse.

Depends on the author.

There's a lot of wasted potential in some series, like, say, Sailor Moon, and a lot of authors take that potential and realize it, in the process obliterating a lot of the canon. In some of those cases, the fanfic is BETTER than canon.

Frosty wrote:

Seitokaichou wrote:

As for my pet peeves, ( well, I won't call it pet peeves; more like something I don't enjoy reading to the fullest though I appreciate the piece for the author's effort and hard work ), it would be including characters that come from a different anime/game/manga series.

Lordy Lordy! I hate that! Usually happens in funny stories, but you'll see it sometimes in serious ones too. Plots going well, everybody's laughing and intrigued with where the story is gonna head....suddenly, 3 or 4 (or more =/) toons are thrown in from other stories. It's like the old sitcoms from the 90s, like Roseanne & Family Matters & Boy Meets World - those shows all went downhill in the end when all sorts of new people showed up as regulars. When that happens in fanfiction, I invariably stop reading. I just never know who these people are. On the off chance I recognize one, I surely don't remember their entire past and complexities of character so that other anime character just looks like a Mary Sue thrown in. I think to efficiently handle the problem, if it's an Utena fic - and there's gonna be people from another series thrown into the story...at least devote a paragraph, if not an entire chapter, giving a brief synopsis of the world/story the character comes from.

My sentiments exactly.

I find it annoying how so few people write the older guys of the Student Council correctly. I find it odd that people who have read my Utena fic of doom have been amazed at my portrayal of a repentant Touga and Saionji. I also find it odd how not a whole lot of the minor characters are messed with...

I have also wondered if anyone would be daring enough to emulate Alan Harnum. Besides myself.

Iris wrote:

Idealisation of characters.  Not to say that every one person is a perfect writer, that would be an impossible expectation.  But, often writers will become too attached to their views on one, and become defensive when someone else goes against it.  Just bugs me.

Here here! I too cannot bear the "oh so perfect" character, even if it is Utena herself.
I mean come on, the character's flaws are just as important, and dare I even say attractive as their glowingly good points (what few there are ).
And whoever liked a person in real life who acts "too good"? So why would we like characters who have the sun shine out of their *coff coff*? What about telling the truth about the POV of all characters in a fic? (Not one character is a saint and the others have all been evil beasts to said saint). And why do these so-starry characters appear to be thinly veiled Mary-Sues? I mean if you're going to insist on writing a Mary-Sue fanfic, then please put that in your description so I don't have to click on it and read it. Don't pretend to be Touga.

And I'm sorry, every other SKU character did not fall over themselves to admire and flatter and have sex with Juri, and why does Juri dress like a woman suddenly, and why does she speak like this: "Oh Shiorry honey. How wonderfull it is to sees you! I had the dreaming about you last night...we was both nekedd and dripin wet and you was on top. And you said ull love me foreva."

*Gag*

Yay, ranting has made me feel somewhat better!
As a new SKU fan I am wading through fanfic.net at the moment, and OMG you would not believe the mountain of trash I have had to skim through to find a few (very few) nuggets of gold. Or bronze even. (Or if you've tried it yourself, I'm sure you will believe me!)

Feel free to PM me the good spots to look for quality Utena fanfic anyone, other than Empty Movement and its' linked sites. I don't really know where else to go...internet searches are not helping me much...most SKU sites seem to have died.

Baka Kakumei Reanna wrote:

Mishi wrote:

In some of those cases, the fanfic is BETTER than canon.

Probably why Anne Rice doesn't like people writing fics of her stuff.

Quoted for fucking truth, man.

Mishi wrote:

Baka Kakumei Reanna wrote:

Mishi wrote:

In some of those cases, the fanfic is BETTER than canon.

Probably why Anne Rice doesn't like people writing fics of her stuff.

we must be reading different fanfics. The majority of Vampire Chronicle fanfic authors I've read can't seem to grasp the fact that Lestat is pansexual, would never marry their Mary-Sue (because that would limit his options) and that vampires don't have sex and aren't physically capable of bearing children.

Well, I can't speak for all of it...

But I can understand her, or any others who share her view, beliefs on the issue. I love writing and I know I'd be torn between the idea of letting my fans interpret my stories how they wish, and wanting to bitch slap them when they changed up the canon radically or tried to put unwanted messages or morals in my mouth, or anything like that.

But I think I'd be more likely to troll the comment boards of the writers of the particularly crappy fanfic authors than disallow anyone at all from putting fanfics based on my work online. No reason in punishing everyone for a few doughheads who don't understand the boundaries of creative license.

But maybe I'm just really opinionated that way.