This is a static copy of In the Rose Garden, which existed as the center of the western Utena fandom for years. Enjoy. :)

#1 | Back to Top06-29-2007 08:07:59 PM

Wolfio
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Getting People to Watch Utena?

I just recently finished the anime series, and it was amazing.

Trying to explain this to people, however, doesn't work. Anyone have any tips to getting other people to watch it?

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#2 | Back to Top06-29-2007 08:17:49 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

I've never really tried to get other people to watch Utena.  I like knowing that there's fans, but not everyone's had the luxury of watching this anime.

On World of Warcraft, I roleplay a character named "Anthy" on the Moon Guard server, and she's a slave to warlocks much like Anthy from Utena is a slave to the duelists.  But hardly anyone ever gets the reference.  I've had only two people message me saying "Hey, you like Utena, too?!"  But when I do get them, it makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. XD

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#3 | Back to Top06-29-2007 08:20:21 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

This is probably too obvious, but the best way is just to sit down with them and watch it. Don't tape their eyelids open or anything, just show them the first two episodes or one you really like (as long as it can stand well on its own) and see if they enjoy it. You won't need to talk it up as long as you can get them to pay attention for twenty to forty minutes one day.

If you can only rely on recommending it verbally, say something like "It's about lesbians and they have sword fights and it's surreal and symbolic and someone turns into a cow!"

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#4 | Back to Top06-29-2007 08:22:17 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

I have gotten two others to watch an episode, but I don't think I ever got them to watch more... one of them did already know the names of many of the characters and seemed very interested in the series, though, so maybe that one watched more. I don't really know, I've lost touch. emot-keke;

Hard show to get people into if you try to explain things. emot-keke;


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#5 | Back to Top06-29-2007 08:32:46 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

I find that some people just.. wouldn't get SKU, even if you got them to watch it all. I got my sister to watch all of it, and while she liked some parts, she didn't really get into it. She's more of a logical person and has to have everything make sense, while I love symbolism and all things abstract. I think SKU is one of those shows where people either just don't get it, or want to madly hump the whole show.. are there any people who fall somewhere in between? XD

Hm. Because SKU is 39 episodes and it doesn't really pick up until the 2nd arc, I imagine it would be hard to get other people into it. ): Even worse, I've heard the watching the movie before the series is a bad idea, because it's even more weird and makes even less sense, so I'm not sure how getting them to watch a movie first would help.

Sorry, that wasn't too positive. ): But I think you can just tell which kind of people might enjoy the series, and which might just go 'wtf?'

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#6 | Back to Top06-29-2007 08:38:45 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

I've showed Utena to four of my friends. They spend a lot of time at my house, so it's easy for me to suggest that we should all watch Utena. One of my friends makes me feel as though I'm forcing it down his throat, because he insists that he doesn't like it that much, yet he names himself after SKU characters on video games and stuff like that. Two of my other friends loved it, but not as much as I do.

The people who really like SKU are the ones who hear about it and want to watch it themselves without me offering. One of my friends asked to see it after she heard me talk about it with one of my friends, and she's the one who loved it the most, and who I can talk about the characters and even joke around about symbolism with on a regular basis.

Edit: I just remembered that I showed SKU to another one of my friends as well, but only the first few episodes. He didn't like it very much, probably because with all due respect, the first few episodes aren't all that great. I always have to tell them that it gets better at episode seven.

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#7 | Back to Top06-29-2007 08:44:58 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

I'm trying to get my friend to watch it. I've been at it for...7 years now? I think she'll give in soon.

She has yet to watch a full episode, or the movie, but she's seen a few AMVs. While she liked them, her immediate response was "Is everyone on this show gay?" To which I replied, "No, just bi." emot-tongue

If I can get her to stop obsessing over Naruto for half an hour, she could be a valuable asset to the analyzing community.


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#8 | Back to Top06-29-2007 09:00:33 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

All my friends have heard me rant and rave about SKU for hours on end at least.. twice per person. While I've explained to a great length about elements of the show [not spoilers- things like some of the more common references to things outside of SKU, how it relates to religion, what mythology comes up, the roles in terms of Chess*, Freud, other such things.], and while I always recomend it to anime fans, I certainly don't try to push it on most of my friends. And, for the ones who do watch it, I fill it with disclaimers [how the first season is aimed towards a younger crowd and to know that things with eventually mature, how there is no true villain and you have to look at everything in several ways, how metaphors never seem to rest, how you need to keep an eye on the feminist undertones and the patriarchal overtones, the general mindfuck you're going to recieve]. It's not like I don't want them to understand what I'm so crazy about, and it's not like I don't want to have people I can fangirl with in real life; I just don't want to push them into something they won't understand. Trust me, it will cause problems in the relationship on my part.

*Yes, I actually did a school project on how SKU would map out into a Chess set.


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#9 | Back to Top06-29-2007 09:01:33 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

While I've never personally turned anyone else onto the wonder that is SKU, I have come up with a reasonably accurate, short, and easy to understand description for the show if they are already an anime fan and what to know what the deal is with us SKU type people and our fanaticism for the show. emot-wink

"SKU is Evangelion except with roses and duels instead of biomechs."


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#10 | Back to Top06-29-2007 09:06:54 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

Razara wrote:

One of my friends makes me feel as though I'm forcing it down his throat, because he insists that he doesn't like it that much, yet he names himself after SKU characters on video games and stuff like that.

It's the sort of show that some people won't admit to liking, I suspect.

There's some shows I enjoy but would never tell somebody else that I did.


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#11 | Back to Top06-29-2007 09:07:48 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

Well, the only person I've managed to talk into watching SKU was my cousin. She finished the whole series in two days. She did pick up enough of the show to discuss symbolism with me, to a certain level. But whenever we talk I feel as if she's not up to it and whenever I mention how awesome the series is, she says how she didn't think it was that good.

How to make others watch it? Depends. If they're a fresh addition to the anime fandom, tell them it's one of the classics and that they won't be a real fan until they've seen Utena. Hey, tested and worked. emot-dance If the person usually doesn't watch anime, tell them it's an anti-anime, completely different from Sailormoon which just happens to be airing on TV. Because most people who don't watch anime hold a lot of prejudice towards it. /: If it's a person who doesn't seem too analytical, tell them it's about lesbians pulling swords out of each other (as compensation for lacking a man... just kidding) and that the guys are sexy whores. If the person likes yuri or yaoi... Well, kind of obvious.

By the way: It's strange that you mention it Imaginary, because my cousin liked Evangelion quite a lot, but barely likes SKU to the point of disliking.

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#12 | Back to Top06-29-2007 09:47:19 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

Let me tell you, the way I got into this anime was a weird one. I have a friend who's bi, and one day I recalled a rather strange ad on the back of my old Record of the Lodoss War comics. I looked it up, it turned out to be Utena. And since I love watching anime with other people, I thought I'd give it a shot.

If it wasn't for my friend, I would have never picked it up. I'm sure glad I did, though. We both have very different viewpoints of things, so it was nice being able to discuss the show.

I do have one friend that I know will like it, if only to pick it apart and see what she can figure out herself. Another I'm trading off with another friend by watching Gravitation and Air Gear (the things I do to get her to watch anime, honestly. But I guess since she has no interest in Utena, watching two series I have no interest in is equal trade. Maybe we'll both find something worth while...)

Another one is up in the air. I...don't think he'll take to it well. I'll think about it a bit more.

These are interesting tips; most of them point to "give up" though. XD

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#13 | Back to Top06-29-2007 10:02:33 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

hm, I brought most of my friends in watching it by my fanart emot-keke; Or I asked them if they like redheads and they should watch it immediately XD


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#14 | Back to Top06-30-2007 02:08:58 AM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

The movie always worked for me.


..Of course, now I know a bunch of movie crazed people.


Just say its like a while 39 episodes in 87 minutes, plus ...cars.

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#15 | Back to Top06-30-2007 02:45:27 AM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

Um, I asked her to watch it and she said she will.

It's only fair since I started playing World of Warcraft for her. (not on an RP server though)


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#16 | Back to Top06-30-2007 03:12:41 AM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

Imaginary Bad Bug wrote:

"SKU is Evangelion except with roses and duels instead of biomechs."

I totally agree. I've always seen it as the shojo counterpart to Eva.

*reads Arki's post, starts taking notes*

AMV's always get me into a series *shrugs*

I dunno if my friend enjoyed it but I picked a character and went through it with her (it was juri). I'm pretty convicing though it probably would have been better if I gave her a neat overview first.

It sucks, I have no one here to share my interests with, I have to MAKE fans. Thanks to this expierence, I've adopted several in-built manipulative abilities to create my own. So its not difficult. Maybe I'll bring the show up in convo with her properly, to see how I did.

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#17 | Back to Top06-30-2007 01:09:56 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

Tempt them with the lesbionic overtones/undertones?, militatry uniforms, duels... that would make me watch it. Actually, I think that's why I watched it in the first place.

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#18 | Back to Top06-30-2007 06:26:28 PM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

I know what caught my attention when I first read about Utena, that it was about a pink haired girl who wants to become a prince and she gets to become one when she gets engaged to the Rose Bride who is the key to gaining World Revolution.

Genderbending, pseudo-lesbianism and school kids who duel for the right to gain some kind of world changing power?  Of cause I'm gonna wanna watch it.

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#19 | Back to Top07-01-2007 12:09:50 AM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

Swords, uniforms, canon incest and a planetarium. emot-dance


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#20 | Back to Top07-01-2007 01:02:07 AM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

I got into SKU because I had just gotten into Princess Tutu, and several people said I would probably like SKU if I liked Tutu. I ended up loving SKU, even more than Tutu. Much, much more. It's probably the series I'm most obsessed with. And now I am checking out Serial Experiments Lain because some people said SKU fans might like it.

I also vote for giving people keywords of the series. (lesbians, incest, swords, student council with secret duels to revolutionize the world, roses, symbolism, feminism, phallic towers.. etc-love ) If that doesn't grab their attention, then maybe it's not something they would like.

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#21 | Back to Top07-01-2007 01:10:03 AM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

If it's not something they would like, then why are you friends with them?

(I kid, I kid.)


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#22 | Back to Top07-01-2007 01:18:23 AM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

I really have to gauge the friend before suggesting it.  It's certainly not for everyone; Utena requires the viewer to be willing to invest the time in not just watching the series, but analyzing it and being open to discussion and critique with those you watch it with.  My room mate of last year was one of those passionate, involved sorts, and she adored the series.

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#23 | Back to Top07-01-2007 01:18:44 AM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

SleepDebtFairy wrote:

And now I am checking out Serial Experiments Lain because some people said SKU fans might like it.

Oh, definately. While the storylines are really very different, the vibe is one that only an experienced SKU fan could handle without going absolutely insane.

I really don't try to tempt people into watching SKU, as most wouldn't really understand it. However, to get the attention of most of my friends, I just mention "HAY YAOI YURI INCEST FAIRYTALES NAKED".


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#24 | Back to Top07-02-2007 01:41:42 AM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

dollface wrote:

SleepDebtFairy wrote:

And now I am checking out Serial Experiments Lain because some people said SKU fans might like it.

Oh, definately. While the storylines are really very different, the vibe is one that only an experienced SKU fan could handle without going absolutely insane.

I really don't try to tempt people into watching SKU, as most wouldn't really understand it. However, to get the attention of most of my friends, I just mention "HAY YAOI YURI INCEST FAIRYTALES NAKED".

Yeah, that's what I figured. I just finished the third episode, and I read summary/reviews. It sounds really different but still has the crazy fucked up SKU-vibe I love. emot-dance

Good keywords, there. Things like that would grab my attention. etc-love (well, obviously.)

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#25 | Back to Top07-02-2007 05:42:51 AM

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Re: Getting People to Watch Utena?

It's not easy to convince people to just sit down and watch Utena to give it a chance;
sometimes you just need to be a bit extra persuasive...


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