ah~ the tsundere and yandere type of girls that are popular in Japanese ACG culture. I don't think Utena is a tsundere. The poor thing is just confused about herself. The fact that Touga and Akio are very charming men just serve to confuse her even more.
Movie Anthy should not count as a yandere either. She has no intention to harm Utena when she picks up the axe. It's just all in the audience's head because we expect Movie Anthy to act like her series persona.

Last edited by Itsuke (12-29-2008 12:52:57 AM)

I read up on these character archetypes on wiki not long ago... While both give creepy insight into the world of moe, yandere in particular scares the crap out of me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yandere

The examples... (shudder) Going by these standards, can any character who has not brutally murdered someone really count?

Last edited by Shiva Indis (12-29-2008 10:16:57 AM)

sharnii wrote:

A question: Are Tsundere drawn romantically to Yandere and vice versa? Is that like a stereotypical pairing? Cause from your analysis it sure seems like it...

Nothing I've ever seen would suggest that, and it's just coincidence with Razara's list and how she interpreted them.  It's not a shoujo-ai thing at all, really.  I'm guessing you're trying to relate them to the seme and uke of shonen-ai?

One of the most tsundere characters that I am familiar with is Hazuki from Moon Phase, and she's definitely not out looking for a sweet yet violently destructive girl to keep her company. She just wants Kouhei.




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Last edited by Imaginary Bad Bug (12-29-2008 02:31:05 PM)

Shiva Indis wrote:

These archetypes are mostly intended for bishojo game/moe applications. While the outwardly combative, inwardly affectionate (and awkward) character type has been seen in anime for the last 4 decades, the 'tsundere' label appeared when dating games became popular. As the player, you are introduced to a girl who is temperamental and verbally abusive, and your reward for getting past her defenses is seeing her appear helpless and admit that she likes you. Akiba-kei are into this.

How yandere evolved I don't know. It's clearly the product of a derranged mind, though.

I believe that yandere also evolved from bishoujo games. If you decide to date a girl other than the yandere, it could result in a dead end where the yandere goes psycho crazy and kills the protagonist, just like how Wakaba reacted when she saw Anthy wearing that leaf.

Give the leaf to Mikage?:
> Yes
No

Hiraku wrote:

What about Nanami? I think she's also a huge Tsundere. All this time bitchslapping Anthy while trying to ruin Utena's life with a giant statue at the stair and making their curry extra spicy, but in the end, she warned Utena about Anthy and Akio being bad news. While calling Utena dumb, really, she's just looking out for her (Love the badminton moment. I think that was a time when most of the characters showed much of their true colors under a different mask. There's still a mask, but it's refreshing, in a way)

I don't quite agree. She might not openly scream I WANNA DO MY BIG BROTHER but that's mainly she doesn't really know it. Anyways, she openly acts like she cares a lot lot about Touga, and has no doubts in bitchslappin anyone who gets in the way between them.

She is also very warm and cute towards Touga from the beginning, is just confusion what messed her up.

I forgot about Nanami because she doesn't exist to me after midnight, or so it would seem.

Nanami was most yandere when she was little. Heck, I think I should start adding, "killing his cat" to my list of tsundere behavior. Or at least, I would if I didn't think she killed it on accident... When she's older, Nanami leans more towards being a tsundere.

Awesome topic is awesome.
Sadly, I don't have anything particularly intelligent to add (as usual) but Tv Tropes does have a good explanation of Yandere and Tsundere for those who are interested.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Yandere Link to Tsundere is further down the page.
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Mock Puppet wrote:

Does the words Tsundere and Yandere rhyme?

Yes, but only because "dere" and "dere" are the same word. When I first started typing up this thread, I was actually spelling it as tsun-dere and yan-dere. "Aloof-lovestruck" and "Sick-lovestruck."

Hiraku wrote:

What about Nanami? I think she's also a huge Tsundere. All this time bitchslapping Anthy while trying to ruin Utena's life with a giant statue at the stair and making their curry extra spicy, but in the end, she warned Utena about Anthy and Akio being bad news. While calling Utena dumb, really, she's just looking out for her (Love the badminton moment. I think that was a time when most of the characters showed much of their true colors under a different mask. There's still a mask, but it's refreshing, in a way)

I'd argue that's not the result of a tsundere personality but of a changing personality.  I mean, when she was really plotting hard against Utena, that was at the beginning, when she was still just the spoiled schoolgirl.  By the time she walked in on Akio and Anthy, she was already dealing with the fallout from her own sibling relationship, and she was already shaking off her naivety.  After that kind of revelative transformation, her rivalry with Utena doesn't seem as important to her.  At least that's how I took it.

Riri-kins wrote:

Come to think of it, if we want to talk tsunderes and Tsuwabuki let's remember Mari! She's a classic case of that stereotype.

This is dead on.  Probably the most classic example of "tsundere" in the whole show, largely because everyone else is a good bit more complex than your average eroge archetype.

Last edited by Duelist Megu (01-03-2009 07:10:03 PM)

I think Juri is classic Tsundere and Kozue could be Kuudere. Of course these are just stereotypes and Utena has properly developed characters, out of the three Kuudere probably fits Kozue best though, if I had to pick one.