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#1 | Back to Top03-06-2016 08:22:22 PM

pesimistamente
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[late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

Rewatching the show I decided to pay closer attention to details and missing links. I’ve always found the spinning roses to be sometimes, quite gratuitous in several scenes, and nothing is gratuitous in Ohtori universe. But it wasn’t until the Black Rose Saga when I started developing an idea. Remember the whole story about the Onion Prince? It was quite shocking to discover Wakaba was talking all along about Saionji. I thought it was way too cheap to simply make us believe that without any tools to see it coming, and I figured the symbolism had to be there somewhere.

The first thing I noticed is that there are SEVERAL, WAY TOO MANY FRAMED SCENES IN THIS EPISODE. We even start with an unusual fairy-tale telling, this time, narrating Wakaba’s fairy tale instead of Utena’s. It’s really the only time this ever happens.

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Black_Rose_Saga/19/Series_ep19_002.jpg?m=1380853479

And then this charismatic, yet natural-hair colored (and therefore, irrelevant) character pops-up. We see him framed again, so we know he is important.

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Black_Rose_Saga/19/Series_ep19_013.jpg?m=1380853481

We see how Utena definitely ships the two of them, and despite having so many awkward encounters, we are made to believe the tension is mutual. Utena tries to help the situation, and considering the resolution of the story, there are just so many points of view floating around.

Let’s remember the context: the black rose is an entire scheme of Anthy and Akio where loads of new students are recruited as duelists, with the only requirement of holding an important emotional value to some other duelist. Someone is paying a very close look to the students relationships and dynamics, and this someone is either Mikage, Anthy or Akio. Since Akio’s relevancy is very light in this season, I’m going to go for either Anthy or Mikage depending on the situation.

And in this particular episode, there’s obviously a huge misunderstanding between pretty much everyone involved in the situation. Wakaba has been talking about a prince, but is not the Onion prince. The prince has been flirting with Utena, only to get close to Wakaba. Utena is convinced that she’s not only understanding her friend, but also helping her. Akio is manipulating Utena. Anthy is observing all these things going on.

So many points of view. As usual.

And while thinking, this scene popped up:

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Black_Rose_Saga/19/Series_ep19_107.jpg?m=1380853512

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Black_Rose_Saga/19/Series_ep19_108.jpg?m=1380853512

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Black_Rose_Saga/19/Series_ep19_109.jpg?m=1380853512

Do you see it? Each scene is framed with a different color. What made me pay attention to the color was the second one: the color of the Onion Prince (brown). Everything in the show is heavily color-coded, and the roses are color-coded as well. I never realized it until I saw such an unusual color as brown in a rose. But what could that mean? What could they try to tell us through framing scenes with color codes?

Considering the episode, my idea is the rose-framed scenes represent the holder of the point of view.

Look again. The first scene, Wakaba is telling us HER STORY through her own point of view. Later on, we see Wakaba framed by Tatsuya’s roses. We see the “love scene” through Utena’s roses (since she believed they were both crushing on each other). It’s pretty simple if you think about it.

Tatsuya is looking at Wakaba, Utena is looking at both of them, but Wakaba is not the one paying attention to Tatsuya. Utena’s roses are pink, as her hair. Tatsuya’s roses are brown. Wakaba’s roses are orange (slightly paler than Juri’s). But then, who are the white roses framing some other scenes? If is not Wakaba who is looking at Tatsuya, then who is doing it?

WHO ARE THE WHITE ROSES REPRESENTING? WHO IS LOOKING AT TATSUYA? emot-gonk

The only character left in this equation would be Anthy. However, rewatching other episodes sometimes I can’t understand why they want to let us know Anthy is paying attention to certain scenes, but in Tatsuya’s episodes it definitely works. And not only that; Anthy is the only character whom I couldn’t find a color code for her roses.

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In the black rose saga, we also see the white roses paying attention to Keiko. Considering Anthy is also Mamiya, she could be recruiting for her black roses to bloom.

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Black_Rose_Saga/21/Series_ep21_087.jpg?m=1380853714

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Black_Rose_Saga/21/Series_ep21_088.jpg?m=1380853714

This theory holds very well with the main characters.

This is the first time Utena looks at Anthy.
http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Student_Council_Arc/01/Series_ep01_033.jpg?m=1380825420

This is when Mitsuru sees Nanami going away with Mikage.
http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Black_Rose_Saga/18/Series_ep18_101.jpg?m=1385778186

Juri staring at the empty place on the bench.
http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Akio_Arc/28/Series_ep28_005.jpg?m=1380822077

This also works for the impression of themselves. This could work for how Utena sees herself:
http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Student_Council_Arc/02/Series_ep02_009.jpg?m=1380825457

And this is Akio after telling Nanami he wants his house to be a Harem:
http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Akio_Arc/31/Series_ep31_168.jpg?m=1380825044

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I decided to try out the theory is another episode where the information turned out to be misleading of the character’s feelings. I went straight to “Her Tragedy”, episode 31 of Akio’s Arc.

In this episode, we are forced to see how Nanami has to face the hurtful information that her beloved brother isn’t related to her by blood. This causes Nanami’s heart to break, and as the episode develops, we see Touga having advances with her in Akio’s car (which holds itself great sexual meaning) only for Nanami to reject him with disgust, much to Touga’s surprise. Touga is not the only one surprised, many viewers thought of Nanami’s emotions towards her brother to be incestuous, but we learn in this episode that Nanami is so disgusted with the idea of “being like Anthy” that she even rejoins the duels (after asking for a transfer) just NOT to be like Anthy.

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Akio_Arc/32/Series_ep32_143.jpg?m=1380825087

Yet, we see her staring at her brother while showering, we see her tense while he kisses her goodnight. But if we follow the color code theory, this was all Touga’s point of view, if not even his imagination or emphasis. A perspective that later on, turned out to be misleaded.

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Akio_Arc/31/Series_ep31_035.jpg?m=1380825008

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Akio_Arc/31/Series_ep31_139.jpg?m=1380825035

The same way, we see Nanami going through her photos and memories.

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Akio_Arc/31/Series_ep31_209.jpg?m=1380825050

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Akio_Arc/31/Series_ep31_119.jpg?m=1380825032

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Some of the coding is pretty simple. Utena/pink, Touga/red, Juri/orange, Miki/blue, Saionji/green, Nanami/Yellow, Akio/deep purple. The black rose duelist would follow the same logic, leaving the only question for the white rose, that I assume to be Anthy’s. It might be extremely simple, but color-coding the framed scenes to understand whose point of view are we experiencing truly helps in certain episodes. If we go with this idea, there are a couple of other ideas that might be a little more complicated, but I need to settle this one first in order to explain the most complicated ones.

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Repeated_Episode_Sequences/Prince_Story/Prince_Story_035.jpg?m=1380854302
I want to be a prince with terrible fashion sense!

What do you guys think? Is Anthy's color code white? Are the rose-framed scenes telling us whose character point-of-view are we experiencing?

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#2 | Back to Top03-06-2016 09:26:09 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

I like that, a lot. I'd be interested in hearing your other related theories, if you get time, but this seems, at least from what you've presented, to hold up.


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#3 | Back to Top03-07-2016 01:23:23 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

Ooooooh! This is a good thought! It adds another layer of meaning to the show!
Anthy could be the white rose, she is the "holder of the power of Dios". The concept of the prince must have shaped her perception of the world.


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#4 | Back to Top03-08-2016 10:28:51 AM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

So you're saying that the frames and singular roses are literally frames and points of view? It seems like a good way to keep track of what's going on, but there are a few little quirks that pop up here and there due to it.

In just For Whom the Rose Smiles alone:
• While the fangirls squeal, Utena is framed by her pink roses. It probably means that she knows that she has fans, and is pretty much alright with putting on a show for them, even if it's just walking to school.
• Meanwhile, in the Student Council meeting's card game, Touga is framed by white. He isn't associated with red until about The Sunlight Garden- Finale, when he's suddenly in the music room. (And ends up pushing Miki towards dueling...) This might mean that he's trying his hardest to act "princely"/ detached, or that white could also act as a code for the audience's view, which does seem interesting if related to Anthy as well. Miki, on the other hand, seems to be the only one out of the group that is invested in the game itself, since out of Juri and him, blue roses frame their shot.
• Chu Chu is apparently related to bananas. Obvious, but I am sure this is the only time anyone is framed by that fruit.

I might pop back in here with notes from other episodes about interesting things that happens with the frames and roses as the series progresses.
Also, relating this with the other common theory that the roses are more emotional framers tends to work since the characters themselves are so wrapped up in their own emotions and thoughts that it definitely effects their views on the world.

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#5 | Back to Top03-08-2016 01:01:31 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

zeedikay wrote:

Touga is framed by white. He isn't associated with red until about The Sunlight Garden- Finale, when he's suddenly in the music room. (And ends up pushing Miki towards dueling...)

I have a theory precisely with this moment and with Touga in general (considering Anthy could be the white rose). Will develop later.

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#6 | Back to Top03-10-2016 08:33:58 AM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

(( Hey zeedikay,

• While the fangirls squeal, Utena is framed by her pink roses. It probably means that she knows that she has fans, and is pretty much alright with putting on a show for them, even if it's just walking to school.

Oddly... I think this still supports the idea pesimistamente was proposing.  Part of being a Prince is being willing to be the center of attention... you do have to act the part of a peacock.  As such, Utena would know that you have to play to your audience.  So, she would purposely put on such a show, as it would be expected of her to do so.

In other words.  Utena knows she's just giving the audience what it wants.

Oddly, one of the darker, self-epiphanies about this sort of situation, for me was from Into the Woods, where Prince Charming literally says, "I was taught to be charming, not sincere." ))

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#7 | Back to Top03-10-2016 12:25:09 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

CarolineWellwater wrote:

Oddly... I think this still supports the idea pesimistamente was proposing.  Part of being a Prince is being willing to be the center of attention... you do have to act the part of a peacock.  As such, Utena would know that you have to play to your audience.  So, she would purposely put on such a show, as it would be expected of her to do so.

In other words.  Utena knows she's just giving the audience what it wants.

Oddly, one of the darker, self-epiphanies about this sort of situation, for me was from Into the Woods, where Prince Charming literally says, "I was taught to be charming, not sincere." ))

I wasn't refuting the idea, I was just trying to see how far it could be applied. There's a few more instances that seemed to pop out at me when looking though screenshots where the frames and roses occur, though only a few might be notable enough to say at the moment.

Although like other elements in the show, several instances of the frames and roses might be more symbolic nature than the rest in the Aiko/ Apocalypse Arcs. Take The Barefoot Girl, specifically when Mrs. Othori and Akio are alone in the lobby.
http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Akio_Arc/30/Series_ep30_193.jpg?m=1380823951http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Akio_Arc/30/Series_ep30_194.jpg?m=1380823951
Perhaps playing Playboy and Princess?

And in The One Who Will Revolutionize the World, alongside the promise that Utena and Anthy will meet again for tea in ten years.
http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Apocalypse_Arc/37/Series_ep37_192.jpg?m=1380853147

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Apocalypse_Arc/37/Series_ep37_196.jpg?m=1380853148
We all know that it wouldn't work out that way though, even if it might be a somewhat romantic wish.

Note that in both instances, red roses are the ones that spin. If we interpret the roses as points of view, it would be difficult to explain why Touga would know what happens when he's not there. Does this mean that Touga and Anthy both had very flimsy senses of self throughout the series, that their own symbols ended up being easy to apply to other characters? Or that he's a literal psychic, which probably would be pretty fun to defend as a theory on it's own.

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#8 | Back to Top03-10-2016 03:33:15 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

I think a spinning rose and the framed scenes have different meanings, since the framed scenes as points of view works very well, while the pinned spinning rose simply doesn't emot-gonk

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#9 | Back to Top03-10-2016 06:48:48 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

pesimistamente wrote:

I think a spinning rose and the framed scenes have different meanings, since the framed scenes as points of view works very well, while the pinned spinning rose simply doesn't emot-gonk

Maybe the spinning roses just are related to the basic mood of the scene, or present what mood is being presented. Perhaps like the hands in Nemuro Memorial Hall seemed to show the presence of important events.

EDIT: I just remembered that the spinning roses also tend to act as a censor, usually for the duels, like so:
http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Student_Council_Arc/05/Series_ep05_183.jpg?m=1380826117
http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Black_Rose_Saga/14/Series_ep14_118.jpg?m=1380853293

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#10 | Back to Top03-18-2016 07:32:29 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

We all know that it wouldn't work out that way though

According to Ikuhara, it does work out that way, and the final scene with the picture on the table is meant to represent that.

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#11 | Back to Top03-19-2016 06:54:34 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

This is amazing and now I want to re-watch everything with this in mind.

zeedikay wrote:

Although like other elements in the show, several instances of the frames and roses might be more symbolic nature than the rest in the Aiko/ Apocalypse Arcs. Take The Barefoot Girl, specifically when Mrs. Othori and Akio are alone in the lobby.  Chu...  Chu...
Perhaps playing Playboy and Princess?

The roses representing perceptions rather than roles still makes total sense here.

If red is Touga, we know Touga's perception of Akio is playboy. Successful seducer, like in this scene with Mrs. Ohtori. He identifies with and wants to be like Akio, especially in this way.

White may be Anthy (which would be ultra interesting when we recall we've also long considered it the Prince's color). Anthy's perception in this scene is more focused on Mrs. Ohtori, which could mean a lot of things. Either simply that she's well aware that Akio is with lots of women, that she's resentful of those women, that she feels Mrs. Ohtori is the more important one in the scene, etc.

In terms of that last, there's always been something about that scene that appeared to go two ways to me. On one hand you can view Akio as taking advantage of Mrs. Ohtori, seducing her in order to get something from her. On the other hand, Mrs. Ohtori is the one that has the power to give. If Akio doesn't please her, maybe she can easily take it away. One one hand, you can see Mrs. Ohtori coming to Akio like an addict. One the other hand, you can view it as her having Akio in his very own bird cage, which she visits at her whim.

This is emphasized by the roses-as-point-of-view.

We know that Touga was an orphan and that even after being adopted his parents were distant. It follows that he has a deep, compulsive need as a result for attention and affection, but difficultly bonding (developing genuine attachments). Not only does his focus on Akio in this scene resonate with Touga's desires, it also resonates with his insecurities. While Akio is indeed desired, he's also used.

Anthy is harder to pin down, but she always is. The part of her relationship with Akio that is based on possessiveness, focusing on Mrs. Ohtori is focusing on Anthy's continued inability to have Akio all to herself. The part of her relationship that is based on protectiveness, focusing on Mrs. Ohtori is focusing on Akio's continued inability to be free from the demands of others--even in his own home (which he has only through Mrs. Ohtori anyway), even about his own body. The part of her relationship with Akio that is based on resentment, focusing on Mrs. Ohtori is focusing on Akio's worse self, one way or another, either his manipulativeness or his underlying patheticness.

The older I get, the more cruel I think this show is to Akio. I guess it is his own fault, but still. It's sad.



Aelanie wrote:

...it does work out that way, and the final scene with the picture on the table is meant to represent that.

If that photo represents them being back together, why isn't it a new photo instead of an old one? It represents the importance of their relationship, and hope. Not certainty. If the message had been certainty, it could have been a more certain scene.

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#12 | Back to Top03-20-2016 02:02:43 AM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

rhyaniwyn wrote:

White may be Anthy (which would be ultra interesting when we recall we've also long considered it the Prince's color).

Ep 3's opening fairytale has white roses with the princess/sad girl left waiting patiently in the breeze as the prince departs and turns pink when Utena chooses to be a prince.

Because of that very helpful post of Ikuhara's episode commentaries in the other thread, I've been reminded that Anthy is someone who still wants to be a princess.

So, I'm liking white roses for Anthy.


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#13 | Back to Top03-20-2016 11:58:59 AM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

Decrescent Daytripper wrote:

rhyaniwyn wrote:

White may be Anthy (which would be ultra interesting when we recall we've also long considered it the Prince's color).

Ep 3's opening fairytale has white roses with the princess/sad girl left waiting patiently in the breeze as the prince departs and turns pink when Utena chooses to be a prince.

Because of that very helpful post of Ikuhara's episode commentaries in the other thread, I've been reminded that Anthy is someone who still wants to be a princess.

So, I'm liking white roses for Anthy.

Haha I even got to think that somehow that could mean Anthy "hacked" Utena's memories the same way she did with Nemuro's. But that's also because I always believed that Touga is Utena's prince (as in the movie) and once she enters Ohtori, Touga's image is replaced with Dios (who is awfully similarly looking to Mamiya).

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Repeated_Episode_Sequences/Prince_Story/Prince_Story_002.jpg?m=1380854296

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Repeated_Episode_Sequences/Prince_Story/Prince_Story_003.jpg?m=1380854297

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Repeated_Episode_Sequences/Prince_Story/Prince_Story_030.jpg?m=1380854302

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#14 | Back to Top03-20-2016 12:03:59 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

I mean we just don't talk about this enough.

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Black_Rose_Saga/22/Series_ep22_104.jpg?m=1380853761

http://ohtori.nu/gallery/var/resizes/Series/Episodes/Apocalypse_Arc/34/Series_ep34_159.jpg?m=1380852875

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#15 | Back to Top03-20-2016 01:21:29 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

It's such a delightfully weird show. Any time you think you've got a hold on it there's Mamiya or not only can Utena and Shiori turn into cars, but Wakaba, and she doesn't even have to make a big deal about it. Kangaroo boxing.


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#16 | Back to Top03-20-2016 04:27:11 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

If white is Anthy, in the flashback Anthy focuses on Utena as a princess being rescued by a prince. This is who she thinks Utena is--after all, she's a girl. She says this pretty clearly in the show, and it makes sense that Anthy would focus on that, considering.

If pink is Utena, and to Utena the important part of the story is deciding she wants to be a Prince--that's how she sees herself.

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#17 | Back to Top03-20-2016 04:35:19 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

pesimistamente wrote:

I mean we just don't talk about this enough.
*images*

Let's not forget that the former image isn't actually Mamiya, but Anthy posing as him and warping Nemuro's memory so that she can manipulate Mikage's actions in the "present". Anthy is Akio's (and by extension Dios') sister, so it follows that they share a lot of the same features when Anthy takes on this disguise. Come to think of it, her image of Dios was probably the basis for this projection of hers in the first place. Is there some significance in that choice? Perhaps, but it's also arguable that for the sake of the plan she just needed to look like a young boy, and Dios was the only form she could come up with.


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#18 | Back to Top03-20-2016 04:51:12 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

Chrome Homura wrote:

Anthy is Akio's (and by extension Dios') sister

To paraphrase her, though, "Really, she's more like his daughter."

I'm not sure that there isn't something deliberate in the similar looks or some other touches. Anthy's such a drag queen in some ways, I've always been a little amused by "Manthy" criticisms. There's a lot of clothing-as-armor stuff in SKU, but Anthy's totally her own personal dress-up doll. It's probably a kink with her.


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#19 | Back to Top03-08-2017 03:00:07 PM

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pesimistamente wrote:

I mean we just don't talk about this enough.

Chu...

Chu...

This ressemblance maybe would forwards to the manga. In the manga, Anthe is who split Dios and Akio; and Dios is a illusion created by Anthy only because she wants to believe that the kind prince that her brother was still living somewhere, I strongly believe that when Anthy leaves the school Dios stop existing.

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#20 | Back to Top05-18-2017 07:16:38 PM

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Re: [late analysis] The meaning behind the spinning roses and framed scene

Wolfgang wrote:

pesimistamente wrote:

I mean we just don't talk about this enough.

Chu...

Chu...

This ressemblance maybe would forwards to the manga. In the manga, Anthe is who split Dios and Akio; and Dios is a illusion created by Anthy only because she wants to believe that the kind prince that her brother was still living somewhere, I strongly believe that when Anthy leaves the school Dios stop existing.

I like this a lot etc-love

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