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#1 | Back to Top04-06-2016 01:32:46 AM

zevrem
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What are your rules for life?

Most of them are very personal, but here are a few that I feel safe posting here.

Don't take pains to persecute/hate the poor. If I hate a certain group of people that happen to be poor, they'll give me plenty of reasons to hate them that maybe are related to poverty but are not part and parcel of poverty. This makes my thinking with regard to politics much more calm and rational and helps distance me from vulgar apologists for the system even as I also seek to distance myself from parasitic radicals.

Don't take pains to protect/advance the rich. Rich people aren't of any use to me unless they're giving money to me or something I care about. If I admire a person who has made a lot of money, then I'll admire their judgment and discretion, but NOT their wealth. This has similar effects on my mind to the previous rule.

Avoid everything that smacks of polyandry. This includes a lot of TV shows and common institutions. In both a formal and informal sense, polyandry is a LOT more common than most would admit, and you'll see it practically everywhere if you make the effort to.

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#2 | Back to Top04-06-2016 02:49:38 AM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

I try to keep myself in check, any time I think I've got things figured out and sorted. And, to remind myself that everyone - regardless of anything else - has a daily life filled with all sorts of hardships, awkwardness, and wonders that I don't see and can't predict.

And, to not turn down food when it's presented.

zevrem wrote:

Most of them are very personal, but here are a few that I feel safe posting here.

Don't take pains to persecute/hate the poor. If I hate a certain group of people that happen to be poor, they'll give me plenty of reasons to hate them that maybe are related to poverty but are not part and parcel of poverty. This makes my thinking with regard to politics much more calm and rational and helps distance me from vulgar apologists for the system even as I also seek to distance myself from parasitic radicals.

Don't take pains to protect/advance the rich. Rich people aren't of any use to me unless they're giving money to me or something I care about. If I admire a person who has made a lot of money, then I'll admire their judgment and discretion, but NOT their wealth. This has similar effects on my mind to the previous rule.

And yet, you use much more complimentary language, there, and a much more positive framing for the rich than the poor. You may not be as rational about this as you feel you are, particularly if you're talking about "vulgar apologists for the system" and "parasitic radicals" in contrast to your admiration of the "judgment and discretion" of some people who happen to be rich.


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#3 | Back to Top04-06-2016 07:36:27 AM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

You have to admit, most monopolies got where they are today because they're the only ones to put forward a sincere effort at succeeding in their industry. But aside from that, most people get rich by getting lucky and finding good engineers, or relying on subsidy.

I didn't mean for my rules to be a total inversion of values, just a means of counterbalancing vulgar tendencies in myself, which is why you take issue with them. Sorry. And I shouldn't say parasitic radicals, that's taking the POV of a system.that doesn't have my best interests at heart. I really mean that even if I became rich, I wouldn't fight to help/protect the rich generally, solidarity for the wealthy tends to be very unsustainable without infinite resources to exploit. But that doesn't mean that I'd be particularly kind to any group that threatened to make my life more... irregular.

As for you, I'd advise you to always keep in mind, at least privately, that morals are without exception self serving.

There is no equality, it's not even theoretically possible. We can, with relative ease, achieve free flow of information and even basic human rights and other things that people have in mind when they throw around the word "equality," and in fact it's easier to create a system that has these things than one without them, but if you can't create a system in which two meter sticks are of exactly equal length, then you bloody well can't create a system in which two people are "equal."

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#4 | Back to Top04-06-2016 10:13:55 PM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

zevrem wrote:

You have to admit, most monopolies got where they are today because they're the only ones to put forward a sincere effort at succeeding in their industry. But aside from that, most people get rich by getting lucky and finding good engineers, or relying on subsidy."

I'm not sure either of those is true. In fact, I'd put good money on both being false, but very good myths to tip the market in your favor. Money, in general, tends to follow money. And, to be safeguarded by it, as well.


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#5 | Back to Top04-07-2016 02:33:08 AM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

Generally; stay positive, don't sweat the small stuff and don't worry about stuff that's out of your hands. Stay chill. 8)


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#6 | Back to Top04-08-2016 07:53:21 PM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

There are no "haves" and "have nots." You're either going up, or you're going down. If you think there's a middle ground, then try balancing a needle on its point and get back to me on that.


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#7 | Back to Top04-08-2016 08:46:59 PM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

No matter how complicated you think it is, it's probably more complicated than that.  Try to understand anyway.

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#8 | Back to Top04-10-2016 10:23:32 AM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

zevrem wrote:

There are no "haves" and "have nots." You're either going up, or you're going down. If you think there's a middle ground, then try balancing a needle on its point and get back to me on that.

How about posting a rectangular building block on its end instead of a needle, if we're going to pick random objects to set up straw men? Because, you know, it totally works then.

If you want something more specific than haves or have nots I'd suggest working with standard deviations or something to define each group a bit more meaningfully. Then it should become apparent that while, yes, people are often going up or down, they are still going up or down in their own little bubble. My net worth went down after I got my coffee this morning but, I can personally assure you, my quality of life remained quite unchanged. That would not be the case if this morning I had gone out and decided to drop 750k dollars in a fire instead. My quality of life would be all sorts of changed then, and in shot order. There is a meaningful difference between having housing with heating, or worrying about freezing outside in the broken car you live in over the winter.

That's not just a "trending up or down" thing. If you disagree, I suggest you try it. "Having" heating is very different from "not having" heating. The same goes for plumbing, the ability to purchase multiple meals a day, and much else. Because yes, you have more with two dollars than with one dollar. But if you can't buy a single meal with the difference, that extra dollar is pretty meaningless. In contrast, that extra dollar is much more useful if it's the magic one that enables you to afford X (even if the percentage increase it brings to your net worth is much smaller).

zevrem wrote:

morals are without exception self serving

How so? I can think of several moral arguments (which I may or may not personally subscribe to) for, in certain circumstances, acting against your own best interests. What if someone's morals are suggesting self-immolation as a protest against policies they perceive as oppressive? The protest will either succeed, or fail. If it fails, it's really not serving anyone's interest. If it succeeds, there's a good chance the original protester won't be around to reap any of the changes so, again, he's not directly serving his own interests. The only way (I see) in which you could frame their interests as having been served is that they were able to act on behalf of what they felt was "right" or "good," even though they did so with the understanding they would receive no tangible benefit, and would suffer significant pain.

Or what if I (as a man) feel that it is immoral to pay women less for equal work or something? It's a pretty strong stretch to say that I'm serving my own interests there (unless "my interest" = "living in a more just world", in which case sure, I'd agree, but I wouldn't frame that as a bad thing).

I assure you that, as a white male, it would have been in my self-interest to have other races barred from higher education. That would have narrowed down the applicant pool significantly back when I was looking at colleges. It would have narrowed down the applicant pool for jobs requiring higher education post-college as well, and I certainly wouldn't mind an easier time of getting the job I want. Once more though, my (clear) self-interest in that case does not line up with what I find to be moral.

I find it hard to paint any of this as self-serving. And if we are painting such things as self-serving, than I fail to see any issue with "self-serving" actions, because their definition has become so broad as to encompass everyone's actions on an everyday basis. I think I want to breath and do so? Self-serving (and yeah, it is, but so what?). I think having police beat people is immoral and say so? Self-Serving. Then again, if I think having police beat people is moral and say so? Self serving. The term becomes totally meaningless when you allow yourself to use it that broadly.

Edit: As far as my own stuff, I remember some girl in college had a sign on her door. I forget exactly how it read, but it was something to the effect of "everyone has their own little problems". I agree. I don't think I have an adequately developed life philosophy beyond that, but I try to keep in mind that life's (unpredictably) short, and you only get to do it once (to the best of my knowledge, at least).

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#9 | Back to Top04-10-2016 03:06:05 PM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

How so? I can think of several moral arguments (which I may or may not personally subscribe to) for, in certain circumstances, acting against your own best interests. What if someone's morals are suggesting self-immolation as a protest against policies they perceive as oppressive? The protest will either succeed, or fail. If it fails, it's really not serving anyone's interest. If it succeeds, there's a good chance the original protester won't be around to reap any of the changes so, again, he's not directly serving his own interests. The only way (I see) in which you could frame their interests as having been served is that they were able to act on behalf of what they felt was "right" or "good," even though they did so with the understanding they would receive no tangible benefit, and would suffer significant pain.

Even if your sense of self is a little "bigger" than someone who only cares about himself, it's still centered on you and personal experience.

Or what if I (as a man) feel that it is immoral to pay women less for equal work or something? It's a pretty strong stretch to say that I'm serving my own interests there (unless "my interest" = "living in a more just world", in which case sure, I'd agree, but I wouldn't frame that as a bad thing).

I assure you that, as a white male, it would have been in my self-interest to have other races barred from higher education. That would have narrowed down the applicant pool significantly back when I was looking at colleges. It would have narrowed down the applicant pool for jobs requiring higher education post-college as well, and I certainly wouldn't mind an easier time of getting the job I want. Once more though, my (clear) self-interest in that case does not line up with what I find to be moral.

I could actually come up with a few self-serving ideas which could motivate this, just off the top of my head.

1. Fear of confrontation and a resulting tendency towards appeasement

2. Fear of confusion and a desire for things to "make sense," which would motivate a drive for "equality."

3. Fear that one day, you might end up falling to the bottom of the pyramid, and so you want the bottom to move up a little. Most people in the middle classes harbor these fears, at least subliminally.

4. Resentment/distaste for a large proportion of other white male students, pushing you towards "strange bedfellow" type alliances. Educated liberals have a much stronger tendency towards aristocratic sensibilities than conservatives, so the churlish behavior of a lot of "conservative" types would be fairly off-putting to them.

5. Stemming from #4, a desire to ally yourself with an outgroup and use them as a constituency to give yourself a sense of power. This is a "democracy," after all.

6. "Good" is a proxy for "safety," in most people's minds. It's such an oft-repeated term that they become confused.

I find it hard to paint any of this as self-serving. And if we are painting such things as self-serving, than I fail to see any issue with "self-serving" actions, because their definition has become so broad as to encompass everyone's actions on an everyday basis. I think I want to breath and do so? Self-serving (and yeah, it is, but so what?). I think having police beat people is immoral and say so? Self-Serving. Then again, if I think having police beat people is moral and say so? Self serving. The term becomes totally meaningless when you allow yourself to use it that broadly.

It's not so selfless when everything you mentioned is tied to some kind of large-scale group activity and often serves as a means of encouraging mob violence. People often seek safety in crowds, nobody wants to be on the fringes when the rocks start flying. It's always easier to loot or to beat people up when you have a small army at your back.

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#10 | Back to Top04-12-2016 10:22:43 AM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

No effort is wasted; nothing is lost.  If I think positively for a minute, struggle to sprint for a second, extend a hesitant hand to help someone else, or take one step outside of my front door - then it doesn't matter if I fail to reach some greater goal, nor if I worry over the worth of myself or my work.  There's nobility in the attempt to be better, and that's what matters, far more than any result.

A na´ve rule, perhaps, but one that's kept me alive so far.

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#11 | Back to Top04-16-2016 01:31:53 AM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

Don't mix analyses of sex economics with financial economics. The right likes to use financial economics to criticize sex economy, while leftists have the opposite tendency. Both are wrong and parasitic and prone to all forms of irrationality.


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#12 | Back to Top04-17-2016 05:29:16 PM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

As a rule, I try to live by everything that Valeli writes for he is clearly a reasonable human.

zevrem wrote:

morals are without exception self serving

And thus, the curse of neurosis has been lifted from mankind!

Onto the topic, I am very many things that don't normally go together at all. Rules, huh? emot-smile I am extremely lucky to not suffer from schizophrenia.

I'll share one of the few rules that I actually tend to abide: avoid strongly opinionated people. Avoid becoming one all the more.


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#13 | Back to Top04-21-2016 01:13:03 PM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

I really don't know why I spent so much time arguing in favor of rich people. Maybe it was a quixotic belief in libertarianism and its infinite possibilities /s or my distaste with leftism. But I do know that arguing in favor of protecting the political power of rich people is stupid.


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#14 | Back to Top04-27-2016 09:36:46 PM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

You should know what your mother, father, etc, would want at end of life. And no matter how young you are, they should know what you'd want for yourself. You're never too young for this conversation.

Travelling when you retire is code for 'not travelling.' Just do it now.

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#15 | Back to Top05-06-2016 06:41:09 AM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

Giovanna wrote:

You should know what your mother, father, etc, would want at end of life. And no matter how young you are, they should know what you'd want for yourself. You're never too young for this conversation.

Travelling when you retire is code for 'not travelling.' Just do it now.

Masturbate.

Well, if you insist.


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#16 | Back to Top05-06-2016 04:04:39 PM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

1. Always doubt and question power (and those who benefits)
2. Always share information
3. Never regret spending money on food, for yourself or for others

That's pretty much it.

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#17 | Back to Top05-07-2016 08:50:56 AM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

If you lose at solitaire four times in a row, make sure you're playing with a whole deck.


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#18 | Back to Top05-07-2016 10:04:08 AM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

Some spoilers can actually be helpful. You just need some idea of what you're getting into sometimes.

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#19 | Back to Top05-12-2016 05:35:25 PM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

Virtue is something applied to the self. Morality is something applied to OTHERS. Given these definitions, there is nothing inherently virtuous about having strong "morals."


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#20 | Back to Top05-14-2016 12:48:50 AM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

Virtue is something that exists in and of itself, and may (at times) be reflected in actions taken by the self.

Morality is something that encompasses virtue. As with virtue, it has no meaning of value unless you can apply it to yourself AS WELL as to everyone else, and no virtuous action can be immoral.

Given these definitions, there is nothing that rules out virtue from being applied to both parties, and being virtuous is inherently equivalent to being moral.


... I think I agree with you about the purpose of elections though.

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#21 | Back to Top06-02-2016 07:26:46 PM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

The internet is not the end all, be all source of information. There really is something in worldly experience, when you allow yourself to find it.

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#22 | Back to Top06-03-2016 06:02:06 PM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

I can't help but feel that this is directed at me. emot-biggrin I'm fine with it if it is.


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#23 | Back to Top06-04-2016 05:23:28 PM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

I'm pretty sure it's just something that a lot of us have discovered independently, in all kinds of contexts! emot-biggrin

A rule I'm trying to live by is not to feed worry. I'm very much a worrier, but sometimes I have the opportunity to do something besides worry, and at moments where anxiety doesn't accomplish anything, worrying only makes me worry more. I'm still trying to work out how to differentiate healthily refusing to fixate on anxiety from unhealthily suppressing and bottling up anxiety. It's a tough hair to split, but important for me and my mental health!

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#24 | Back to Top07-14-2016 12:27:36 AM

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Re: What are your rules for life?

Work hard. Take care of those around you. Don't take things for granted.


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