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#301 | Back to Top03-16-2015 11:03:34 PM

Arale
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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Does anyone know who the bear that the kuma cannon shot [instead of Lulu] was?


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#302 | Back to Top03-17-2015 09:22:57 AM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Ep 10 and I finally took to Kureha, yay! Better late than never, I suppose.[ It was that scene by the end where she told bear!Lulu that they were not friends, that next time she would shoot her just so Lulu would steer clear from this world. Then Kureha's smile as she said to herself that it was the right thing to do... perhaps not too original but still it got to me.]
As for Lulu, she is awesome, simple as that.

Grrr arrgh! Edit because spoilers. I'm awfully sorry for having forgotten to use them before.

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#303 | Back to Top03-17-2015 12:57:19 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

The part where [Lulu stopped being able to keep her girl form almost made me cry.

Oh man, speaking of Lulu... I really like that she and Kureha formed their own bond outside of Ginko's feelings towards Kureha. I wish we got to see more of that. Before, I really only liked Kureha and Ginko together, but now I can kind of see the OT3 they're pushing for in the credits. (Except of course for Ginko/Lulu, since Ginko hasn't shown any interest in reciprocating her feelings. So that would have to be fixed first!)
]

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#304 | Back to Top03-17-2015 02:27:20 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

I can definitely see the Utena stuff here. I knew it as of last episode; after all...

The Door of Night
The Door of Friends


I have a theory, based on the story book. With a *ahem* creative change...

isagiyoku nugisuteru hadaka ni naru
juu wo mau bara no youni
tatoe futari hanarebanare ni natte mo
watashi wa sekai wo kaeru

    Bravely strip down to nothing at all,
    Like a rose spinning free.
    Even if the two of us are ever severed,
    I will change the world.


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#305 | Back to Top03-17-2015 03:30:15 PM

Maarika
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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Nocturnalux wrote:

[That kuma shock at the end, is Kureha going to become a bear? Now that would be very interesting.]

Or maybe [she was a bear to begin with? So far we've only seen the transformation approved by the court go from bear to human.]

Arale wrote:

Does anyone know who the bear that the kuma cannon shot [instead of Lulu] was?

That's what I'd like to know too, and I've got no proof but based on the previous episode, [we see Mitsuko roaming around the campus before she goes to see Ginko. So unless there are other bears around that we don't know about, it may have been her, provided that she's not as dead as she claimed she was? I don't really know though. Or if we go by the theory that everyone is secretly a bear, then maybe Kaoru? I mean, Konomi got both shot and was eaten by Mitsuko and she still came back, so I wouldn't put it past them, lol.]


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#306 | Back to Top03-23-2015 03:22:26 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Episode 11

Somehow I get the feeling Ikuhara, after getting flak from people about Mawaru Penguindrum went ahead and said OK FINE I'LL MAKE A NORMAL ANIME. I'LL MAKE AN ANIME ABOUT BEARS AND LESBIANS AND THEN YOU'LL SEE. YOU'LL ALL SEE I CAN MAKE NORMAL ANIME LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. FUCK YOU ALL. emot-gonk

[Is anyone really THAT surprised Lulu dies sacrificing herself for Ginko, especially after that opening? All joking aside, it did make me tear up. emot-frown Lulu really is #bestbear]

Can't wait for the finale!


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#307 | Back to Top03-23-2015 03:32:26 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

YamPuff wrote:

[Is anyone really THAT surprised Lulu dies sacrificing herself for Ginko, especially after that opening? All joking aside, it did make me tear up. emot-frown Lulu really is #bestbear]

Can't wait for the finale!

Yes, same here. [I was expecting that earlier actually.]
Finally we'll find out about [Kureha's crime and the reason she's on trial] next week.

SO EXCITED emot-danceemot-gonk


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#308 | Back to Top03-23-2015 08:56:02 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

[Yeah, Lulu's sacrifice was pretty much a given. A shame as she was the closest to an interesting character. And by the looks of it Ginko herself is gearing up for a grand final sacrifice, at least if she take phantom!Mitsuko's words that a bear who lets go of their desire is done for. And speaking of Mitsuko, I'm sure it's completely unrelated but I cannot help but think of Sono Shion whenever she appears. In Sono's very, very whacky and disturbing movies (that incidentally make Yuri Kuma look ever so tame), there is very often a highly messed up character who goes by the name of 'Mitsuko' and whose role is to ignite everyone else's instincts even if it is at the expense of common decency.
All that chanting, red background and black sllhouttes really reminded me of Anthy's fate at the hands of the angry mob.
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#309 | Back to Top03-26-2015 05:05:34 AM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Nocturnalux wrote:

[Yeah, Lulu's sacrifice was pretty much a given. A shame as she was the closest to an interesting character. And by the looks of it Ginko herself is gearing up for a grand final sacrifice, at least if she take phantom!Mitsuko's words that a bear who lets go of their desire is done for. And speaking of Mitsuko, I'm sure it's completely unrelated but I cannot help but think of Sono Shion whenever she appears. In Sono's very, very whacky and disturbing movies (that incidentally make Yuri Kuma look ever so tame), there is very often a highly messed up character who goes by the name of 'Mitsuko' and whose role is to ignite everyone else's instincts even if it is at the expense of common decency.
All that chanting, red background and black sllhouttes really reminded me of Anthy's fate at the hands of the angry mob.
]

Eh, Mitsuko is at best, an unreliable narrator.

I thought of the swords of hate for that scene myself. It's very damn disturbing.


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#310 | Back to Top03-28-2015 03:04:40 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Might anyone have a video of the [ million swords-style exclusion scene ] from ep 11, or the exclusion ceremonies in general? I want to show them to a friend to prove a point before my friend group actually becomes the goddamn Invisible Storm. ><;


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#311 | Back to Top03-30-2015 12:29:10 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Did anyone notice that Ginko's boots now have a wicked high heel on them?

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#312 | Back to Top03-30-2015 01:37:33 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

I finished the last episodes and I have many thoughts.

[- I guess Kureha, Ginko, Lula and Lula's brother are in heaven.

- So Sumika was a goddess all this times? That make think maybe all what happen was like a test make by Sumika to see if Kureha and Ginko can end together.

-Kureha and Ginko are kinda cute but I don't really like the fact Ginko wanted Sumika die and since bears can be see as rapist that make me a bit incomfortable. emot-gonk

-I found the judgebears dick to accept Kureha's wish. She was just a goddam kid who doesn't even know what pride is. She was clearly too young to make an important decision.
]


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#313 | Back to Top03-30-2015 02:20:13 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Well, that sure happened. Gao gao.


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#314 | Back to Top03-30-2015 02:25:53 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Ahh I really enjoyed that! It was a great ending imo.

[I had wanted Kureha and Ginko together all along. Kureha was really adorable as a bear.  I'm glad they got together in the end.

Sumika! I wasn't crazy about her throughout the series (I found her boring) but I liked her as Kumalia. I kept thinking "what about Kureha's feelings for Sumika?" so it was good that her storyline was wrapped up this way. They couldn't have done it better, imo.

MIRUN!! He was my favorite bear even though he was only in one episode, so I was really excited to see him and Lulu together again, and it was sweet when he gave her the kiss. That was my favorite part of the episode actually.
]

All in all the show had some flaws and I didn't like it as much as Penguindrum, but I did enjoy it. It could have used some more episodes to really flesh out the story.  Still, I'm going to miss it. It was one of my favorite shows of the season. I hope Ikuhara makes more anime soon.

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#315 | Back to Top03-30-2015 04:11:14 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

WOW. Finale was better than I expected. I agree it's an anime much heavier on theme and message than characterization, but when that it's handled so well, I have absolutely no complaints. The ending was, I think, thematically perfect. I don't think it could or should have ended any other way. Lots of great kuma shocks, definitely did NOT see those coming! I don't know if the series is worth a rewatch, knowing everything from the start would probably make it hard to get through the exposition and flashbacks and stuff. Still, great work and I definitely want more Ikuhara anime!

Also the judge bears fly off into space. Shabadadoooooooooooooooooo!~

Ok one question: [What is the significance of the comet exploding in space and causing bears to attack people? Knowing what we know now, it doesn't make any sense to me.]


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#316 | Back to Top03-30-2015 04:19:21 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

I do like the show but something really annoying me

[
I really don't like how Ginko's and Lula's motivation suddenly change. In earlier episodes they talk about how they want eat girls and especially Kureha. Heck, it has an episode that end with them revealing to Kureha  they are bears and they are going to eat her....and then in the next episode they are at Kureha's house and that like the scene never happened and now Ginko's motivation is her love for Kureha. That's like as if in the middle of the black rose saga Mikage suddenly stop brainwashing students and turn into a nice guy who try saving students from Akio. WTF
]


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#317 | Back to Top03-30-2015 05:10:52 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

YamPuff wrote:

Ok one question: [What is the significance of the comet exploding in space and causing bears to attack people? Knowing what we know now, it doesn't make any sense to me.]

[Well, from a literal standpoint, the planet was also the goddess Kumaria (man, I'm glad FUNi changed the spelling; even during the promos, it felt more natural than "Kumalia"). She exploded and her debris (which the Judgemens were a part of) rained down on the Earth, to finally reassemble when Kureha summoned her. Mind you, it wasn't those pieces of Kumaria that drove the bears to start eating people, but what the explosion represented. In Ginko's childhood episode, we saw the bears making careful plans to have their unwanted (holy crap, it's the Child Broiler all over again!) assault the humans while invoking Kumaria's name to send them into a religious fervor.

If my suspicion is right, it's not the explosion of Planet Kumaria that set off the bears' bloodlust, but that the perversion of the goddess' name made the planet go boom.

Mind you, I'm pulling these thoughts out on the fly, so I can't say how accurate I am. But, at the moment, that's what makes sense to me.
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#318 | Back to Top03-30-2015 06:23:20 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Finale:

[Oh wow, can't believe I got it right and Kureha did become a bear herself. Sumika!Kumalia was way too Madoka for my taste, when she descended from the sky with those wings and billowy dress.

All and all I liked the ending much better than I thought I would, having Kureha turn into a bear was an interesting turn but I wonder if it doesn't sort of defeat the whole point. If the idea is that humans and bears can love each other then having Kureha turn into a bear pretty much goes to show that only love between bears can be recognized.

But I really loved the Promise Kiss sequence, for a series with yuri in the actual title this sure did a lot of teasing before actually showing a kiss.

I also liked how one of the Invisible Storm girls befriends the defective bear cyborg at the end.
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#319 | Back to Top03-30-2015 06:29:30 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Specifically, that girl was the one firing Konomi's cannon! Her name is Uko Ai.

The ending was very much Utena, what with the ["the system remains in place, but painted in a pathetic light and with hope shown that everyone else will break free from it" plot.]


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#320 | Back to Top03-30-2015 06:58:31 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Eh... The finale felt WAY too on the nose to me. I enjoyed the series enough, but [Kureha turning into a bear kind of causes the whole transcendental love theme to come to a grinding halt. It's even more damning when Ikuhara had successfully executed this theme in the past almost flawlessly with Utena and Anthy.]

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#321 | Back to Top04-02-2015 01:34:02 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

So this exists.


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#322 | Back to Top04-04-2015 01:16:35 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

I just watched the first episode of yuri kuma arashi XDDDDD

and I'm laughing for no apparent reason and all I think is:
IKUHARAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA what have you done
emot-roflemot-roflemot-roflemot-rofl

by the way that school layout, being red and has round staircase etc, sooooooooo Utena XD


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#323 | Back to Top04-13-2015 03:43:26 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Anthiena wrote:

So this exists.

L O fucking L


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#324 | Back to Top12-22-2015 08:41:32 AM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

Just finished watching. Thought is was slightly weaker than Penguindrum but did some things better. I just hope we don't have to wait another 4 years for a new Ikuhara series.


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#325 | Back to Top02-27-2016 11:55:54 PM

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Re: New Ikuhara anime!

I'm 2/3 through YKA, and I've got to say, despite Ikuhara's obvious self-indulgence at every turn (which I can't fault him for--it's his thing) I'm really liking it so far! Overall, I think its message and metaphors are "cleaner" than Penguindrum's, and God is it gorgeous. As I've mentioned before, I think Penguindrum's message got muddled in all the visual flair, but in YKA it seems more balanced.

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