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#1 | Back to Top10-17-2010 06:54:40 PM

teyhy
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WTH? Epsiode 22

Utena's lines in episode 22 have always bothered me. This happens in ep 22 a little after the shadow play scene.

Utena: Look, you don't have to do what this mysterious guy tells you to do!
Himemiya: But, it can't be helped.
Himemiya: Because I am the rose bride.

What happens here? Did Utena discovered who end of the world is? If she did how?
Thoughts?

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#2 | Back to Top10-18-2010 12:51:04 AM

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Re: WTH? Epsiode 22

I don't see where the confusion is. Mikage is just walking into the middle of a conversation between the two, and it's a conversation that Utena and Anthy have had several times, mostly near the beginning of the series. (Episode 2, most prominently, of course.) Admittedly, that does make you wonder why Utena even bothers to bring it up anymore, but eh, she's stubborn. She makes a similar comment in episode 23 also, I think.

Of course Utena hadn't discovered who End of the World was - if she had, he wouldn't be "some mysterious guy," would he?

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#3 | Back to Top10-18-2010 01:14:36 PM

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Re: WTH? Epsiode 22

emot-confused Please forgive if I am mistaken. But I don't remember there ever being a moment before that episode where Utena blames a third person for Anthy being the rose bride. emot-frown emot-confused

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#4 | Back to Top10-18-2010 05:34:34 PM

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Re: WTH? Epsiode 22

Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, it looks like at some point, Utena picked up the existence of Ends of the World. No, I don't think we ever see anyone sit her down and explain it to her, but she has heard people talking about it - Saionji shouts about it in the area in episode 9, and more importantly, Touga mentions End of the World quite directly when he invests Nanami with a seal in episode 10.

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#5 | Back to Top10-18-2010 06:00:13 PM

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Re: WTH? Epsiode 22

That is interesting, actually!  Dallbun is probably right that Utena latched onto the "Ends of the World" thing from other people's conversations -- it's even possible that Anthy told her directly off-camera -- but it's still a little surprising!  I was always kind of under the impression that Utena wasn't really listening when people talked about duel infrastructure.  emot-biggrin

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#6 | Back to Top10-18-2010 06:16:47 PM

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Re: WTH? Epsiode 22

satyreyes wrote:

I was always kind of under the impression that Utena wasn't really listening when people talked about duel infrastructure.  emot-biggrin

It is just like her to call him "some dude" instead of "End of the World," though. Who can be bothered to remember some weird pretentious name like that? emot-wink

(Though actually, it looks like she's not necessarily talking about a singular male person. In Japanese she says "yatsura," or 正体不明のやつら to be precise, which is a plural. That makes sense, in that everyone seems to kind of assume that End of the World is an organization of some kind.)

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#7 | Back to Top10-19-2010 01:18:24 AM

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Re: WTH? Epsiode 22

And I imagine she might even be using "yatsura" to mean, specifically, those guys on the Student Council.  That makes more sense.  Good translations ftw!

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#8 | Back to Top10-19-2010 02:58:09 PM

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Re: WTH? Epsiode 22

Wow, that is a big plot hole! I don't know how I missed it. I thought Utena just assumed Anthy was only a prisoner of the Student Council.


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#9 | Back to Top10-19-2010 03:07:17 PM

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Re: WTH? Epsiode 22

Dallbun you're totally right; Touga talks about end of the world in Ep. 10 and Utena is well within hearing range.

I guess the conversation Utena and Anthy have in Ep. 22 calls my atention because of the way Utena is yelling at Anthy.


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