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#26 | Back to Top07-25-2007 03:41:06 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

Asuka may be the Shiori of NGE (in terms of demeanor, that is.  She's kinda similar to Nanami too in that department), except for the bazillion fanboys Asuka has and Shiori probably doesn't have. school-devil  Though Asuka has probably almost as many haters as raving fanboys.

I'll say that I am something of a fan of Asuka's and have a few (like 3) figures on my shelf to prove it. emot-wink

It sounds cliché with it being brought up so much recently about Shiori, but Asuka has her reasons for acting the way she does, too.  She was neglected as a child and saw her mother hang herself, and part of why she's in everyone's face is that she doesn't know any other way to get them to pay attention to her.

But yeah, Emiemi has a point that each character in NGE has their own history in much the same way that everyone in SKU does.  Not saying that the series themselves are similar (though they are in some ways, to a point), but Asuka, Shinji, Misato, and Gendou can be analyzed at as many levels as Shiori, Nanami, Juri, and Akio.

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#27 | Back to Top07-26-2007 12:18:38 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

That's part of the reason that I like Evangelion as much as I like Utena. There is just so much depth in EVERYTHING. How the characters act with one another, the plot, the atmosphere, the music, everything is put together in a very specific way.

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#28 | Back to Top07-28-2007 01:27:59 AM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

Imaginary Bad Bug wrote:

I'll say that I am something of a fan of Asuka's and have a few (like 3) figures on my shelf to prove it. emot-wink

I have an entire pictures folder of Asuka on my computer emot-aaa

But in all seriousness, the thing that gets me about Asuka is that if I actually knew her I'd want to smack her clear across the face, but as a fictional character she kicks so much ass.  And to be fair, I'd slap the face of pretty much all of Evangelion's cast already.


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#29 | Back to Top07-28-2007 12:42:24 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

And to be fair, I'd slap the face of pretty much all of Evangelion's cast already.

I'd sign them up for therapy. And under no circumstances would I let them anywhere near high-security military complexes. Honestly, each and every one of them has so many issues that a psychiatrist could write an entire series of books of the NERV personell.


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#30 | Back to Top10-11-2015 02:19:18 AM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

So i just watched this today.

I am seriously confused. Boyfriend says EVA is all about symbolism and i should like it since i like Utena and all that, but i dunno -- first movie... i just didn't get it.

I saw some of the show as a kid, but never watched it in full. I asked him if i should watch the show or watch the movie and he said the movies were better. Pulled it up and didn't really see any character development and felt like i was forced to just accept everyone for who they were. I know the movie is intended to be how *it should be* but, i feel like without watching the show you just lose a lot...?

I'm going to sleep on it and revisit how I feel in the morning but so far I am totally lost and just feel like i'm missing something. What's the big deal? Is it just nostalgia? Or is it one of those things where you have to get through mroe of it before you think you want to plow on through and love it?

Hope my post doesnt offend anyone, i'm just genuinely curious what is the draw. I love symbolism and digging in and understanding it, but a lot of that just felt super super super abstract.

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#31 | Back to Top10-11-2015 03:01:12 AM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

I like the show better than any of the movies. I think it was very good with quieter character moments, with PTSD and shame. The mysteries were suitably mysterious and sometimes inexplicable. The show, especially, invited a lot of audience presumption. So much would be directly not answered, but there were hints and the atmosphere was so thick, that it let people's minds wander all over. And, the fights were hella cool.


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#32 | Back to Top10-11-2015 07:32:34 AM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

Here's HALP.

Do not watch the movies until you have seen the TV series.

I cannot stress this enough.

Watching the Rebuild films and trying to understand the Evangelion world is like trying to watch the Utena film without seeing the tv series first.


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#33 | Back to Top10-11-2015 03:30:00 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

Ashnod wrote:

Here's HALP.

Do not watch the movies until you have seen the TV series.

I cannot stress this enough.

Watching the Rebuild films and trying to understand the Evangelion world is like trying to watch the Utena film without seeing the tv series first.

This, so many times over, this. I had a lot of issues with Rebuild (those chins...!) but it does gain in significance if you have seen the series (plus EoE). I was just glad to see more Kaworu, to be honest. That and the music score.

My relative dislike from Rebuild was something of a retrospective thing. While watching them I remember greatly enjoying them (even the chins...) but they lacked the feeling of enduring impact (no pun intended) that the series and in EoE had on me.

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#34 | Back to Top10-11-2015 05:03:22 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

I don't really have any love for EoE, either. I think the tv ending, regardless of it not being the long term plan, is the best ending. It's probably, really, some of the best serial tv ever. Any followup you do is going to look pedestrian beside it. And, the followups do look pedestrian beside it.


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#35 | Back to Top10-11-2015 05:22:53 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

Decrescent Daytripper wrote:

I don't really have any love for EoE, either. I think the tv ending, regardless of it not being the long term plan, is the best ending.

Care to explain this? I thought EoE (along with Death, though I'm definitely in the minority so far as that goes) was among the best anime films I've seen, although it's obviously weakened by its reliance on the TV series for its setup.

I suppose that it did really go in a different direction than the one the show took, which was more psychological and intimate. Instead EoE goes for the grandiose and cosmic, which I dig, but I understand how you could see that as a betrayal.

EDITed because even I don't believe that.

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#36 | Back to Top10-11-2015 05:47:29 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

I don't think it's a betrayal, I just think it's more boring by comparison

I'm glad it has fans, and it totally does, I just find it a letdown after the tv show and ending. There's some good action sequences, and Asuka's Eva (and therefore, neurologically, her) being chewed up by horrible monsters is distressing in the best ways. But, overall, it just seems a lot of pretty visuals and not as much heart or novelty. It's not even as good as the (second) Ideon movie, which it and Eva in general owe a lot to. Guns, guns, masturbation over messed up woman, heroic death of woman, guns, guns, messed up woman, Shinji does something, messed up woman, guns, guns, weirdness sets in, messed up women, Maya sees Ristuko that's cute, trippy visuals, Shinji something, messed up women, beachside post-trauma, chokelove, credits.

It never comes together as anything that moves me, or moves me along. Even as a visual feast, it's not enough for me. Or, at least, it's not to my tastes.


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#37 | Back to Top10-11-2015 06:07:24 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

Rebuild of Evangelion 1.11 is basically just a recap of the first 6 episodes of NGE-TV, so you don't really need to watch both. It doesn't give a lot of closure, and the best character isn't even in it. It's just a jumping off point for...

Rebuild of Evangelion 2.22
, which diverges A LOT from NGE-TV. It's a wonderful movie with great character development, some amazing action scenes, and an unbelievable climax that borrows heavily from SKU. This is the best Rebuild IMO.

Rebuild of Evangelion 3.33 just kicks you in the nuts hard. I was depressed for a week after watching it. I can't really say why without major spoilers.

I really enjoy End Of Evangelion and I've watched it multiple times. It's an amazing achievement in anime filmmaking. It's a very distinct tonal shift from NGE-TV, so I understand why some people don't consider it cannon. Asuka and Misato both get exhilarating action scenes in which they kick huge amounts of ass [and then die horribly].


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#38 | Back to Top10-11-2015 08:06:35 PM

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I can understand why people would find EoE to be a letdown or too great a different an approach but I found it able to move me in ways that to this day still make me take pause. I appreciate its brutal committment to remaining ever so grim through and through and while it is more narrative than the Lain-esque series' ending, it has enough mind screw of the truly disturbing kind.

I need to rewatch it one of these days.[EoE gave Asuka a perfect stage, for once an Eva character manages to break through their issues and make an epic stand (then again, Shinji did have some self-reaffirming moments in the series proper, they were just not on such a grand scale) and fights those mass produced Eva units with all she has...only to be horribly, horrible defeated. That was probably the one moment in the whole movie that stands out to me, I already loved Asuka but her battle made me truly appreciate her.]

As for Rebuild...I am still trying to wrap my head against those horrible chins. Petty, I know, but there you have it.

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#39 | Back to Top10-12-2015 08:55:40 AM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

Echoing Asuka love here. She was the one character that I thoroughly enjoyed, and EoE gave her a good send-off.

As for the Rebuilds... I wasn't impressed enough to watch them all the way through, even to find SKU references. The series is better.


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#40 | Back to Top10-12-2015 11:28:06 AM

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This is inspiring me to give Rebuild another chance, and EoE maybe. I liked the pre-End movie, it was a cute reference to Ideon's two movies (at the same time, I thin, that the Nadesico short was parodying it) and it had good flow. I may not have been entirely fair with Rebuild and I don't think I even saw the third one. Is it finishing?


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#41 | Back to Top10-12-2015 12:19:55 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

The fourth and final movie is in production, but there's no release date yet.

I was on the EoE wikipedia page, and the first line of the plot synposis is:
"Shinji Ikari, the teenage pilot of a giant Evangelion cyborg, is distraught over the death of his friend Kaworu Nagisa. He visits fellow pilot Asuka Langley Soryu in a hospital and masturbates to her comatose body."

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Seeing it described in such a matter-of-fact tone makes it worse somehow. It's an unpleasant scene, and serves as a warning we're not in TV-land any more, and anything goes. I know a few people who either stopped the movie, or just mentally disengaged themselves at that point. Shinji could certainly give Saionji a lesson in shame-fapping.


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#42 | Back to Top10-12-2015 12:41:40 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

purplepolecat wrote:

The fourth and final movie is in production, but there's no release date yet.

I was on the EoE wikipedia page, and the first line of the plot synposis is:
"Shinji Ikari, the teenage pilot of a giant Evangelion cyborg, is distraught over the death of his friend Kaworu Nagisa. He visits fellow pilot Asuka Langley Soryu in a hospital and masturbates to her comatose body."

emot-frown

Seeing it described in such a matter-of-fact tone makes it worse somehow. It's an unpleasant scene, and serves as a warning we're not in TV-land any more, and anything goes. I know a few people who either stopped the movie, or just mentally disengaged themselves at that point. Shinji could certainly give Saionji a lesson in shame-fapping.

I think that's one of the maybe five moments in the movie I think are actually pretty good. Because, seriously, especially at that time, how much Asuka porn was out there? "Fuck you, and you, and you. And, especially, fuck you. Yes, you." That moment should have hurt some feelings in the audience.


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#43 | Back to Top10-12-2015 01:50:34 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

Decrescent Daytripper wrote:

I think that's one of the maybe five moments in the movie I think are actually pretty good. Because, seriously, especially at that time, how much Asuka porn was out there? "Fuck you, and you, and you. And, especially, fuck you. Yes, you." That moment should have hurt some feelings in the audience.

Imagine being me, 10 years old, watching EoE on a television in my basement and having no idea what's going on except that it's making me sad. Then the movie ends and after moping most of the afternoon I check Wikipedia to see if I can make any sense of what happened.

Anyway, that's how I found out what masturbation was. emot-gonk I am not proud of this.

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#44 | Back to Top10-12-2015 06:03:54 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

wow! i have to be honest! i wasn't expecting this response. Also learned some things about this show o____o and the origin of a meme. So thanks!

I'm likely going to start watching the show before finishing the movies. I dunno, not going to force it!

I'm about halfway through Mawaru Penguindrum and adding this onto it seems a bit daunting. (jury is still out on MP )

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#45 | Back to Top10-12-2015 06:49:16 PM

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Re: Rebuild of Evangelion

God only know when the fourth movie will ever be completed. I suspect it will be thoroughly disappointing but I will watch it because it is Evangelion after all...despite everything. I still cling to the distant hope of the character artwork being changed to look less godawful...on occasion it is cripplingly awful.
I sincerely hope they will do something with Mari, so far all she has done is remind me of a slightly more psychotic version of Orihara Mairu (even down the name) and while that is not necessarily a bad thing, it is so when done at the expense of everything else. I would rather have no new pilot at all and more focus on some of the character who never got to shine in the series.

I completely agree that the wiki description of EoE somehow makes it all even more depressing. And I too find the masturbation moment to be intensely disturbing on a meta-level, too, as if telling the viewer who drools at naked comatese girls just how low he can get.

And now that the manga is finished I can finally tackle it. I only read the first volume thus far and need my fix of more Kaworu...even if by all accounts the manga is rather uneven.

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