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#201 | Back to Top10-21-2007 05:18:07 PM

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Re: HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION THREAD HERE!!!

Dude, Trelawny and McGonagal would be a crazy S&M relatioinship. Holy cow!

But don't you guys remember that time when Hagrid kissed her on the cheek and she blushed and giggled? emot-dance It was so cute! etc-love


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#202 | Back to Top10-21-2007 07:06:31 PM

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Re: HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION THREAD HERE!!!

Ashnod wrote:

Yasha wrote:

Well, it wasn't really important to the plot of the books. I think she's better off having left it out, because it wouldn't have made the story better at all. It just would have created controversy for no reason.

Yeah, I know. It's true that's not essential.

But mentioning it now that it is over doesn't help, since unless you are told of her interview, a reader of the books will never know. emot-frown

Oh come ON.

The day after I finished reading I went over to my friend's house and we discussed how there needed to be Dumbledore/Grindewald stuff written as a priority, because OH MY GOD THE GAY, and possibly some dumblecest if this could be arranged as to the backstory of that whole thing?

The gay was there. But maybe that's just because I'm overexposed to slash influences school-freud


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#203 | Back to Top10-21-2007 08:13:16 PM

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Re: HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION THREAD HERE!!!

alirias wrote:

Ashnod wrote:

Yasha wrote:

Well, it wasn't really important to the plot of the books. I think she's better off having left it out, because it wouldn't have made the story better at all. It just would have created controversy for no reason.

Yeah, I know. It's true that's not essential.

But mentioning it now that it is over doesn't help, since unless you are told of her interview, a reader of the books will never know. emot-frown

Oh come ON.

The day after I finished reading I went over to my friend's house and we discussed how there needed to be Dumbledore/Grindewald stuff written as a priority, because OH MY GOD THE GAY, and possibly some dumblecest if this could be arranged as to the backstory of that whole thing?

The gay was there. But maybe that's just because I'm overexposed to slash influences school-freud

I didn't see it all when reading it. emot-gonk


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#204 | Back to Top10-21-2007 08:30:10 PM

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If this were three years ago, I would have seen it, but after Tonks and Remus hooked up, I lost all hope in finding gays at Hogwarts. emot-frown


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#205 | Back to Top10-21-2007 11:19:17 PM

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Re: HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION THREAD HERE!!!

Tonks/Remus bothered me because it felt forced. Admittedly most of any development between them would have happened "offscreen," so to speak, but I just didn't see any basis for it and it felt like she was just pairing them off for the sake of pairing them off.


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#206 | Back to Top10-22-2007 12:43:24 AM

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Re: HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION THREAD HERE!!!

alirias wrote:

possibly some dumblecest

I just wanted to let you know that "dumblecest" is quite possibly the best word ever coined.  Now if only it were more broadly useful...

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#207 | Back to Top10-22-2007 01:04:44 AM

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It is not mine. I wish it was, but it wasn't. I'm not sure if it's hers or her corner of fandom's.

Remus and Sirius. That's all I gotta say. Tonks and Remus didn't really bother me, because I just didn't CARE, it didn't matter.


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#208 | Back to Top10-22-2007 01:42:45 AM

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Re: HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION THREAD HERE!!!

It kind of makes sense that Rowling didn't out Dumbledore in the books because they were written entirely from Harry's point of view, and he only saw Dumbledore's memories as they pertained to his mission. If the narrator was omniscient, the needs would be different. I DID pick up so much ghey between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, though. Oh the ghey.

And I bet Rowling wouldn't have been allowed to out her character anyway. As she was a new author, she signed onto Scholastic for a seven-book duration; she had no clout and was just stoked to be published. They could call the shots. She had to write Order of the Phoenix several times because Scholastic was afraid of the controversy; imagine the uproar if Dumbledore was suddenly outed on top of all of that.

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#209 | Back to Top10-22-2007 10:24:21 PM

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Re: HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION THREAD HERE!!!

Trench Kamen wrote:

. . . She had to write Order of the Phoenix several times because Scholastic was afraid of the controversy . . .

I thought she re-vised Order of the Pheonix to shorten it . . . ?


AND HOLY FAN-FAG-TASTIC!!! I always thought deep down inside Dumbledore played for my team.


*tears of joy*


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#210 | Back to Top10-23-2007 09:22:47 PM

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Re: HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION THREAD HERE!!!

Sevelle wrote:

Trench Kamen wrote:

. . . She had to write Order of the Phoenix several times because Scholastic was afraid of the controversy . . .

I thought she re-vised Order of the Pheonix to shorten it . . . ?


AND HOLY FAN-FAG-TASTIC!!! I always thought deep down inside Dumbledore played for my team.


*tears of joy*

I heard Scholastic thought it was too violent and dark on top of all of that.

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#211 | Back to Top10-25-2007 01:59:35 AM

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Re: HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION THREAD HERE!!!

What irritates me more than anything Potter-y since Rowling started referring to Hermione as 'Ron's Wife' is that the exchange, regarding the gay revelation! is that, (a) it's treated as a revelation! and (b) it's supposedly an answer to a very basic question: Did he find true love?  That's a yes or no question.  '[He]'s gay' is neither a 'yes' or 'no.'  It is, however, insulting and placatory.

And it leaves us with a world, primarily designed for young readers, where the only gay character (that we know of - give her three more years and maybe she'll out Snape as bi, during those last years at the school) is closeted, repressed, and otherwise shut out of all sexuality because of emotional trauma.  And while that could be seven shades of interesting to explore and have a lot of direct application to the lives and situations of people, young and old, reading these books, it's brushed over as fodder for slash fics and revealed after the fact, when all the books are said and done.


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#212 | Back to Top10-25-2007 02:14:02 AM

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Re: HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION THREAD HERE!!!

That's all true, definitely. But given the poltical and emotional climate in the states, which must be one of the main markets for the books, I'm not surprised it was done this way.

I'm not saying it was right, mind. I'm just saying I'm not surprised.


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#213 | Back to Top10-25-2007 02:04:35 PM

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Re: HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION THREAD HERE!!!

I think the reason Dumbledore was "closeted" was that his greatest love (or at least, I'm assuming it was) was the wizard equivalent of Hitler. And when she confirmed his homosexuality in response to that question, I found her answer to be more along the lines of "yes, he did find true love in Grindelwald" verses "pffft. Fruits don't make babies." (<-Not what you were saying at all, but I'm a polarizer.)

But I doubt he really was hiding anything. Imma quote Trench Kamen for the truth on this one:

Trench Kamen wrote:

It kind of makes sense that Rowling didn't out Dumbledore in the books because they were written entirely from Harry's point of view, and he only saw Dumbledore's memories as they pertained to his mission. If the narrator was omniscient, the needs would be different. I DID pick up so much ghey between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, though. Oh the ghey.

The man was quite (stereotypically) flamboyant anyway. If Harry had bothered to think about it, I'm sure he'd have figured it out eventually. Well, with Ron's wife's help at least.

...Yeah, that part does piss me off a little. I'm no feminist, but honestly. Hermione would never let someone refer to her as that.


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#214 | Back to Top09-18-2011 12:51:38 PM

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Yep.

Pretty much. One wonders why this kind of thing isn't more common, or why it wasn't done during the first war. I mean, why even craft the bloody thing if it's not going to be used.


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#215 | Back to Top09-18-2011 05:58:55 PM

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Re: HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION THREAD HERE!!!

Well, as for why Hermione never kept hers (response specifically to the video) was that it wasn't hers to keep.  It belonged to the Ministry and I can't think of there being a way she could have held onto it -they probably kept good record of where they are.  The rest were destroyed during the raid on the Ministry in OoTP, which was JKR's way of taking them out of the story.  Still, such an insanely powerful device... what's missing is explanation.  How are they made, who made them, is this relevant to why none of the characters attempted to find or create more?  Just how far back can they go?  They may only go back 24 hours at the most.  Who all are allowed to use the time-turners, and what are the agreed upon rules?  Why were none saved back in case of emergency, and were any on loan during the battle at the Ministry?   That's what makes their introduction and removal from the story feel so off, the lack of any further explanation or discussion of these powerful objects in the story.  I mean surely one or two characters would take a deeper interest in them.

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