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#1 | Back to Top05-18-2007 09:29:22 PM

Sevelle
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Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

I was bored, so I was flipping though Utena site's and came across the old Enoki site for Ursula's Kiss. The names alone make me want to watch it:

Angie (Ansi Himemiya)
Tommy (Touga Kiryu)
Julie (Juri Arisugawa)
Mickey (Miki Kaoru)
Nana (Nanami Kiryu)
Kevin Simon (Kyoichi Saionji)
Wanda (Wakaba Shinohara)
Chris (Korue Kaoru)
Dios (Dios)
Tory (Goki Otori): Who the hell is this? Akio?
Chuchu (Chuchu)

Oh but wiat there is more!

Kate (Kanae Otori)
Mike (Akio Otori)
Sally (Shiori Takatsuki)
Mitch (Mitsuru Tsuwabuki)
Kate (Keiko Sonoda)
Sonny (Soji Mikage)
Miles (Mamiya Chida)

I want to know who these people are . . .

Silver Mask: A member of the "The Seekers of Armageddon." No one knows his/her true identity.
Pazolini: The leader of the troop sent by "The Seekers of Armageddon."
Lady June: The evil princess commanding the troop. Cool and merciless.


The Seeker's Armageddon . . . wow- So there is more than one Akio, apparently. I need to see this dubbing of the show!

But does it even exist anymore?


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#2 | Back to Top05-18-2007 10:09:50 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

I have an old email from someone who emailed Enoki looking for answers. I never could figure out where to put it on the site. If you want, I'll post it up here when I get home.


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#3 | Back to Top05-18-2007 10:18:35 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Oh please do.


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#4 | Back to Top05-19-2007 02:07:55 AM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

I'd love to read that. I mean... did Ursula's Kiss ever actually exist? I wondered about that briefly, before moving on to more entertaining things.

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#5 | Back to Top05-19-2007 06:59:32 AM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Sevelle wrote:

Kate (Kanae Otori)
Kate (Keiko Sonoda)

Ah, shit, I'm Kanae and Keiko? I do love both characters, but that's so pathetic. I'm engaged to a man who would rather have his sister, but meanwhile I'm in love with a younger red-haired man. The only way I can get close to him is through his sister, but she will never let me near him. I stay by her side, though, because she likes to hurt my finance's sister.


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#6 | Back to Top05-19-2007 08:21:51 AM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Yasha wrote:

I have an old email from someone who emailed Enoki looking for answers. I never could figure out where to put it on the site. If you want, I'll post it up here when I get home.

Yeah, that was me, but I think I pushed too hard... they didn't get me in touch with whoever wrote the Ursula's Kiss page, so I wasn't able to find out what the heck the plan was for Silver Mask and company (I still just can't picture what they were expecting to do, footage-wise). Unfortunate. Strangely, past the first story arc, the episode summaries on that page switch back to Japanese names and were clearly written by someone who genuinely watched the show. I find it difficult to believe that the same person would try to force in Silver Mask, Pazollini, and Lady June (...the Shadow Girls?) I suppose it will remain a mystery, though if someone else wants to get in touch with Enoki, go for it. (Politely.)


Sevelle wrote:

The Seeker's Armageddon . . . wow- So there is more than one Akio, apparently. I need to see this dubbing of the show!

But does it even exist anymore?

Foolish lifeform.

There never was such a thing as Ursula's Kiss anywhere in the world in the first place.

(/Akio)

Seriously though, that dub doesn't exist. I was confused too, but apparently Enoki is the company that sells distribution rights of serieses like Utena to companies in other countries (for TV specifically, I think... but *maybe* also DVD?), and the series sites on their web page are kind of solicitations for companies to look at to convince them to buy the rights... sort of a teaser, I guess?

Obviously, Enoki is assuming that English-speaking countries will want to at the very least dub characters' names, and at most mangle the shows ruthlessly for local release. I guess they're just helpfully giving them a convenient head start.

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#7 | Back to Top05-19-2007 10:40:12 AM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Someone should make an Ursula's Kiss fandub. school-devil


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#8 | Back to Top05-19-2007 11:44:11 AM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Dallbun wrote:

Sevelle wrote:

The Seeker's Armageddon . . . wow- So there is more than one Akio, apparently. I need to see this dubbing of the show!

But does it even exist anymore?

Foolish lifeform.

There never was such a thing as Ursula's Kiss anywhere in the world in the first place.

I did not know this, and I am kind of sad it doesn't. The names killed me.

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#9 | Back to Top05-19-2007 08:45:00 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Sevelle wrote:

Julie (Juri Arisugawa)

You know, I did make a stupid American support character for a SKU RPG based off of that pun. Considering the r/l pronounciation it is pretty close...
I say stupid for the way the two were introduced. Yeah it was strictly for comic relief. emot-rolleyes


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#10 | Back to Top05-19-2007 08:56:01 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Actually it exists... is the spanish dub of Utena that was aired on mexico... emot-gonk (dubbed in los angeles it seems)

All those names... were used int the dub... well not all no silver mask or Tori Ohtori but Kevin and Tommy were used among many others emot-gonk


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#11 | Back to Top05-20-2007 01:23:20 AM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Romanticide wrote:

Actually it exists... is the spanish dub of Utena that was aired on mexico... emot-gonk (dubbed in los angeles it seems)

All those names... were used int the dub... well not all no silver mask or Tori Ohtori but Kevin and Tommy were used among many others emot-gonk

But it's just not Ursula's Kiss without Pazollini! And without the title! Anyway, it makes sense that some if not all of Enoki's names would go through in some dubs. Was Utena named "Ursula"?

And according to Wikipedia, apparently the CPM dub is being shown in Australia under the title "Ursula's Kiss"? That seems bizarre, because if that was the case there would be no character named Ursula.

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#12 | Back to Top05-20-2007 01:47:17 AM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Here is the long-awaited email. Many thanks to Dallbun, and also, if anyone cares to follow up on this, it might be interesting to hear what Enoki has to say.

Dallbun's Email to Me wrote:

Unfortunately, I never got a response from that second e-mail. In retrospect, it was definitely too specific; I should have just asked if I could be put in contact with the person who wrote that page, and left it at that. It might be worthwhile for one of us to give that another shot, because I'm still really curious about Silver Mask, Pazolini, and Lady June.
I mean, judging by the episode summaries (the later ones in particular!) the Ursula's Kiss site was written by someone who watched the show pretty carefully. It's bizarre...

Dallbun's Email to Enoki wrote:

Hello, I wandered into your website (that of Enoki Films USA) and wanted to ask you some questions, because there are some things about your company that confuse me.

Your company profile says that you are basically in the business of distributing animated television series. The implication is that the series listed on your website... under such headings as "Action Adventure," "Animation Features," and "Drama Classics"... are series that you are distributing in the U.S. or in the process of arranging to distribute.

However, several of the series that you list have already been released in the U.S. by entirely different companies. Take, for instance, "Ursula's Kiss" (or Shoujo Kakumei Utena), which has been released on DVD by Central Park Media, and "Tales at North Hills High," (or Kareshi Kanojo no Jijou), which has been released under the considerably more accurate name of "His and Her Circumstances" by The Right Stuf International.

What exactly is your role? Are you preparing these series for release on U.S. television? That would explain the odd "dubbed" descriptions and such.

Thanks for your time... I hope to hear back from you soon.

Enoki's Reply wrote:

We are the original rights holder from Japan and we license the titles on our website to tv stations and video distributors worldwide.  Some of the titles have been altered just for marketing purposes, not all international buyers have the understand of the Japanese titles as you do.
Thanks for asking.
Enoki Films USA

Dallbun's Second Email wrote:

Hi, I sent you another e-mail to your company a few days ago (attached below). Your answer does clear up the purpose of Enoki Films USA... but I'm still confused about the details of some of the series that you market. Please, bear with me, because I'm genuinely curious about some of the choices made here.

Take Utena, again, for instance... the characters are renamed (and, in some cases such as Juri/Julie, somewhat reimagined), despite the fact that no English dub exists that uses those names (and, where applicable, concepts). Is the idea that, if a tv station or video distributor was interested in releasing the series in that form, a dub could be made after this fashion?

Even more interestingly, at the end of the character list for "Ursula's Kiss," three characters appear for which no counterparts exist in "Utena"... namely, Silver Mask, Pazolini, and Lady June. Is the intent that footage could be inserted with these characters, a la Robotech? Or are they the reimagined identities of the (otherwise absent from the character list) Shadow Play Girls, A-ko, B-ko, and C-ko (that would be a stretch that the mind boggles to comprehend!)

I apologize for the specific fan-type questions; I don't imagine that you're the one who wrote the "Urusla's Kiss" site, but would it be possible to put me in contact with the person who did? Because this is really interesting.

Thanks so much for your time! I appreciate the fact that you're answering my questions.

And they never did answer.


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#13 | Back to Top05-20-2007 01:50:54 AM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Ursula's kiss exists here: http://ufr.ohtori.nu/other/files/ursulas.txt

That is all.


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#14 | Back to Top05-20-2007 02:06:27 AM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

..I am so confused, but the link Shattered (almost typed Shadow again) posted clears up some things for me.. but Ursula's Kiss is just a parody, right?

..right?

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#15 | Back to Top05-20-2007 02:33:16 AM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

SleepDebtFairy wrote:

..I am so confused, but the link Shattered (almost typed Shadow again) posted clears up some things for me.. but Ursula's Kiss is just a parody, right?

..right?

That link Shattered posted is a fanfic (?) thing. It wasn't released by Enoki, it was just made by someone who saw the Enoki page.


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#16 | Back to Top05-20-2007 12:14:17 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

You know I am really sad now, because for so long I thought that there was an actual Ursula's Kiss. Oh well, I guess you can't win em all.


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#17 | Back to Top05-23-2007 12:49:37 AM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Yes, it's a fanfic. A very nice one, I think. I wish I could say that I had been the one who wrote it.


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#18 | Back to Top01-04-2011 05:53:44 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Necro-ing for lulz.


Dallbun wrote:

Sevelle wrote:

But does it even exist anymore?

Foolish lifeform.

There never was such a thing as Ursula's Kiss anywhere in the world in the first place.

In that case, this was the most epic case of trolling I have ever seen. I keep coming across this and was wondering if there was a thread on it somewhere here. Guess I found it. This explains things.


Dallbun wrote:

Obviously, Enoki is assuming that English-speaking countries will want to at the very least dub characters' names, and at most mangle the shows ruthlessly for local release. I guess they're just helpfully giving them a convenient head start.

Eh, sort of happened anyway with the Utena dub. No name changing, but the AD directing was awful. Casting choice was awesome, but I feel it was badly executed. Particularly name pronunciation. (Which I happen to know many of the actors for Utena are, at least now, not so inept as to pronounce Ten-JOU as Ten-JU or Sye-on-ji as Say-on-ji.)

ShatteredMirror wrote:

Ursula's kiss exists here: Link

That is all.

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#19 | Back to Top01-04-2011 06:38:04 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Azure wrote:

...Ashitiqua?
BRB LOLING FOREVER. emot-rofl

Oh man thanks for reviving this thread or I would never have been able to partake in this eternal lol with you guys.

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#20 | Back to Top01-04-2011 08:06:08 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

chrisb wrote:

Azure wrote:

...Ashitiqua?
BRB LOLING FOREVER. emot-rofl

Oh man thanks for reviving this thread or I would never have been able to partake in this eternal lol with you guys.

I KNOW, RITE? emot-rofl

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#21 | Back to Top12-12-2013 01:20:16 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

So... I have to necro this thread. I was bored last night and decided to start reading some of the stranger sections of Empty Movement. I eventually got to the section about Ursula's Kiss. I was intrigued enough that I went onto Google to see if there was any more information.

It looks like there is some renewed interest in this which began just this year. For example, here is the official and totally not fake Ursula's Kiss Tumblr which continued to update until the end of October when the author finally ran out of steam. It's rad.

And then there's this glorious travesty that somebody had put up on YouTube. I especially love the bit about "holding hands".

Finally, knowing that the original page for Ursula's Kiss has disappeared from the face of the Internet, it looks like Enoki managed to transfer everything to their original Japanese site (but still in English of course).

Again, I just had to bump this up. Ursula's Kiss needs to be recognized.

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#22 | Back to Top12-13-2013 01:54:16 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Sweet zombie Jesus, that fake Opening had me in tears--ESPECIALLY the 'holding hands' bit.

There's a couple of Utena abridged(some of which are dead)--and I really wish one of them would take it on as if they were a dubbing company who had the task of cleaning up all the insanity ala 4Kids. Can you just IMAGINE how they would UTTERLY DESTROY so many of the complex themes of the series? As it is, that Tumblr is my favorite thing ever.


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#23 | Back to Top12-08-2014 08:54:35 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

Once upon a time I wrote half a parody script based on Ursula's Kiss. Those were dark days


It would be a fun thing to do for the movie! Given the rate of SKU:PID episodes, it'd happen in 20 years.


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#24 | Back to Top12-09-2014 05:25:16 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

codeblackhayate wrote:

Once upon a time I wrote half a parody script based on Ursula's Kiss. Those were dark days


It would be a fun thing to do for the movie! Given the rate of SKU:PID episodes, it'd happen in 20 years.

Was that parody piece over at the SKU fanfic repository your work?  Wow, that was a GREAT humor piece!


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#25 | Back to Top12-09-2014 08:45:15 PM

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Re: Does Ursula's Kiss even exist anymore?

gorgeousshutin wrote:

Was that parody piece over at the SKU fanfic repository your work?  Wow, that was a GREAT humor piece!

Oh, no. I do parody videos. I have a kind of abridged Utena series that releases episodes...every few years.


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