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#1476 | Back to Top02-22-2015 04:17:44 PM

Atropos
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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

mistspinner wrote:

Oh gosh, I've only read Never Let Me Go, but Ishiguro is going to read at my school and I am soooo excited to hear him

Lucky! He hasn't come out with anything new in a while, has he?

Never Let Me Go was just such a pretty, sad book. Ishiguro reminds me a little bit of Murakami at his less-fantastic (Norwegian Wood) in his wistful sadness/nostalgia, and I wish I had time to read more of his stuff.

Very mono no aware.

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#1477 | Back to Top02-22-2015 05:44:05 PM

mistspinner
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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

He has, actually! The Buried Giant is coming out in 2015, which is probably why poor Ishiguro is travelling to frozen Chicago to give a reading P: But all the better for me, I guess?

Ugh, I would promise you an autograph except I have at least 2 people I want to get books signed for...plus, that's even if he'll do signings...
(so maybe?)

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#1478 | Back to Top03-03-2015 07:55:44 PM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

You know what I just remembered existed?

The Darkover series by Marian Zimmer Bradley.  Anyone else ever read any so we can reminisce about all the good 'ole WTF times?


"Et in Arcadio ego..."

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#1479 | Back to Top03-04-2015 04:10:40 AM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Kita-Ysabell wrote:

You know what I just remembered existed?

The Darkover series by Marian Zimmer Bradley.  Anyone else ever read any so we can reminisce about all the good 'ole WTF times?

No, but I'm open to learning more. I'm always on the lookout for unusual fantasy series.


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#1480 | Back to Top03-04-2015 02:08:04 PM

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Darkover is a planet colonized by a group of astronauts who are then isolated from Terran (earth?) civilization, and develop on their own society until more or less stagnating as a medieval state.

Everyone has psychic powers.

There are hermaphroditic alien elves and cat people.

There are lots of medieval politics, in between people doing magic and having relationships, often romantic.

All the family trees are so screwed up, not even the author could keep track of them.  This is due in part to a breeding program designed to enhance the aforementioned psychic powers, though… in the end, everyone's really inbred and often infertile.

Everyone forgets that they're from earth and for a few books it's straight fantasy before the Terrans come back and make contact.

It's really similar in tone (and at least sometimes content) to like, old romance novels.  Plots tend to be convoluted, characters tend to be quite broadly drawn, everything is melodramatic all the time.

Also, the series has a complicated relationship with homosexuality.  Supposedly it isn't taboo, but man do characters angst a lot about it and react really strongly to something they supposedly don't care about.  Also everyone's still supposed to make with the babies.  Some sorts of marriage-like commitment are available to same-sex couples, but they aren't the same thing as marriage, and until the founding of the Cult of Women's Rights, are only available to men.  As a form of friendship pledge with really heavy romantic and sexual connotations, but a friendship pledge nonetheless.  That said, it is regarded by the society as somewhat more important than actual marriage.  Later in the series, the aforementioned Cult of Women's Rights invents a form of marriage is far less binding, but is available to one of their members and whoever she chooses, no restrictions.

Gay characters get treated kind of like albinos: they tend to be evil, or shitty people, except for the ones that aren't, who tend to be heroes.  Not much in-between.  But hey, you know, they exist.  That's something.

And everyone seems to be genuinely cool about polyamory.


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#1481 | Back to Top03-05-2015 12:08:36 PM

Yams
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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Kita-Ysabell wrote:

Darkover is a planet colonized by a group of astronauts who are then isolated from Terran (earth?) civilization, and develop on their own society until more or less stagnating as a medieval state.

Everyone has psychic powers.

There are hermaphroditic alien elves and cat people.

There are lots of medieval politics, in between people doing magic and having relationships, often romantic.

All the family trees are so screwed up, not even the author could keep track of them.  This is due in part to a breeding program designed to enhance the aforementioned psychic powers, though… in the end, everyone's really inbred and often infertile.

Everyone forgets that they're from earth and for a few books it's straight fantasy before the Terrans come back and make contact.

It's really similar in tone (and at least sometimes content) to like, old romance novels.  Plots tend to be convoluted, characters tend to be quite broadly drawn, everything is melodramatic all the time.

Also, the series has a complicated relationship with homosexuality.  Supposedly it isn't taboo, but man do characters angst a lot about it and react really strongly to something they supposedly don't care about.  Also everyone's still supposed to make with the babies.  Some sorts of marriage-like commitment are available to same-sex couples, but they aren't the same thing as marriage, and until the founding of the Cult of Women's Rights, are only available to men.  As a form of friendship pledge with really heavy romantic and sexual connotations, but a friendship pledge nonetheless.  That said, it is regarded by the society as somewhat more important than actual marriage.  Later in the series, the aforementioned Cult of Women's Rights invents a form of marriage is far less binding, but is available to one of their members and whoever she chooses, no restrictions.

Gay characters get treated kind of like albinos: they tend to be evil, or shitty people, except for the ones that aren't, who tend to be heroes.  Not much in-between.  But hey, you know, they exist.  That's something.

And everyone seems to be genuinely cool about polyamory.

That sounds so up my alley that it's not even funny. Will get my hands on these! Thanks for the rec!


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#1482 | Back to Top03-06-2015 11:57:12 PM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Nocturnalux wrote:

I have picked up The Golden Bowl again, Henry James's final finished novel. I nearly finished at one point but the book disappeared only to resurface recently so I am rereading it. It is a very Henry James work with very dense prose, occasionally bordering on clunky, the dialogue is weirdly opaque and highly ambiguous so much so that it led me to believe that the characters are actually speaking through telepathy at the same time. That is how they can read a million deep meanings into 'Oh, quite'.
Perhaps because I am now more familiar with his very peculiar style and already know what to expect I can see James's rare but very fine humor. Thus far it had always eluded me completely.
I still want to know who killed Miles.

Just quoting this because it got moved into another thread.


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#1483 | Back to Top03-07-2015 07:09:54 PM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

I'm a fan of Catcher In The Rye, Speak by Laurie Anderson, Perks Of Being A Wallflower and am looking for a similar read.

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#1484 | Back to Top03-21-2015 11:02:52 AM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

I ended up reading Sherlock was Wrong by Pierre Bayard last night, and honestly it was pretty neat. The main concept of the book is that the Hound of Baskerville's solution, in story, was flawed, and attempts to find a more likely culprit. The author does so by analyzing not only the clues, but how the text is written, how the atmosphere is presented, and, interestingly, the relation with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and his creation (note: it wasn't a happy one.)
[They end up pointing towards Beryl Stapleton being the ultimate mastermind at the end though, if you want to know.]
There's also a few books with the same concept written by Bayard focusing on Agatha Christie's The Murder of Roger Ackroyd, and Hamlet. I honestly was fascinated more towards the parts relating the relationship with writer and work other than the murder mystery.
It was an interesting read, though it's good to know that the author is French. Because of cultural beliefs.

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#1485 | Back to Top03-26-2015 10:02:51 PM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Speaking of Sherlock, I've been reading a lot of Sherlock fic by famous authors lately. Neil Gaiman's "A Study in Emerald" was fantastic, but I really liked "The Case of Honey and Death," which was about Sherlock in China trying to conquer death by looking at bees; and then there was Michael Chabon's The Final Solution, which was retired Sherlock + WWII + sad orphans and smart parrots. It was pretty fantastic emot-biggrin And now I'm reading The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, and it's already fucking me up D:

Also mythpunk! Mythpunk is such a cool genre: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MythPunk

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#1486 | Back to Top03-28-2015 04:26:57 AM

dlaire
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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Bell Jar. What can I say - at first I hated it, then I appreciated it. Now I love it.

I am currently reading S. Kane and I greatly enjoy it.

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#1487 | Back to Top03-28-2015 11:32:33 AM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Anyone here like Borges? I've been reading a collection of some of his stories, it's pretty good.

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#1488 | Back to Top03-28-2015 11:54:49 AM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Sparky wrote:

Anyone here like Borges? I've been reading a collection of some of his stories, it's pretty good.

I'm a fan of his short stories, too! I have a collection on Kindle and I read them sporadically for a kick of weirdness.
The way his style is rational in its insanity reminds me a bit of Murakami sometimes.

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#1489 | Back to Top03-28-2015 02:01:05 PM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Labyrinths is one of my very favorite books. etc-love

I'm not sure I've ever heard Borges compared to Murakami before, but I have heard both Borges and Murakami compared to Italo Calvino.  I guess I get the comparison -- Snow, I love "rational insanity" as a way to describe all three authors' styles -- but their work reads very differently to me.  (With the caveat, of course, that I read all three of them in translation!!)  Calvino writes with a poet's attentiveness to language.  Every word is the right word; every sentence has a cadence that begs for you to read it out loud.  Everything on the page drives mercilessly towards his point or theme; everything extraneous is omitted.

Borges, by contrast, leaves you some blanks to fill in.  He doesn't get in your face with his theme the way Calvino does.  Like Calvino, he excels at creating a mood, but his specialty is not the empyrean lightness of Calvino but a sort of brooding heaviness or grittiness that at times borders on Lovecraftian.  A specialist in the frame tale, he often writes in the first person -- Calvino almost never does -- and as such his writing is constrained to sound more like something a real person might write than like Calvino's auteur-poetry.

Murakami's language is the most colloquial of the three, and he is also the most distanced from the narrative, writing in a matter-of-fact tone that stands in contrast to the passionate language of Calvino and the embroiled language of Borges's narrators.  What's more, of course, Murakami is predominantly a novelist, while the other two are predominantly short-story writers.  Even Calvino's novels read more like successions of thematically related scenes than like novels.  Murakami's writing is not as narratively tight as Calvino's or Borges's -- it's almost impossible to write a novel that is as narratively tight as a short story -- but he uses the extra space of the novel form to develop more characters and more ideas more completely than the other two can.  That's not necessarily a good thing, but it certainly does make him read differently than the other two to me.

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#1490 | Back to Top03-28-2015 07:25:10 PM

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If either of you ever get the chance you should read the Aleph short story collection edition I'm reading now which was translated to English by Borges himself, assuming you're like me and can't speak Spanish at least. They were the only stories ever translated by Borges himself before he died and his translation is supposed to be better than the others, he also considered the English translation superior to his original work in Spanish but that was probably just him being humble.

Also I can definitely see the influence he had on Murakami, either directly or otherwise. I've heard that Murakami writes in a unique style that's difficult to translate to English though so I guess it's kind of hard to compare their prose accurately.

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#1491 | Back to Top03-28-2015 07:28:20 PM

Atropos
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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

The fact that I'm on a forum that can foster discussions like these. etc-love I haven't read as much Calvino as I should, and not nearly enough Borges either, but I know where I'm probably going with the latter—satyr, what would you recommend from Calvino's oeuvre?

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#1492 | Back to Top03-28-2015 08:57:37 PM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

In my mind, Calvino's best book is Invisible Cities.  It has everything I like about Calvino -- the poetic sensibility, the amazing ability to set a tone with a few well-chosen words -- and, while it doesn't completely avoid the pretentiousness or overcleverness that Calvino is also known for, I'd argue that it has them in exactly the right amount. emot-wink  It's somewhere between a novel and a very-short-story collection (by which I mean that it's both of them).  He is probably better known for If on a winter's night a traveler, but to my taste he disappears up his own butt a little too much in that one -- as the absence of capitalization in the title might suggest.  The Baron in the Trees is a good taste of what Calvino is like as a novelist, and Cosmicomics and Difficult Loves are good conventional short story collections.

I hope you read and enjoy!  etc-love

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#1493 | Back to Top03-29-2015 12:40:33 PM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Rereading Michael Moorcock's Second Aether Trilogy (Blood, Fabulous Harbors, The War Amongst the Angels) and remembering how lovely and slippery and beautifully weird it is. Primarily concerned with gamblers betting on their ability to live amazing lives or make amazing worlds happen, Moorcock gleefully takes the tone of a 60s Heinlein story and uses it to address banking and poetry, replacing "logical" persuasion with poetic silliness, or Faulknerian romance and masochism, Sherlockian mystery, picaresques about roses who become pirates and guys who lose their family forever while they're busy looking at the holy grail.

I'll probably never groove on the old Elric stuff, or his anti-war gross out, The Eternal Hero and its sequels, but outside of those, I think Moorcock is one of the best writers of unapologetically pretty fiction we have going.


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#1494 | Back to Top03-29-2015 01:08:18 PM

Atropos
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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Dankeschön for the recommendations, satyr.

DD, have you read the Cornelius books?

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#1495 | Back to Top03-30-2015 11:42:00 PM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Sparky, I really like Borges. emot-smile If I had to compare him with someone, I would say: Lem (Solaris) and P.K. Dick. Borges isn´t a s-fi writer, but all those authors are philosophical and focused on the subject of reality and sanity.

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#1496 | Back to Top03-31-2015 11:04:16 AM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

PRESS BUTTON TO REGRESS BACK TO CHILDHOOD


Which is to say, listening to Stephen King novellas and short (rly?) stories on audible when I go to asleep at night.  Just, jeez.  I forgot how much he absolutely cannot barely contain his contempt for women.  OW.  I dunno.  Has any of his recent stuff improved in that regard? 

While I am at it, any good horror writing anyone want to recommend?  Can't say I'm much of a true crime gal, though.

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#1497 | Back to Top04-01-2015 03:29:10 AM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Atropos wrote:

DD, have you read the Cornelius books?

I've read the main quartet, and The Lives and Times, but I need to get the new edition of the Cornelius Calendar/Catherine and Una stuff when it comes out.

I like the techniques of the Cornelius stories.

OnlyInThisLight wrote:

Which is to say, listening to Stephen King novellas and short (rly?) stories on audible when I go to asleep at night.  Just, jeez.  I forgot how much he absolutely cannot barely contain his contempt for women.  OW.  I dunno.  Has any of his recent stuff improved in that regard?

You don't just love the child gangbang in It?

OnlyInThisLight wrote:

While I am at it, any good horror writing anyone want to recommend?  Can't say I'm much of a true crime gal, though.

Check out Nancy Collins, if you like horror with a tinge of humor/wit to it. And, if you haven't read any Joe R Lansdale, go for it. Now. Because he's just top shelf and haunting far beyond the physical violence or gross outs that do, also, happen.


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#1498 | Back to Top04-01-2015 05:26:46 PM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

I HAD REPRESSED THAT

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#1499 | Back to Top04-05-2015 01:51:58 AM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

Ashnod wrote:

In the past week, I've read Divergent, Insurgent, Four, and Allegiant.

So many mixed emotions.

Don't know what I should be feeling right now.

Yeah I stormed through those a few months ago.

I know when I hit the ending I felt the same way. I was stunned, I was sad, I was happy. For me, Tris made that story. I know she's not as popular as some of the other main characters in popular fiction these days, but for me Tris was special.

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#1500 | Back to Top04-05-2015 05:44:18 AM

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Re: Favorite books/Books you are currently reading

OnlyInThisLight wrote:

I HAD REPRESSED THAT

Funnily, so did King, who admitted to have casually hit upon that at one point, just thumbing through a copy somewhere, and not remembered, at least, the mechanics or extent of it. I think he makes a half-apology in On Writing somewhere.

Of course, part of his beef with the film version of The Shining is the misogynistic tones are ramped up into some kind of world order. And, fair enough. While roughly human in the novel, the movie pretty much equates "wife" with annoying shrill thing smash it smash it dead.


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