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Anime News Network asked Gio & Yasha to write an article about Utena, Empty Movement, and they totally called us superfans, omg. Think of it as a belated Valentine's to Utena, its fandom, and the excellent friendships we've made along the way. 20 Years of Utena Fandom with the Ultimate Superfans!!!

#26 | Back to Top02-16-2017 07:53:07 PM

Giovanna
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Re: Gio & Yasha piece on AnimeNewsNetwork

Aelanie wrote:

Please don't. The intentional infliction of that manga upon pristine human minds is something that I could only consider an atrocity.

Yeah but...like...I'm an Akio fan. Atrocity turns me on. ...why the fuck else would anyone read this shit?

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(Don't worry I'm also, like Akio, very lazy. But damn this is a fun read in the way that watching old people fall from stairs is entertaining.)

BTW, apparently the internet hasn't changed at all, because someone on the ANN forum used the article to call us shit superfans and something something expensive cels? It's funny because I would in theory agree, having my site survive the longest doesn't entitle me to be the boss of the fandom...but 1. I've never suggested I'm a super anything but fatass, and 2. hey I shit on my site as much as the next guy but saying EM contributes nothing but its age is a bit horseshit when about 50% of the images on Tumblr are in some way from the gallery. I know because of the pixels, meaning I literally assembled all these pixels and know my own work from anyone else's.

But yes, as someone on the internet that attracts even slightly more attention than none whatsoever, this is the first time someone's pointed out that I'm garbage and superfans are lame. poptart


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#27 | Back to Top02-16-2017 08:03:22 PM

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Re: Gio & Yasha piece on AnimeNewsNetwork

Oh my gosh, I just read the article. Congratulations, you two! You deserve the publicity after bringing so many fans together.


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#28 | Back to Top02-16-2017 08:30:26 PM

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Re: Gio & Yasha piece on AnimeNewsNetwork

Aelanie wrote:

Please don't. The intentional infliction of that manga upon pristine human minds is something that I could only consider an atrocity.

We have recently embraced the title of Internet Atrocity Tourists. It is the only label I have given myself thus far, and I intend to live up to it. I am all for a Let's Read thread.

Reposting this from tumblr:

Anecdote time:

When ANN asked us to write an article, I was afraid I wouldn’t be able to do it. I mean, I loved the idea and was all for it, but I had an injury that was really, really inconvenient for writing... and it was the SKU fandom’s fault! (sort of)

Two days beforehand, I had celebrated my birthday for the first time in five years. It was just a small gathering, but half the people there were people I’d met because of the fandom, my closest friends. That night I was making something involving oysters for dinner, and one of my fandom friends, S, had both bought the oysters and promised to teach me how to shuck them using an oyster knife. Now, in case you don’t know, oyster knives are super, super blunt except for a pointy tip. I was excited because I’d never done it before... aaaaaand we’d all been drinking. I’m sure you can guess what happened next.

Me: shit. huh.

S: oh shit Gio we need you

Gio: oh my god you need stitches

Me: NO, I’m fine, I don’t even feel it

Gio: No you should really get that stitched up

Me: LOL *waving bloody hand around* IT’S FINE SEE get me another drink

Gio: oh my god you’re stupid, fine but you have to put some gauze and stuff on it

Me: rofl you guys are wimps, HEY EVERYONE COME CHECK IT OUT I STABBED THE SHIT OUT OF MYSELF

Soooo... two days later, there I am with punctured hand (and still a little hung over). It’s fine. It doesn’t hurt so much. I’m not even taking painkillers for it. And then we get the email from ANN, and Gio says, “I need you to write the first draft of this, I’m working too much to do it."

Sigh. I left it as long as I could so I could have some time to heal up. Still, it was a six hour stretch of writing and when I was finished my hand was swollen so that I could barely close my fingers and SO painful.

And that’s the story of how the fandom sort of caused this gnarly new scar on my hand and also made me wish I was dead while writing an upbeat retrospective on SKU. Cheers!

Also, lol. Someone called us shit superfans. lol. It's not the first time I've ever heard that, but umm... if EM and IRG didn't exist, we would basically have the Escaflowne fandom right now. Not saying we as people are supergreat or anything, but EM is basically the nerve center of the fandom, and will continue to be so until someone builds something bigger and better. Gio and I are not important. The site is important as a collection of resources, and a gathering place for fans.


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#29 | Back to Top02-16-2017 08:33:22 PM

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Aelanie wrote:

And yknow, to be perfectly fair with you, yaoi and yuri are awful outlets for LGBT. Maybe once upon a time they made for good representation, like the classics Aelanie mentioned, but nowadays they're...how should I put it...gratuitous and fetishistic? They're written for the horny heterosexual gaze in mind.

Actually no, you are not being fair, or informed, at all. You frankly don't know anything about the yuri genre as a whole if you think that. The genesis of yuri was in female-aimed anime and manga, and the demographic readership of yuri in Japan remains primarily female. There are many female manga artists, some of them out lesbians or bisexuals themselves, who produce excellent and tasteful works of female/female romance, some of which I recommend in that thread I linked earlier. Fetishistic works exist, but so does plenty of substance. The genre is not one or another, it is both: an ever-widening and deepening corpus of work with different types of stories for different types of audiences looking for different things, and it is possible to enjoy a spectrum of such works without falling into people's glibly rehashed fan stereotypes.

That's fair. I probably was talking out of my ass in regards to Yuri since I haven't read a whole bunch of it and for that I apologise. But I still believe my point on Yaoi stands, the genre is by and large a cesspool.

Yaoi's rife with abuse apologism. And you can't really feel the tension between characters, no dynamic that feels fresh or engaging. Not to mention casually misogynistic emot-mad, which peeves me a lot because as a queer guy women (esp. queer women) have been my best allies. And who told these recent authors that Omegaverse was an interesting premise for M/M Authors, anyway? I thought that was something banished to the depths of deviantart and fanfiction.net. Say hello to all the butt babies, I guess.  In terms of art, Yaoi anatomy is notoriously wonky (remember Yaoi hands?) and the character designs are boring. The faded art style is becoming popular on pixiv and I guess it works for some people but I'm not much a fan myself.  I think if I had to award the definitive, best Yaoi manga made ever, then it would be Sakurai Gari by Watase Yuu. Now that's a good Yaoi, but it's still a dumb ol' Yaoi mind you.

I guess it's because Yaoi was written by and for heterosexual women, in contrast to Yuri which is by and for sapphic women, but even Bara's awful. It's all just mindless pornography. etc-saiowank There's probably a lot more I could say, but you get the gist.

Aelanie wrote:

I personally enjoy both thoughtful, well-written romance and cheerfully unambitious erotica at times, and I - and my best friend - are far from being "horny heterosexuals".

I never once considered you heterosexual. In my mind you were always a sapphic woman to me.

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#30 | Back to Top02-16-2017 08:50:04 PM

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Re: Gio & Yasha piece on AnimeNewsNetwork

SaigonAlice wrote:

But I still believe my point on Yaoi stands, the genre is by and large a cesspool.

Seconded. Even just from brushes with friends who read it, I have noticed that it is fucking awful. I never even tried to get into it even though guys together are hot, because most of it was just so fetishistic that I didn't even have to read it to know that. I don't have the time to sift through that junk to find the good stuff.


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#31 | Back to Top02-16-2017 09:28:22 PM

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Re: Gio & Yasha piece on AnimeNewsNetwork

Yasha wrote:

SaigonAlice wrote:

But I still believe my point on Yaoi stands, the genre is by and large a cesspool.

Seconded. Even just from brushes with friends who read it, I have noticed that it is fucking awful. I never even tried to get into it even though guys together are hot, because most of it was just so fetishistic that I didn't even have to read it to know that. I don't have the time to sift through that junk to find the good stuff.

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And y'all I just read a bit of Shitsuraken....I think I need take a small breather. Please excuse me. O_O


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#32 | Back to Top02-16-2017 09:50:08 PM

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Re: Gio & Yasha piece on AnimeNewsNetwork

SaigonAlice wrote:

And y'all I just read a bit of Shitsuraken....I think I need take a small breather. Please excuse me. O_O

I TOLD YOU TO STAY AWAY. YOU CHOSE THIS. YOU'LL LISTEN NEXT TIME I BET. NEVER DOUBT ME AGAIN.

.....

God damn it. It's spreading like cancer, and it's all my fault. emot-gonk

Seriously people, stop. I know what I'm talking about. I took the mental scars so you don't have to. There are things people are better off not seeing, not knowing, not experiencing. Trust and believe that I am protecting you, and STAY AWAY.

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#33 | Back to Top02-16-2017 09:51:27 PM

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Re: Gio & Yasha piece on AnimeNewsNetwork

I'd say most sapphic themes in anime are the opposite of oversexualized; as in, they're so pure as to be noncommittal. But we have YKA threads to talk about that ;u

I'd, like an idiot, read Shitsurakuen if it was published in English. Scanlations are like never up to par for me.

Oh, and about ANN; it's ultimately rather bland, but leagues above MAL's community; the last time I saw a MAL thread it was one about how bad symbolism was.

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#34 | Back to Top02-16-2017 10:11:53 PM

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Re: Gio & Yasha piece on AnimeNewsNetwork

Arale wrote:

I'd, like an idiot, read Shitsurakuen if it was published in English. Scanlations are like never up to par for me.

I don't think the quality or lack thereof is going to be very relevant for this one.

That's two hours I'll never get back, but I have no regrets. I stared into the abyss and it stared back with huge tits and said 'But if only one guy can abuse you, that's better than all of them doing it, so this is great!'

No seriously, it's complete shit, it's like someone watched SKU without absorbing a single thing from it except females in bondage good, domination cool, fights awesome. Either someone just made a paycheck trolling the entire manga reading populace, or they believed this was good and meaningful, and I don't know which is a better proof for that the entire planet should just have an OS reinstall.


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#35 | Back to Top02-16-2017 10:13:35 PM

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Re: Gio & Yasha piece on AnimeNewsNetwork

Ahahahaha, I drink your tears. school-devil


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#36 | Back to Top02-16-2017 10:18:57 PM

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Re: Gio & Yasha piece on AnimeNewsNetwork

The real irony is...I actually really like the artwork. Sad that it was put to such unfathomably terrible use. But that's true of a lot of amazingly talented artists who employ their skills drawing horrendous guro-porn.

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#37 | Back to Top02-16-2017 10:45:42 PM

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Re: Gio & Yasha piece on AnimeNewsNetwork

Oh oh, like Uziga? I looked him up recently, and like most atrocious shit from the internet, he seems to have lost his edge.

The art is pretty good, yeah. I found the blocking for the pages and stuff awkward and really this was all about how fucking horrible it was at everything it aimed to do.


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