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#1 | Back to Top10-15-2016 09:05:46 AM

YamPuff
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YAOI!! ON ICE

AKA Yurii!! On Ice

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i232/YamPuff/Yuri-on-Ice_zpsj9svw63h.jpg~original

In which everything is gay and nothing hurts?


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#2 | Back to Top10-15-2016 09:51:45 AM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

I've seen some of my online acquaintances have been watching YOI so I thought about giving it a try but as soon as I saw the characters' pictures, my enthusiasm went down a notch. I mean, sure, they are pretty. But I prefer my gay men manly. It's just a preference that I have. *shrugs*
Still, is it any good?

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#3 | Back to Top10-15-2016 02:00:27 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

That title is misleading! emot-tongue

But, it looks cute.

malna wrote:

I've seen some of my online acquaintances have been watching YOI so I thought about giving it a try but as soon as I saw the characters' pictures, my enthusiasm went down a notch. I mean, sure, they are pretty. But I prefer my gay men manly. It's just a preference that I have. *shrugs*

Not to pick on you, but outside of porn, I don't hugely get that as a main draw to a series. Is it just with anime and just with gay men, or is that a large factor for you in general? If you don't mind me asking.


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#4 | Back to Top10-15-2016 03:27:59 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

Not at all. I would say it's mainly with anime but overall it tends to be a factor too. That said, there are definitely shows I watch no matter how anyone looks in them. I'd enjoy Utena if the characters were all scarecrows just as much.


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#5 | Back to Top10-15-2016 05:46:17 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

Just realized that they missed a golden opportunity by not calling it Yuri Acting On Ice so that it could be abbreviated as YAOI.


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#6 | Back to Top10-18-2016 06:57:08 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

I just watched the first episode and really loved it. I wonder if this anime was inspired by Hanyu Yuzuru's immense success? The lead even looks a bit like Yuzuru who is basically Cuteness On Ice. And then there is the fact that Yuzuku idolized a Russian figure skater growing up and even managed to compete and even win against as him in the 2014 Olympics.
It may a coincidence but I doubt it.

That aside, the animation is really fluid during the skating sequences which really helps to set the mood.

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#7 | Back to Top10-18-2016 09:34:02 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

I have been wanting an ice skating anime FOR YEARS. I would always tell my friend "ice skating anime when??" I was starting to lose hope of ever getting one, but then finally Yuri on Ice made its entrance and it was FANTASTIC. Better than I could have ever dreamed of getting! emot-biggrin etc-love  I'm loving it a lot so far, needless to say.

It's a bit surreal to see everyone on my twitter timeline posting pics of Plushenko now. He's always been my favorite ice skater and I followed a few fan twitters, but now anime fans I followed (mainly for Free!) are posting stuff about him lol.


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#8 | Back to Top10-19-2016 06:13:53 AM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

HonorableShadow wrote:

It's a bit surreal to see everyone on my twitter timeline posting pics of Plushenko now. He's always been my favorite ice skater and I followed a few fan twitters, but now anime fans I followed (mainly for Free!) are posting stuff about him lol.

Oh? I used to be a devoted Yagudin fan. I even sent him a letter once and he sent me back his signed picture. etc-love Hey, I was 15 - it was all very emotional and hormonal. Plushenko however never appealed to my aesthetics.
Okay, I'll definitely check at least the first episode.


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#9 | Back to Top10-19-2016 02:19:35 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

I think it is genuinely good so far. It's funny, good animation and has that sports-anime feel.

It doesn't feel like it's gay-baiting either, looks like they're going for a straight (haha) up romance. Which is nice for a change. I mean, he very plainly asked a woman to teach him how to dance in a more feminine, seductive way and thinks 'I know who I'm dancing for' right towards Viktor so yeah, hard to straightsplain your way out of that.


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#10 | Back to Top10-19-2016 07:35:55 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

So I've watched the first episode and then promptly followed it with the next two. Suffice to say I'm hooked.

Coach Victor is a creepy molester and "performing the eros of the pork cutlet bowl" sounds almost OnlyInThisLight (not quite there, mind you, but it shows ambition).


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#11 | Back to Top10-19-2016 08:52:01 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

It looks like others have seen the Hanyu Yuzuru/Yuri on Ice connection:

https://pp.vk.me/c636422/v636422444/1a78d/RVPRgI88m0w.jpg

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#12 | Back to Top10-21-2016 03:00:19 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

The anime is actually getting a lot of people interested in skating!

I was a big fan of skating when I was younger, I knew a lot of the big names and used to follow certain people, watch the Olympics for it, etc. So the show is kind of nostalgic for me this way!


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#13 | Back to Top10-26-2016 06:39:08 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

I never expected to love this show so much. It's gorgeous, and I love the attention to body language and realistic movement, both on and off the ice. I also fiercely identify with Yuri K. in...a myriad of ways. It's painful to wait a week between episodes, and if it gets a home video release I will buy it without hesitation. So. good.

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#14 | Back to Top10-30-2016 10:46:12 AM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

malna wrote:

Coach Victor is a creepy molester and "performing the eros of the pork cutlet bowl" sounds almost OnlyInThisLight (not quite there, mind you, but it shows ambition).

I was just over here like, HELL YEAH EROS IS THE LOVE OF AN OBJECT!!  AGAPE IS THE IDEALIZED TRUE, PLATONIC LOVE BETWEEN DUDES.  Ancient Greece wasn't the most progressive towards women; they felt that love towards a woman was always this shallow, damaging "eros" and it's what the gods used to drive men crazy, because women were objects and what kind of dude falls for an object?  So, Yuri choosing to represent his feelings for a delish food while also dancing more femininely makes perfect sense.  Same with other, lesser Yuri's identification of Agape as his love for his Grandfather.

GAY SKATES CARTOON GETS IT!!!

Still, not convinced it ISN'T gaybaiting right now.  I'll deem it legit shonen-ai when I see boy kissies.  I mean, I love Free! as well, but it was ultimately gaybaiting.  Just a whooooooooooooooole lot of it. 

Also can we talk about all these female characters?  Childhood friends, teachers, a loving mother, omg. Look at them.

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#15 | Back to Top11-01-2016 12:44:25 AM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

OnlyInThisLight wrote:

Still, not convinced it ISN'T gaybaiting right now.

For me it's kind of a toss up. I'm surprisingly...optimistic though?

OnlyInThisLight wrote:

Also can we talk about all these female characters?  Childhood friends, teachers, a loving mother, omg. Look at them.

I adore this aspect, and I think the director being a woman has a lot to do with it!  I also appreciated that there was no cliche childhood friend/crush relationship drama.

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#16 | Back to Top11-04-2016 10:58:52 AM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

With each episode that comes out it becomes harder and harder for me to believe it's merely gaybaiting. I don't know if there will be any proper kissing, but the series has made it quite clear that Yuri x Victor is a thing, if only by the shocked/ blushing/ amused reactions of the people around them. I actually think that kissing would be less intimate than some of the things that have been shown on screen so far...XD


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#17 | Back to Top11-16-2016 01:12:48 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

Ooooh my god oooh my gooood. I love this show.

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#18 | Back to Top11-16-2016 05:15:59 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

[THEY KISSED!!] emot-gonketc-loveetc-love


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#19 | Back to Top11-17-2016 10:28:33 AM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

HonorableShadow wrote:

[THEY KISSED!!] emot-gonketc-loveetc-love

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NO THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A HUG VICTOR AND YURI ARE ARE MERELY CLOSE FRIENDS, RATHER LIKE BROTHERS
]


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#20 | Back to Top11-17-2016 07:46:44 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

YamPuff wrote:

HonorableShadow wrote:

[THEY KISSED!!] emot-gonketc-loveetc-love

[
NO THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A HUG VICTOR AND YURI ARE ARE MERELY CLOSE FRIENDS, RATHER LIKE BROTHERS
]

Ah yes, just like brothers.  Isn't it nice to have such good friends? emot-rofl


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#21 | Back to Top11-18-2016 11:08:44 AM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

HonorableShadow wrote:

YamPuff wrote:

HonorableShadow wrote:

[THEY KISSED!!] emot-gonketc-loveetc-love

[
NO THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A HUG VICTOR AND YURI ARE ARE MERELY CLOSE FRIENDS, RATHER LIKE BROTHERS
]

Ah yes, just like brothers.  Isn't it nice to have such good friends? emot-rofl

In a meta sense I actually kind of like how they 'covered' that up, just to show how far people will go to say 'they're just friends'.


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#22 | Back to Top11-23-2016 03:32:29 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

Hmm, I think I should have posted before watching episode 8.  'Cause that episode, man.  Before that episode I was a lot more invested.  I had a lot more faith in the show not sticking to the tradition of gaybaiting and the constraints of a slice-of-life/sports/comedy anime.  And now I don't.

Like, up 'till now, the show has followed a pretty clear arc of romantic escalation between Victor and Yuri.  Shit happened, and in the next episode, it stayed happened.  And then the end of episode 7 happened (which has been kept in spoiler tags so, okay) and… didn't seem to stay happened.  It never got resolved.

And I'm not saying that episode 8 had to be the tasty, tasty denouement to that.  It could happen after a time skip, even a fairly small one, or the characters could be putting it off, or any number of other things.  Putting off resolution would be a good way to maintain tension through yet more skating routines animated nearly in full.  Hell, if you wanted to get political, (and I really wonder if making an obvious expy of one of Russia's top male figure skaters pretty okay with kissing a dude isn't political, given all the WE'RE REALLY NOT GAY BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE TERRIBLE that Russia gets up to, especially around sports) you could reveal at the end that they've been keeping things quiet because doing anything else could land them both, and especially Victor, in serious trouble.

But all of that requires that Yuri's internal narrative be concealed from the viewers, or centered around a theme of WHAT WHERE IS THIS GOING.  And it isn't.

And so, that's… that's a story of how I lost faith.

I'll probably keep watching.  It's a really beautiful show.  And maybe it'll rise above my depressed expectations.  But I wouldn't bet on it.


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#23 | Back to Top12-08-2016 07:36:22 AM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

I can't believe they exchanged rings! I hope the wedding is next. 

Also, this makes me happy (tweeted by the creator):
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzJ_IUzXUAADsqO.jpg


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#24 | Back to Top12-08-2016 09:44:00 AM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

Gayest anime ever.


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#25 | Back to Top12-21-2016 05:56:44 PM

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Re: YAOI!! ON ICE

Spoilers for the finale ahead!!

So, the show ends with no real, concrete, plainly and proudly stated confirmation that Yuuri and Viktor are in love with eachother, romantically.


What a fucking surprise.

It's as Kita said.  This show was highly polished gay-baiting intelligent enough to focus on one main pairing rather than a harem (such as Free!), but it was still just that.  Gay baiting. Hints, innuendos, little shit like that is for straight fangirls to squee over and make memes out of.  It's not representation and LGBTQ people deserve better than being turned into fanservice.

I'm sorry.  I did love this show and it's characters and Yuri and Victor's clearly thinly veiled queer romance.  I'll be re-watching, even!  But I am damn tired of veils, and damn tired of fans acting as if these teasing scraps of representation are good enough.

I can't even be on tumblr right now.  The confirmation bias is blinding.

They didn't get married.  They make a point of Yuuri backtracking on that statement and frame Victor's promise as sarcasm.  And, of course, as soon as it was said I knew it meant Yuri wouldn't win gold.  Harder to write themselves out of that one.  And like.  Who even wanted to see a fucking 8 month relationship between two people who hadn't met previously wind up in marriage on the 8th month?  We did.  Because that's how desperate we were for confirmation, any confirmation, even if it was moronic and the kind of thing indicative of really shallow, bad and often doomed relationships. 

They didn't kiss.  We didn't see it.  No one said anything about it. No calls from mom asking if Yuri and Viktor were dating. No instagram posts from the skating otaku.  No confessions of love or attraction were stated.

Just.  Fuck.  What the hell is so hard about giving us any of that?  Every moment of genuine, romantic queerness that wasn't being played for ecchi humour between these two was almost immediately back tracked over or provided just enough plausible deniability that what we were seeing wasn't gay.

Even Yuuri's little speech on his love for Viktor was FULL OF IT.   It was abstract, it was MORE than just simple romantic love (how insulting.  that it's homosexual love being treated as the shallow love we must rise above in our media in order to understand, truer, deeper love), it was friendship, it was blah blah.  It's all just a really long way of saying no-homo.

Just give me a minute. 

I'll be back to loving this show in a bit and re-watching the dual skate but right now.  No.  I am mad.

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