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#151 | Back to Top04-13-2017 07:42:55 PM

SaigonAlice
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Re: Steven Universe

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#152 | Back to Top04-15-2017 02:30:07 PM

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Re: Steven Universe

itavin wrote:

I just saw rocknaldo. Lets just say I wanted to rockill myself.  One of the worst su  episodes to air, even with the nice first 3 minutes(satire on how everyone thinks lesbians act like), but the rest are painful to watch and I hope we can all forget that it existed. Sure su is getting better with time, but this is a new low like that one dumb episode in sailor moon super s with minako and hawk eye and tigers eye conflict. Its that dumb.

Loved Rocknaldo.  Perfect, ceaseless roast of entitled male fans who interject themselves into women's spaces, and a strong message on how to be a good ally for LGBTQ or other marginalized people.

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#153 | Back to Top04-16-2017 02:17:09 AM

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Re: Steven Universe

OnlyInThisLight wrote:

itavin wrote:

I just saw rocknaldo. Lets just say I wanted to rockill myself.  One of the worst su  episodes to air, even with the nice first 3 minutes(satire on how everyone thinks lesbians act like), but the rest are painful to watch and I hope we can all forget that it existed. Sure su is getting better with time, but this is a new low like that one dumb episode in sailor moon super s with minako and hawk eye and tigers eye conflict. Its that dumb.

Loved Rocknaldo.  Perfect, ceaseless roast of entitled male fans who interject themselves into women's spaces, and a strong message on how to be a good ally for LGBTQ or other marginalized people.

Except the message was very...vague, to the point that TERFS interpreted it as Trans Women supposedly invading Women's Spaces. :/


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#154 | Back to Top04-16-2017 01:16:18 PM

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Re: Steven Universe

OnlyInThisLight wrote:

itavin wrote:

I just saw rocknaldo. Lets just say I wanted to rockill myself.  One of the worst su  episodes to air, even with the nice first 3 minutes(satire on how everyone thinks lesbians act like), but the rest are painful to watch and I hope we can all forget that it existed. Sure su is getting better with time, but this is a new low like that one dumb episode in sailor moon super s with minako and hawk eye and tigers eye conflict. Its that dumb.

Loved Rocknaldo.  Perfect, ceaseless roast of entitled male fans who interject themselves into women's spaces, and a strong message on how to be a good ally for LGBTQ or other marginalized people.

I guess you could see the episode like that, but that still doesn't make the episode good by any means. If you do claim that this is about how to be an ally, it doesn't work since Steven could have just told Ronald from the start how to be a better ally and explain to him about the Crystal gems, like he did with Connie, or any of the Crystal gems did anything to help despite the fact that I could see them stepping in and correcting him on his offensive idea's. Also about the women's space thing, isn't Steven a boy who interfered their space and so did Greg? I am not sure what did you really mean by that statement and I may have misunderstood it but to say that Ronald has interfered with their space first feels kind of wrong.


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#155 | Back to Top04-17-2017 01:33:39 PM

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Re: Steven Universe

itavin wrote:

OnlyInThisLight wrote:

itavin wrote:

I just saw rocknaldo. Lets just say I wanted to rockill myself.  One of the worst su  episodes to air, even with the nice first 3 minutes(satire on how everyone thinks lesbians act like), but the rest are painful to watch and I hope we can all forget that it existed. Sure su is getting better with time, but this is a new low like that one dumb episode in sailor moon super s with minako and hawk eye and tigers eye conflict. Its that dumb.

Loved Rocknaldo.  Perfect, ceaseless roast of entitled male fans who interject themselves into women's spaces, and a strong message on how to be a good ally for LGBTQ or other marginalized people.

I guess you could see the episode like that, but that still doesn't make the episode good by any means. If you do claim that this is about how to be an ally, it doesn't work since Steven could have just told Ronald from the start how to be a better ally and explain to him about the Crystal gems, like he did with Connie, or any of the Crystal gems did anything to help despite the fact that I could see them stepping in and correcting him on his offensive idea's. Also about the women's space thing, isn't Steven a boy who interfered their space and so did Greg? I am not sure what did you really mean by that statement and I may have misunderstood it but to say that Ronald has interfered with their space first feels kind of wrong.

I think this essay explains it pretty well:  Chu...

Especially these bits:

This dance of someone being called out, declaring an intention to make good, and then making it all about themselves is so real it practically pops off the screen; and Ronaldo’s antics are given weight and consequence because of Steven’s role in the story, who’s genuinely hurt and upset rather than being able to just roll his eyes and walk away...

The passive aggressive comments Ronaldo makes when he announces himself open to learning about this marginalized group, only to find he’s not immediately the star of the show and the most lauded part of this community....


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#156 | Back to Top04-17-2017 02:08:52 PM

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Re: Steven Universe

YamPuff wrote:

itavin wrote:

OnlyInThisLight wrote:

Loved Rocknaldo.  Perfect, ceaseless roast of entitled male fans who interject themselves into women's spaces, and a strong message on how to be a good ally for LGBTQ or other marginalized people.

I guess you could see the episode like that, but that still doesn't make the episode good by any means. If you do claim that this is about how to be an ally, it doesn't work since Steven could have just told Ronald from the start how to be a better ally and explain to him about the Crystal gems, like he did with Connie, or any of the Crystal gems did anything to help despite the fact that I could see them stepping in and correcting him on his offensive idea's. Also about the women's space thing, isn't Steven a boy who interfered their space and so did Greg? I am not sure what did you really mean by that statement and I may have misunderstood it but to say that Ronald has interfered with their space first feels kind of wrong.

I think this essay explains it pretty well:  Chu...

Especially these bits:

This dance of someone being called out, declaring an intention to make good, and then making it all about themselves is so real it practically pops off the screen; and Ronaldo’s antics are given weight and consequence because of Steven’s role in the story, who’s genuinely hurt and upset rather than being able to just roll his eyes and walk away...

The passive aggressive comments Ronaldo makes when he announces himself open to learning about this marginalized group, only to find he’s not immediately the star of the show and the most lauded part of this community....

This still doesn't make the episode good imo because the message is a-vague and open to interpretation and b-a terrible story. It is more obnoxious then it needs to be and Steven and the gems act a little out of character. Steven, while being a nice kid, is overly easily gets manipulated by Ronaldo, which is weird considering Steven isn't a very manipulable guy, and I think that Steven isn't the one that should have passed on the message, but the Crystal gems, who are most likely more offended the Steven should be, or even better to pass the message to Steven and make him pass the message to Ronaldo in a more peaceful way, not burst out, which is also out of character, at least in situations like those, where he is usually more calm and in control. Also, Ronaldo being obnoxious and unlikable in any sense kept me away from understanding the message. An alternative version of this could be about Connie's mom, trying to under stand her daughter as well as having the Crystal gems explain the message to her instead of Steven.


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#157 | Back to Top04-18-2017 10:18:01 AM

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Re: Steven Universe

YamPuff wrote:

Anyone here watching this humble, understated little cartoon heavily influenced by Shoujo Kakumei Utena?
Diverse cast, sensitive and progressive handling of gender roles, nuanced character development, canon lesbians, I could go on for hours.

Chu...

ZETTAI UNMMEI-- no wait, wrong cartoon. school-devil

I am waiting for the #StevenBomb happening June 15th, can't wait!

OMG, I never realized that the Moon Spire is exactly like the dueling arena!!  How did I miss that?

I can't wait form more episodes!  I just say Lion 4 Alternate ending.

YamPuff wrote:

Also this:
Chu...

It get's weirder when she shapeshifts into Rose...  This all heavily implies the Amethyst and Greg have gotten it on at some point.

YamPuff wrote:

is the Gem placement in any way significant?

The only time I have seen any significance to the gem placement would be the Ruby squad.  Each one's Gem is placed in areas that reflect the personality of the branch of the US military.  Like Navy (her gem  is in her naval) is super gay (flamboyant really), Army (her gem is in her arm) is though... ETC.  "Eyeball" or as I like to call her Ruby Fury (like of Nick Fury) is, well, like Nick Fury- leader type.  COuld be interpreted as intelligence like the CIA but I dunno.

Revolutionary wrote:

I liked watching Last One Out of Beach City (90's style teen movie! Rebel Pearl!). It gives Pearl some development, lets her find herself again, and is just fun all around. The only thing I'm not sure about is Mystery Girl. It's great for Pearl to finally move on, but I loved Pearl x Rose, and I don't want S. to just be a replacement for Rose. We shall see.
The hiatus is killing me too, but the shorts help and I've been spending time looking at fan art, comics, and memes and discussing the show with some friends.

I loooooove this episode so much!!!  I don't think of Mystery girl as a replacement for Rose, but rather Pearl has a type that she's into. (Big ladies with Pink hair... I can't blame her!)

I love all the characters so much but the two that speak to me the most are Pearl and Garnet.  Garnet because she's just awesome and everything I want a relationship to be.  I identify with Pearl the most.  OCD, anxiety ridden, and unsure of herself and her identity... not to mention queer AF.

Sorry for all the edits to this post.  I read through the WHOLE thread while at work today and rather than having a millions posts responding to each new thing I wanted to talk about I just edited them into one post. emot-smile

I just wanna say I love that we want to know more about Rose and only slowly get to learn about her over time because we are experiencing all of this from Steven's perspective.

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#158 | Back to Top04-22-2017 03:03:29 PM

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Re: Steven Universe

I am getting to the point where I am wondering less and less about Rose and Pink Diamond's backstory and more about why the Gems are keeping Steven in the dark. Do the writers have a good reason, or are they just keeping us (and so Steven) without knowledge???

It's also starting to annoy me a little: every design I see on Tumblr of redrawn Lapis looks way better than canon Lapis. Gold freckles, darker skin, wilder hair. I know she's so loved by the fandom but man is her canon design boring!


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#159 | Back to Top04-24-2017 10:45:48 AM

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Re: Steven Universe

YamPuff wrote:

I am getting to the point where I am wondering less and less about Rose and Pink Diamond's backstory and more about why the Gems are keeping Steven in the dark. Do the writers have a good reason, or are they just keeping us (and so Steven) without knowledge???

It's also starting to annoy me a little: every design I see on Tumblr of redrawn Lapis looks way better than canon Lapis. Gold freckles, darker skin, wilder hair. I know she's so loved by the fandom but man is her canon design boring!

I think we're getting to the end game with the show honestly.  With Ruby squad heading to Home World the Diamonds will find out about Steven and shit is going to hit the fan.  The episodes have become more epic (when we don't get filler bullshit like Rocknaldo or the baseball episode) (and yes some will argue it's world building and etc, but we're almost into season 5.  the world is BUILT damn it).

It has come to a point with Rose's back story that I think you're right, the Gem's not telling him what's up is actually more harmful to Steven at this point... going so far as Greg was taken b/c Garnet didn't want to tell Steven what the litter he kept seeing was.

Lapis is pretty cool but I find her kinda boring these days.  The writers need to bring her and Peridot into the central fold.  We see so little of them I kinda don't even care what they are doing anymore.

We have three place settings more or less 1.) The Temple/The Crystal Gems, 2.) Beach City (all human cast members), and 3.) The Farm (Lapis and Peridot).  With the number of episodes we get from Beach City and The farm, I feel like the could be eliminated, or we need more frequent episodes there to keep them relevant.  Other wise when we get episodes like Rocknaldo they feel like they just broke momentum toward the main story. (imo)


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#160 | Back to Top04-24-2017 02:02:27 PM

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Re: Steven Universe

NEW PROMO

Chu...

http://i65.tinypic.com/vncody.jpg
Y U MAKE PEARL CRY D:

http://i64.tinypic.com/25ounus.jpg
NEW GEMS???

MYSTERIOUS VOICE, WHO R U?

Maybe all the theories about Onion being a Gem are true XD


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#161 | Back to Top04-24-2017 02:54:29 PM

LadyButterflyNebula
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Re: Steven Universe

YamPuff wrote:

NEW PROMO

Chu...

Chu...
Y U MAKE PEARL CRY D:

Chu...
NEW GEMS???

MYSTERIOUS VOICE, WHO R U?

Maybe all the theories about Onion being a Gem are true XD

emot-gonk I need to see this now!!!!!!!

With the episode titles available I can only guess which one is making Pearl cry. school-sherlock

Also [I really wonder if White Diamond is a fusion of the three Diamonds we know of.  It's like they are three parts of a personality.
  Yellow is clearly to business/survivor/strength aspect, Blue is clearly sorrrow, and from what we've seen of Pink Diamond's legion, Pink may have been joy.  Together they would make white (since they're creatures of light and with lore from the app Game ATTACK OF LIGHT).  What do you all think?
]

http://i.imgur.com/1fsRV5v.jpg

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#162 | Back to TopYesterday 02:26:37 PM

YamPuff
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Re: Steven Universe

LadyButterflyNebula wrote:

YamPuff wrote:

NEW PROMO

Chu...

Chu...
Y U MAKE PEARL CRY D:

Chu...
NEW GEMS???

MYSTERIOUS VOICE, WHO R U?

Maybe all the theories about Onion being a Gem are true XD

emot-gonk I need to see this now!!!!!!!

With the episode titles available I can only guess which one is making Pearl cry. school-sherlock

Also [I really wonder if White Diamond is a fusion of the three Diamonds we know of.  It's like they are three parts of a personality.
  Yellow is clearly to business/survivor/strength aspect, Blue is clearly sorrrow, and from what we've seen of Pink Diamond's legion, Pink may have been joy.  Together they would make white (since they're creatures of light and with lore from the app Game ATTACK OF LIGHT).  What do you all think?
]

Chu...

That is one really good theory - I like that! Not sure if true considering[ the dismissive attitude Gems have towards fusions as something only weak Gems do (if the Diamonds do it, then wouldn't everyone want to emulate them?--unless no one knows that White Diamond is a fusion). That would mean that Pink Diamond's death is doubly bad because they can no longer form white diamond without her!]


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#163 | Back to TopToday 01:16:17 PM

LadyButterflyNebula
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Re: Steven Universe

YamPuff wrote:

LadyButterflyNebula wrote:

YamPuff wrote:

NEW PROMO

Chu...

Chu...
Y U MAKE PEARL CRY D:

Chu...
NEW GEMS???

MYSTERIOUS VOICE, WHO R U?

Maybe all the theories about Onion being a Gem are true XD

emot-gonk I need to see this now!!!!!!!

With the episode titles available I can only guess which one is making Pearl cry. school-sherlock

Also [I really wonder if White Diamond is a fusion of the three Diamonds we know of.  It's like they are three parts of a personality.
  Yellow is clearly to business/survivor/strength aspect, Blue is clearly sorrrow, and from what we've seen of Pink Diamond's legion, Pink may have been joy.  Together they would make white (since they're creatures of light and with lore from the app Game ATTACK OF LIGHT).  What do you all think?
]

Chu...

That is one really good theory - I like that! Not sure if true considering[ the dismissive attitude Gems have towards fusions as something only weak Gems do (if the Diamonds do it, then wouldn't everyone want to emulate them?--unless no one knows that White Diamond is a fusion). That would mean that Pink Diamond's death is doubly bad because they can no longer form white diamond without her!]

Oh yes.
[See that's what I think!  I think the Diamonds use it and are threatened by the strength gems can gain by fusing together.  It's like nuclear power.  You want to have it on your side but not by the side of anyone who could use it against you.  This would also explain how Rose's rebellion was so successful.  As individuals gems are limited in their powers, but if enough fused together they could become more powerful than the Diamonds (Possibly even more powerful than White Diamond).  This theaory would also explain the "new" home world insignia with White Diamond on top, Blue and Yellow below, but the whole thing is enveloped in green, the color we would get from mixing blue and yellow.  I would argue that Homeworld hasn't seen White Diamond since Pink Diamond's shattering, has no idea that White Diamond is a fusion, and treat fusion like heresy to keep the power of fusion from their subjects]
https://goo.gl/images/VJp1cW
https://goo.gl/images/ZfpEfI

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