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#26 | Back to Top12-12-2006 11:32:28 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Interesting... Interesting...

I'm one of the "old folks" on the forum (which I am hereby declaring as over the age of 25).  I'm 27, white (German, through and through), bisexual and finally middle-classed.  Yay!  My first encounter with Utena was at age 19 from my one friend in college, a straight guy that had been sent the first 4 episodes on fansub.  I remember being in shock from all the roses.  I was barely a year into the discovery of anime and I came from a really yuppie place, so looking at Utena as more than the outer fluff was hard.  Thankfully that changed a couple years later after I'd seen a lot and decided to give Utena another shot.

As for diversity of Utena fanbs, my best friend is a couple years younger than me, white, female, straight and Catholic and she enjoys the show.  She didn't like the ending, but I don;t think she realized the story was not meant to have a "happy ending".  I also don;t think she actually paid attention to the whole ending.  But it's so interesting who all likes Utena.


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#27 | Back to Top12-12-2006 11:35:11 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

It would actually also be interesting to see how many people here don't really like happy endings. I'm not keen on them because all too often they seem like they've been tacked on to keep the fans happy.


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#28 | Back to Top12-12-2006 11:42:06 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

I like good endings. Sometimes that means happy endings, sometimes not. It really depends on the series.

Utena, for the record, has an awesome ending, one of the best I've ever seen in anime (really not saying much, though, since anime has a strong tendancy towards horribly botched endings).

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#29 | Back to Top12-12-2006 11:49:48 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Mmm, yeah, I have to say... I'm usually incredibly dissatisfied with endings, whether they are happy OR sad.  Especially in anime.

When I first found out how SKU ended... I was totally... upset, confused, devestated.  I felt that Anthy leaving at the end was just a... consolation prize for destroying my wonderful hero Utena.  Realizing that the ending was, in fact, perfect (and, I think, pretty happy in most ways) was one of the greatest feelings of epiphany I've had in my life.

I mean, I remember the exact moment with complete clarity.  What's that saying? 

That I'm a freak?  Well, that's a given. emot-biggrin  I wonder if initial reactions to SKU's ending deserves a thread..............I always feel like I'm taking liberties when I make threads.  I don't wanna.

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#30 | Back to Top12-13-2006 03:00:02 AM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Blade wrote:

I like good endings. Sometimes that means happy endings, sometimes not. It really depends on the series.

Utena, for the record, has an awesome ending, one of the best I've ever seen in anime (really not saying much, though, since anime has a strong tendancy towards horribly botched endings).

We may be at each others' throats on the other thread, so to speak, but I agree with you here. The right ending is the most important thing and that's what I liked about the end of SKU (well, besides the fact that it was indeed the end). Sometimes happy endings are appropriate, and when they are I like them. My issue with them arises when they seem to exist not because they're the right ending but because the writer thought it would make the fans happy.


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#31 | Back to Top12-13-2006 07:22:10 AM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Mmm...21 white female, although I'm pretty much straight, despite some bi-curious leanings. I am pretty poverty-stricken, though -I literally live below the poverty line, so low that I haven't had to pay taxes the last couple years. I proudly proclaim my Italian heritage, but my mom's side of the family is interesting, too -and makes me INCREDIBLY white. My great-grandmother traced it back about 600 years or so after her husband died in the late 80's, so I know that we had family that was part of both the Civil War (one of the very few to survive Pickett's Charge, actually) and the Revolutionary War. She traced it back through to the Mayflower (and a gen or two beyond before she had to give up) so I guess that means Thanksgiving should have more meaning for me then it does -I hate turkey so bad. Also, Buffalo Bill Cody? Like, my great-great-great uncle. emot-keke


Aside, you might know more about my family then you think! Anybody here ever watch Wings, the old show on NBC? One of the writers, David Lee, I think, was my cousin's roommate at Yale. All the stories that Antonio told about the old country and his family? At least 75% of those are about my family.


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#32 | Back to Top12-13-2006 07:34:17 AM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

morosemocha wrote:

I proudly proclaim my Italian heritage

Necessity, given how Italian you look. emot-wink

...I almost without fail root for the bad guy, so endings tend to disappoint me. emot-frown Except SKU...well in a sense Akio wins. Not by the standards of the show, but he'll end up getting what he wanted. cool


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#33 | Back to Top12-13-2006 07:45:24 AM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Giovanna wrote:

morosemocha wrote:

I proudly proclaim my Italian heritage

Necessity, given how Italian you look. emot-wink

Hahahaha! You should see my prom pics. I look a bit Sophia Loren -crossed with a chipmunk, though, cause I have a really round face. I hate my sister, cause she looks like Audrey Hepburn. When I do her makeup for cosplays though, inevitably people ask her if she's japanese, which I just don't understand, because she looks more Italian then I do. She looks more like the Greek/Tuscan part of the family. Little bitch has gorgeous skin.

Giovanna wrote:

...I almost without fail root for the bad guy, so endings tend to disappoint me. emot-frown Except SKU...well in a sense Akio wins. Not by the standards of the show, but he'll end up getting what he wanted. cool

Indeed. I say Ikuhara needs to rewrite the ending and have Akio get what he wants. A harem.


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#34 | Back to Top12-13-2006 10:47:05 AM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

I like good endings too. I'd have to say that the best endings to an anime I've ever seen were the ending to SKU, and the ending to the Tenchi Muyo TV series (which is kind of funny because I think the OVA series is much better in every other regard).

The ending to Victorian Romance Emma made me horribly angry, even though it was realistic.


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#35 | Back to Top12-13-2006 11:28:06 AM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

I'm 18, female, an Estonian, Low/Middle-class. Estonian is also my native language but we learn a lot of other languages in school. I only consider myself good at English, since I haven't had many chances to practice my Russian or German outside of classes. As for my sexual orientation, I'll leave it undefine since I place absolutely no importance to it. Funny thing is I can't really talk about it here in Estonia since most people are quite narrow-minded and homophobic. Racists? You bet! If people were more open-minded around here, I'd like living here much more. In fact, if it wasn't for the language and culture, I wouldn't have anything to do with Estonians. So what our country is famous hot women!
Anyeway, the point is, I don't consider myself an average Estonian. I don't have absolutely anything against people with different nationality/skin colour/sexual orientation/whatever but it saddens me that the majority here does. emot-gonk

And I love this forum. etc-love This is the best thing to happen to internet in a long time! I've been to so many forums and eventually most of them lost their politeness or turned into Spamfests. Also, this is one of the few forums I feel welcomed to and for some reason I come here waaaay too often. This is always the first place I visit when I'm online and it's so damn hard to stay away from here.

What does this show? That SKU is still around and does not even plan to leave after being released about 10 years ago AND that the wonderful webmistressesesesses of Empty Movement are doing a great job at sharing their love for SKU with everyone else. school-eng101


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#36 | Back to Top12-14-2006 12:09:15 AM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Maarika, your English is better than that of many native English-speakers. At least, it sure appears that way.


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#37 | Back to Top12-14-2006 05:39:52 AM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Why thank you! I hope I'll do well on my exams.
I've had a few other people told me that my English is better than some of the native-speakers'. That's so illogical to me, my grammar may be fine mostly, but not only do I mess up when actually talking to someone in English, but I also have an accent so it makes it harder for them to understand me. And there are still so many phrases and idioms I don't understand, not to mention slang.


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#38 | Back to Top12-14-2006 09:07:11 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Slang and idioms don't translate between languages so you have to learn them within the context of their language which makes them difficult. And writing is always easier than talking because you can go back and fix your mistakes. At least, I've certainly found that to be the case with my Spanish.


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#39 | Back to Top12-14-2006 10:08:00 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

I might as well jump on in. Hong Kong Chinese, lived in Japan for 3 years, now living in Texas. XD. Incidentally, A Day Without Me's post interested me, because I am an ex-officer in the military. school-devil

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#40 | Back to Top12-14-2006 10:27:36 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Ger, that is cool. Very cool. I loved Japan when I visited it, though I don't know if I'd want to live there.


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#41 | Back to Top12-15-2006 03:04:49 AM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Ger wrote:

I might as well jump on in. Hong Kong Chinese, lived in Japan for 3 years, now living in Texas. XD. Incidentally, A Day Without Me's post interested me, because I am an ex-officer in the military. school-devil

I'm Shanghainese living in Texas~ But I'm more than likely a horrible representation of either of the two.


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#42 | Back to Top12-15-2006 08:33:25 AM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

ShatteredMirror wrote:

Ger, that is cool. Very cool. I loved Japan when I visited it, though I don't know if I'd want to live there.

I loved living there, though I don't know if I'd want to live in Tokyo again. I lived there for 2 years then moved up north to this tiny hick town in the northernmost prefecture of Aomori. Everyone in Tokyo told me I'd hate it, and I absolutely loved it. XD Tokyo is just too...urban for me to stand for long periods of time. If that makes any sense. Maybe I'm not enough of a people person.

allegoriest wrote:

Ger wrote:

I might as well jump on in. Hong Kong Chinese, lived in Japan for 3 years, now living in Texas. XD. Incidentally, A Day Without Me's post interested me, because I am an ex-officer in the military. school-devil

I'm Shanghainese living in Texas~ But I'm more than likely a horrible representation of either of the two.

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#43 | Back to Top12-15-2006 01:06:47 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Chiming in to say Caucasian female (euro-mutt, mostly Ukrainian and Prussian), 24, bi, and currently struggling barely above the poverty line. I only speak English, though I am learning Japanese, and I am neither well-traveled nor terribly literate, although I'm aspiring to both.

I'm glad everyone likes it here. I like it here too, and to be honest, both Gio and I were worrying about what kind of people we would have-- so many anime forums are just filled with genki baka omg animu ^____________________^ hai hai fans. I am so wonderfully, fantastically surprised and delighted that we have such a gorgeous crowd of people here-- people who think, discuss, and handle controversial topics in a mature manner, accepting people who seem more than willing to be honest and genuine in the things they talk about-- that I can't wait to check the forum whenever I get the chance. etc-love Thanks, guys. etc-love


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#44 | Back to Top12-15-2006 01:25:55 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Yasha wrote:

people who think, discuss, and handle controversial topics in a mature manner, accepting people who seem more than willing to be honest and genuine in the things they talk about-- that I can't wait to check the forum whenever I get the chance. etc-love Thanks, guys. etc-love

That's right - we rock.  We so rock the casbah.

Though what rocks even more is that we have such a magnificent place to go and discuss all the various things we do.  My hat's off to both you gorgeous gals.  *bows*


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#45 | Back to Top12-15-2006 01:37:04 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Aie.  I'm olllllld.  As in, 38.  White, almost entirely Irish-American, middle-class, and I'm a great big dyke.  My Kinsey's pegged all the way over there.  Yeah, there, only further. 

Native to the state of Delaware, currently living a modern Boston Marriage with a younger woman and a trio of feline overlords.  I only speak English, though I can passably read Spanish if there's a dictionary close to hand, and was once passable in Klingon.

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#46 | Back to Top12-15-2006 03:40:12 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Klingon? Nice, you're a true geek. emot-keke


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#47 | Back to Top12-15-2006 10:57:25 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Ger wrote:

I might as well jump on in. Hong Kong Chinese, lived in Japan for 3 years, now living in Texas. XD. Incidentally, A Day Without Me's post interested me, because I am an ex-officer in the military. school-devil

Sweet! emot-keke

Ger wrote:

I loved living there, though I don't know if I'd want to live in Tokyo again. I lived there for 2 years then moved up north to this tiny hick town in the northernmost prefecture of Aomori.

Dude, Aomori makes the best rice-derived alcohol! Everyone says it tastes like lighter fluid, and it does, but it is AMAZING lighter fluid!

Yasha wrote:

I'm glad everyone likes it here. I like it here too, and to be honest, both Gio and I were worrying about what kind of people we would have-- so many anime forums are just filled with genki baka omg animu ^____________________^ hai hai fans. I am so wonderfully, fantastically surprised and delighted that we have such a gorgeous crowd of people here-- people who think, discuss, and handle controversial topics in a mature manner, accepting people who seem more than willing to be honest and genuine in the things they talk about-- that I can't wait to check the forum whenever I get the chance. etc-love Thanks, guys. etc-love

Eh, I am capable of disintegrating into that kind of fan, but usually only when exposed to way too cute for it's own good shounen-ai ^.^;

tohubohu wrote:

Native to the state of Delaware, currently living a modern Boston Marriage with a younger woman and a trio of feline overlords.

I would just like to take this moment to brag about the fact that my home state boasts being the creator of TWO descriptive phrases for relationships... thank you, Massachusetts - you have served this country well.

(the other one I am referring to is, of course, a Massachusetts Marriage, or Massachusetts Wedding, which, at least in my experience, is used colloquially in the United States to refer to gay marriages)

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#48 | Back to Top12-15-2006 11:06:56 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

well, I'm African American and Caucasian, bisexual, middle class, agnostic and I live in Ca.


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#49 | Back to Top12-15-2006 11:24:49 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Oo, religion now!

I don't have any religion, I guess I just lost it a few years back. I wouldn't term myself an atheist or an agnostic, though - I just... don't have any particular beliefs except that a higher power, if in existence, is closer to what the Greeks thought the gods were like than what Western religions seem to think god is like. Oh, and that evolution happened emot-biggrin

But I would call myself religion neutral before anything else.


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#50 | Back to Top12-15-2006 11:36:56 PM

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Re: "Broad spectrum?"

Eighteen-year-old, upper-middle-class American mutt (English/German/French/Irish/Norwegian from mother's side, Russian/Japanese from father's).  For orientation we'll go with asexual, and there exists just as much ambivalence towards religion.

I'm also very pleased with the maturity and tolerance on this board.  We've amassed quite a crowd!

Oh, and Razara -- I entered the Utena fandom and cosplay community at 14 (running a domain and all -- what was I thinking?), so I'm familiar with that unpleasant age-filter -- though I'll reassure you that you are far from needing one, and I don't think anyone has cause to place one upon you.  You're excellent.

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