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#1 | Back to Top10-27-2009 03:31:51 PM

Xu Yuan
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Mikage vs. Akio, who did more harm? (Lengthy?)

Here's a concept I've never seen properly explored as of yet (of course I may have just missed it...) but it's in regards to the damage that Mikage had done, and the seperate damage that Akio had done to the Duelists, from Utena to Mikage himself. I will try to explain why I think Akio may have been a Good influence on the Duelists, and why Mikage was a malevolent force to them that only encouraged dark behaviors. We know where the story begins, Mikage had to sacrifice 100 duelists, to make his "eternity" work, at least by the demands of End of the World. This is inherently blood stained from the start, not a good set up to try and "help" others, with his seminars.

             Thus we now come to the seminars, I really have to wonder who else was in the Black Rose Circle, and what were their daily activities? Considering that he's called a genuis I would guess a crash course in science and math, also the casual blackmail of college professors. Though according to him, what he tells to Utena, is that he looks for people of "special" quality, I really have to wonder who attends his ordinary seminars... in any case, I am slightly veering from the subject. We know aside from him he has an assistant who looks an awful lot like Tokiko, and those are the only people (bar Anthy or imaginary Mamiya) that are regulars there, to our knowledge.

              Mikage's goal is Fully selfish, there is no doubt to that, he justifies it in saying that it's for Mamiya but it's only for himself, he wants to win back Tokiko, somewhere in the deep recesses of his mind he knows this. By the time he appears actively on the scene (debatable if he was even there beforehand) his mind has devolved slightly, his memories are falsified and "sugar coated", forgetting that which pains him most (just as Utena had with her "memories"). His goal was first and foremost to grasp eternity, for Mamiya, thus for Tokiko, and in the end for himself.

             Now let us start with his "patients" as he drives them into despair and makes them able to fight by revealing their "true" nature, (the raging beast we all hold deep within ourselves, made of nothing but despair and aimless rage, with only deluded fantasies of "what should be", rather then "what is") this method is done by poisoning or watching a heart and mind being poisoned until it turns Black (I am surprised no one had brought up the fact that Kanae's rose was Black to begin with, does this mean she was much closer to the edge than she appeared to be?) Kanae is the first of Mikage's pawns, she is just an experiment, a hypothesis to see if the method has any worth. While it did create a "makeshift duelist", it did nothing for Kanae herself. Afterwards she was as clueless and fragile as she had been before the duel. Her growth from the experience is 100% negligible.

             Anthy, to engage in the next set of True trials, suggested the "dark Soul Sword" strategy. Even making an odd mention that Mikage has the skill to bring out latent abilities within young people. Thus the games take a darker turn, from either an estranged love one, or billowing jealousy, or sometimes a combination of both, Mikage rips the Soul Swords from their owners, and uses them to duel Utena. The next "patient" of his is Kozue, Miki's all too fragile and love starved sister, while he doesn't directly involve himself in this directly Anthy/Mamiya certainly does. She knows the pull she already has on Miki's heart, and how easily it can twist Kozue even further into darkness.

            What is Very interesting about this, he knows how to draw Soul Swords, as from this exchange when Kozue is to rip the Soul Sword from Miki, he explains to her that he taught her how to draw the sword, yet to our knowledge doesn't use a Soul Sword, even though his weapon is fully unique. Though we'll talk about that later.

           Someone pointed out that Kozue's elevator ride wasn't very long because she was already close to the bottom to begin with. Whether by virtue of time, or Anthy's continual interference she would have been driven over the edge eventually. (Mayhaps culminating in her actions in the Akio Arc?) What the Black Rose allows Kozue to do is not hide anything, such is with most recipients of the Black Rose. She need not pretend she can't play piano, as with many things in Kozue's personality, it's meant to annoy Miki, perhaps shame her even more in his mind. Though she shows here that she never lost the ability to play piano, as the dark urgings churn within from the Black Rose's influence, Miki's rejection allows her to draw his Soul Sword, as his rejection was the final step needed to bring her to drawing it forth in Mikage's first Soul Sword experiment.

          It is a complete and utter failure. Kozue's power with Miki's Soul Sword was nothing compared to Utena's Dios Rush. This whole ordeal must have affected Miki fully adversely, his family was being driven into the dueling game, and not to mention Kozue's affection towards him after all these years, still appeared to be as strong as ever, this must have set off a few nerves, but it's nothing that wouldn't have happened eventually. Though I'm certain what would have affected him most is the haunting vision of his sister once again playing the song they had written in the Sunlit Garden. While he does try to comfort her and show a slight bit more of affection, it seems they both try their best to forget the whole thing ever happened. (Miki stops asking her questions after he asks about the Black Rose Crest Ring.) Though he apparently recounts the experience to the student council, because he sees this as a real threat (as he should).

         If Mikage accomplishes Anything, it's burying dark feelings even deeper in the heart. In this case he was able to subvert Kozue's longing for her brother and even managed to seemingly place her back on a path of "innocence" (if the Milkshakes do indeed symbolize innocence of course). Though as we know this doesn't last very long by any measure.

         Next we move onto Shiori, who is played straight like a fiddle from the moment she reappears at Ohtori Academy. Something needed to break through the "Noble Rose" and there was only one thing which would accomplish that. Anthy knew that was Shiori, and thus so did "Mamiya". This whole exchange has been put much better than I ever could hope to do in a myriad of essays regarding Juri and Shiori, (and because of my relative ignorance on the subject) I won't go into much detail here. What is interesting about this now is that Mikage now directly interferes to make his pawns play the way he wants them, which is something he hadn't done until that point. Shiori rips Juri's Soul Sword from her. One Very interesting note about Shiori.... She does Not have a Black Rose when she draws Juri's Soul Sword, nor are her eyes dilated like Kozue and Kanae's. She is Fully aware of her actions and draws pleasure from the pain of her "best friend". This would have hurt Juri... well... a lot, to say the least. The damage it must have done would have been next to irreperable. Miki knows that Kozue was not conscious, or at least not in a right state of mind, but there was no doubt that Shiori was aware and enjoying ripping the Soul Sword from Juri.

           Another duel is fought and another Soul Sword shattered, Anthy says at the end of the episode "it was pointless". Nothing had changed. Mikage had accomplished a lot more malevolence with that. He even says that they could make use of the "parasite's poison" again. Of all the Duelists I think he must have dealt the most emotional injury to Juri.

        Tsuwabuki is... an odd case, by any stretch of the word... what he shows most is that anyone, no matter how insignificant can be drawn into Mikage's game. His whole segment revolves around immaturity and impatience of being a child. It's a very believable and powerful part, as it shows a descent of innocence into innocent destruction. Some say there is nothing more "dangerous" then a "child's innocence with ignorance". In other words, not knowing what the meanings of Right and Wrong are. This episode displays that concept very well. Once again Mikage directly interferes, even if it is just slightly. All he really does is remind Tsuwabuki that the Mikage Seminar exists, also as Nanami is "being asked to join", going there might offer something of note for him. What he does find there is a deep urging to "wreck the world!" It is a frightening thought, but too uncommon in children to wish to destroy everything around them and start anew, in their heart of hearts. Mikage sends a message to Nanami by using Tsuwabuki, which was really "no one is safe". Like Kozue and Kanae his eyes are shaded over, and I believe he too has a Black Rose when he rips Nanami's Soul Swords from her.

       In youthful folly, Mikage is able to convince Tsuwabuki that he can become an adult, if he defeats adults and claims their experiences for himself. (...did Mikage play a bit too many RPG's to fill Tsuwabuki's mind with that?) Another failure in any respect. Though what is Unique about this experience is that Nanami respects Tsuwabuki a slight bit more, and Tsuwabuki seems as if he's on the proper track of maturity. This is the Only time where Mikage's Seminar actually succeeded in helping the afflicted, rather then bury the problem, or not do anything at all.

      What is most tragic about Mikage's machinations is his ability to destroy healthy and blossoming relationships, and may deserve a bad reputation for that. Mikage completely shatters Saionji and Wakaba's relationship all for his game. I think it's rather telling to see that Wakaba was the only one that had a hold on Saionji to draw his Soul Sword in good earnest. What is sad about this is not that he manipulated them both, but that the end result, forced them both into a state of unhappiness. Saionji returned to his "deserved position", and Wakaba returned to being a "normal girl" (both illusions on their parts of course.) To reiterate, of all of Mikage's schemes this is probably the most damaging to both the Duelist and the Black Rose recipient. Notably just as everyone but Shiori, Wakaba's eyes are glazed over and does not draw any emotion from ripping his Soul Sword from him.

     Keiko is another strange case... the actions she takes here do not become readily obvious until much later in the series. Mikage plays no part in this manipulation, just as shown, it would have eventually lead her to this road by any means, Black Rose or no. Keiko also is plainly aware of her actions when she draws Touga's Soul Sword. Like Shiori she seems to draw some pleasure from it, but rather then cruel and evil, it seems to be bliss. (though I really must ask... unless Touga had some sort of longing or any sort of feelings for Keiko herself, how was she able to draw his Soul Sword?)

         Keiko is a unique Duelist, she has a few unique moves of her own in her duel, and she loses the duel because of Lack of Confidence. She realizes that Nanami is what stands between her and Touga, Not Utena or the Rose Bride. Other cases of failures due to loss of confidence are Miki's duels, Juri's second duel and of course...

          Mikage is by far Mikage's worst enemy. He saw from the start that there would have been no way to defeat Utena in combat, I wonder, did he realize his world would have crumbled around him if he were to fight the girl so alike to him (and Tokiko)? His false memories and warped motive doomed him from before the duel began. Of course in a way he had dueled Utena six times thus far and lost each time, by sending out tools used from the Black Rose and student council. I believe that he used the pictures of the Black Rose Duelists in a way to show to Utena that he was the leader of the Black Rose Duelists (to clear up any misconceptions?) and over estimating his abilities as a puppet master. Utena will have none of his talk, despite it being completely on mark (despite him being half out of his mind). And she challenges him to a duel. The only time in the series that the Engaged challenges someone to a duel. Of course her reasoning is just as selfish as half-mad Mikage by this point. She cares nothing of winning or losing, she just wants to prove she is nothing like him (and intends to do that by beating him in a duel?)

          Mikage takes his own elevator and imagines his councillor as Mamiya, and sees nothing wrong with that. Then there is the question of his sword... in a way I'd say the swords are in a way symbolic of the character that possesses them. Mikage's sword has a large hand guard, a cloister in a way that protects his hand fully. Is the symbolism in this "living in a shell"? One other thing about Mikage is that he's probably the best Duelist in the show. He can predict all of Utena's moves and sees through her "Backflip, Blessed Sword, Dios Rush" set-up. No other character sees through this. Even Akio himself is taken aback with the backflip.  Mikage would have won had he kept charging her as she did the backflip, but at that moment, either from Anthy's favoritism or Mikage's mind literally breaking down on the cusp of victory (which he may have seen as a possibility earlier as to why he couldn't succeed). Mikage's full memories are restored and he falls prey to Utena's Dios Rush. He is set free from Ohtori, and is allowed to finally grow up. Of all of the Black Rose Duelists, only Tsuwabuki and Mikage (at least some people think) had learned something from their experiences, and came out better for it.


Wow this post turned out to be rather long... I will post the pros and cons of Akio's influence in my next post.


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#2 | Back to Top10-30-2009 07:01:41 PM

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Re: Mikage vs. Akio, who did more harm? (Lengthy?)

It always seemed to me that everything Mikage did was at the behest of Akio. Even the mass-murder was originally Akio's suggestion although no one was forcing Mikage to do it.

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#3 | Back to Top11-08-2009 08:05:41 PM

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Re: Mikage vs. Akio, who did more harm? (Lengthy?)

Xu Yuan wrote:

Here's a concept I've never seen properly explored as of yet (of course I may have just missed it...) but it's in regards to the damage that Mikage had done, and the seperate damage that Akio had done to the Duelists, from Utena to Mikage himself. I will try to explain why I think Akio may have been a Good influence on the Duelists, and why Mikage was a malevolent force to them that only encouraged dark behaviors. We know where the story begins, Mikage had to sacrifice 100 duelists, to make his "eternity" work, at least by the demands of End of the World. This is inherently blood stained from the start, not a good set up to try and "help" others, with his seminars.

... Now let us start with his "patients" as he drives them into despair and makes them able to fight by revealing their "true" nature, (the raging beast we all hold deep within ourselves, made of nothing but despair and aimless rage, with only deluded fantasies of "what should be", rather then "what is") this method is done by poisoning or watching a heart and mind being poisoned until it turns Black.

I agree with your description of Mikage's methods, but I don't agree with how you characterize the results.  I think Mikage -- perfectly accidentally -- does nearly as much good as harm with his manipulations.

I've noticed before that Mikage mostly takes advantage of people's fear, while Akio mostly preys instead on their hope.  What's more, Mikage, even more than Akio, delights in exploiting the sides of people that they deny or are ashamed of.  It's for this reason, I think, that Mikage's manipulation appears more hurtful on its face.  It's more blatant, more overtly traumatic, to wrench a forbidden desire out of a person than to inculcate one within them.  So it's easy to watch the two at work -- Mikage in his dark elevator, Akio on his velvet sofa -- and conclude that Mikage is doing more harm.

But that's not how it ends up, is it?  Mikage, after all, doesn't create any trauma.  He just finds the trauma already inside his duelists, bottled up and ready to explode, and pops the cork.  After the duel, after the crisis, the pressure of that trauma is diminished or gone.  Tsuwabuki seems to be entirely reconciled in his relationships.  Keiko happily rejoins Nanami's clique, yet has the confidence to hit on Touga during the Akio Arc.  Wakaba actively asserts her right to be a special person during the Akio Arc, with little success but a lot of spirit!  Among the others, at least no harm is done, and a tension that had been concealed is now in the open: Miki hears Kozue, Juri hears Shiori.  Even if those relationships don't change on the surface, it seems likely that somewhere underneath, where the rash honesty of today is synthesized into the sensitivity of tomorrow, something may have been jolted into motion.  Mikage, unlike Akio, is not an agent of inertia.

The most overtly mean thing Mikage does, the closest he comes to creating a new trauma rather than exploiting (and hence defanging) an old one, is to take the hairpin Saionji meant for Wakaba and give it to Anthy.  Even here, though, Mikage only hastens an existing tension in its slow path to its natural conclusion.  There was never a chance that Saionji and Wakaba would get together.  For all his affection for Wakaba, Saionji was set on Anthy, Touga, and status.  Even without Mikage's intervention, Saionji would have found a way back to Ohtori -- or, worse, would have given up and taken Wakaba as consolation prize.  Saionji needs to grow through his current relationships before he can start new ones, and as subsequent events show, so does Wakaba.  Their separation, along with Saionji's return to Ohtori, makes that possible.  So in his apparent moment of greatest cruelty, Mikage in fact acted as a potent healer.

None of this is to excuse Mikage's character.  He's acting only to advance himself, or possibly himself and Mamiya; he gives no thought to his victims.  But his methods, which are not unlike those of psychoanalysis, have the actual if unintended effect of ripping off a Band-Aid so that real healing can begin.

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#4 | Back to Top11-09-2009 04:03:58 AM

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Re: Mikage vs. Akio, who did more harm? (Lengthy?)

Interesting  topic, I have a question. In a duel between the two who would (for lack of a better term) win?


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#5 | Back to Top11-09-2009 09:09:42 AM

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Re: Mikage vs. Akio, who did more harm? (Lengthy?)

satyreyes wrote:

Even if those relationships don't change on the surface, it seems likely that somewhere underneath, where the rash honesty of today is synthesized into the sensitivity of tomorrow, something may have been jolted into motion.  Mikage, unlike Akio, is not an agent of inertia.


...So in his apparent moment of greatest cruelty, Mikage in fact acted as a potent healer.

None of this is to excuse Mikage's character.  He's acting only to advance himself, or possibly himself and Mamiya; he gives no thought to his victims.  But his methods, which are not unlike those of psychoanalysis, have the actual if unintended effect of ripping off a Band-Aid so that real healing can begin.

I disagree with this in almost every possible way. Wakaba is the only person I think a case can be made for having unintended positive results, but even that is up for debate. 

Kozue remains fairly static, her particular problem does not advance or regress, but you can't really say the rift between Miki and Kozue begins healing due to any of his meddling. Things between Miki and Kozue are still bad as of Miki's second duel when Kozue spits that he is a coward. Whatever resolution the two of them come to seems to take place largely off-screen after the Duel Named Revolution.

Little good comes in the way of messing with Mitsuru, either. You can't "heal" the desire to grow up, to feel powerless in the face of the adult world. This isn't a trauma that requires healing, or something you might define as unhealthy like Wakaba's infatuation with Saionji. We never actually see him grow in any means forward from this moment. He's still serving Nanami right up to the point where Akio takes Nanami during her spat with Touga.

Giving Juri's discarded locket to Shiori does nothing to help the healing process. Juri had finally, FINALLY taken that first step of her own accord and Mikage's actions not only guaranteed she'd be worse off, it also put Shiori in the position to be thoroughly used by Ruka. There's no healing here, not even as an unintended effect. Both of these characters are worse off than they were prior to his intervention in their lives and continue to be this way for some time after.

Keiko's situation goes from bad to worse: she goes from questioning her loyalty to Nanami, to utter social destruction, and finally groveling to be back at Nanami's feet. This situation isn't rectified until later in the series when Akio and Touga both mess with Nanami. Keiko already had the courage to go after Touga in her episode, which she in fact DID do; she didn't require Mikage's manipulations to gain it.

And KANAE? How on Earth did Kanae's situation begin healing? She goes from actively fearing Anthy and being engaged to the devil himself to apparently squelching her fear of Anthy even further inside and becoming Akio's rag doll.


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#6 | Back to Top11-09-2009 11:18:27 AM

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Re: Mikage vs. Akio, who did more harm? (Lengthy?)

I guess it's a matter of perspective and differing definitions of growth.  Beginning with Kozue and Shiori, the characters I called out originally as not visibly becoming better-adjusted... I think you're right that Kozue apparently stays about the same and Shiori gets worse, yet in the third arc neither is acting the same as they were in the first.  Would Kozue have called Miki a coward in the first arc?  She's less passive-aggressive now, more brutal, which while painful will bring their relationship closer to closure, one way or another.  As for Shiori... yeah, apart from some additional secrets being on the table I don't really see any change in that dysfunctional relationship if not for Ruka, Utena, and small miracles combining forces to make it happen.  I still can't help intuitively suspecting that seeing the inside of the locket changed her, but I can't point to any textual evidence of that.  Maybe someone who's followed her development arc more closely can help?  So for now I'll concede Shiori, and I'll also concede Kanae, who goes from bad to awful and never gets any kind of closure.  In Mikage's defense on Kanae, it should be noted that there was no conceivable way she was going to have a happy resolution, given Akio and Anthy's personal involvement.  Possibly her surrender in later episodes is the best outcome that could be realistically hoped for.  (You can't expect Mikage's occasional and purely accidental healing powers to compete with Akio's calculated enslavement.)

I stand by what I said about Tsuwabuki and Keiko, though.  Growth does not always mean abandoning problematic relationships; sometimes it means redefining them.  Tsuwabuki's friendship with Nanami is bizarre and asymmetrical (though it has to be said that it seems slightly more reciprocal than before), but both seem quite happy.  I don't see that he still wants to grow up faster with "wreck the world" intensity, and as far as I can tell he's cured of his sexual tension with Nanami.  The shit that brought him into Mikage's elevator has been put behind him; that's growth.  And by the end of the series he is taking over Miki's duties as secretary, growing up slowly in his own way.

Keiko, likewise, comes back into Nanami's fold after her duel.  It would have been nice to see her go rogue; that would definitely have shown dramatic growth.  But that's asking a little too much, and I'll be content with small growth.  She falls back in with Nanami because that clique is where her friends are, and she stops visibly chafing; she's better-adjusted.  She hasn't forgotten about Touga, either.  Remember how in her Black Rose episode she had to screw up her courage just to share an umbrella with Touga -- such a difficult experience that the umbrella actually became the symbol of her inner conflict that appeared on the duel desks -- and she was aghast when Nanami discovered her.  By the Akio Arc, she's chatting merrily with Touga in the greenhouse, and when Nanami bawls her out Keiko stands up for herself and gets the better of Nanami with evident relish.  (Granted, Nanami is dealing with her own issues at the time.)  Not everything is better, but the relationship has changed, however subtly.  Keiko knows who she's loyal to first: Touga, not Nanami.

So I guess I'll moderate my original claim.  It's not that Mikage always ends up beginning the healing process; but sometimes he does, and he never makes things dramatically worse than they were to begin with.  Contrast Akio, who is quite a different essay.  emot-smile

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#7 | Back to Top11-09-2009 06:35:21 PM

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Re: Mikage vs. Akio, who did more harm? (Lengthy?)

satyreyes wrote:

I've noticed before that Mikage mostly takes advantage of people's fear, while Akio mostly preys instead on their hope.

I think this is ultimately what it boils down to, and that makes it very much the perception of the viewer which is worse. Would you rather have your fears or your hopes used against you? Would you rather fall into a pit of snakes when you're severely phobic or would you rather have the promise of a promotion you'll never get dangled before you?

Personally, I think hope is the more dangerous thing, but it's also the most powerful one. With hope you can hold on. Think of it this way. Akio's manipulations drive people to, in full lucidity, viciously attack one another in the hopeless pursuit of a vaguely described reward. Mikage, because he uses fear, pushes people to a breaking point past true lucidity--these duelists are in a trance, a mania that directs outward an uncontrollable manifestation of something dark inside them. The black rose? 'The path before you has been prepared.'? That's Mikage saying 'give in', and they do. They lose something of themselves, a total abandonment of rationality that has to take place to sustain the fear driven fury.

Mikage parrots a line Akio tells him, and in the same sense, Akio was telling him 'give in'. Nemuro did exactly that and in the same blind mania burned a building and forgot he even did so. But this is unusual for Akio--no one else gets that message from him. It's rather the opposite. Akio sets the stage but the illusion (as he'd see it) of free will is imperative. The game he plays with the pawns he chooses requires they think, interact, process and understand. Something beyond the fear-driven mania Mikage uses. Akio needs his pawns to stay sane, and hope allows for that. It allows for patience, in waiting for the change, the salvation, that someone without hope has no conception of. Saionji fights with the full awareness of a hope that it will better things and save him. Wakaba is saved in this way, but did she expect it at the time, or hope for it?

The appeal of Mikage's approach is you invariably hit bottom. And then you either climb out or you don't. Akio keeps people spinning their wheels (ha), and they never get to hit bottom. Instead they're trapped in a limbo they don't escape without getting away from him.

That is the other appeal for Mikage. He throws his pawns aside once their not immediately useful. Akio recycles.


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#8 | Back to Top11-09-2009 07:30:58 PM

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Re: Mikage vs. Akio, who did more harm? (Lengthy?)

Another thing to keep in mind is Akio and Mikage's motives.  Mikage was cruel and selfish, and so was Akio, but at least Mikage had some sort of desire, no matter how twisted or desperate it was.  The black rose duels were a means to an end.  Akio does what he does with no real concrete goal in mind, or at least if there is one he himself doesn't really believe he will achieve it and enjoys the suffering he causes in the process.  Still, this has more to do with Akio= bigger jerk and not necessarily Akio= more harmful. 

What makes Akio perhaps the more harmful is that he's the manipulator behind Mikage.  Just because he didn't get his hands dirty doesn't mean the Nemuro Hall fire wasn't a part of his plan.  In fact, Akio is partially responsible for all of the crap Mikage does, because he intended it to happen and set into motion the events that instigated it.

Helping create a person like Mikage so easily and without remorse makes Akio the most harmful in my book.

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