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#1 | Back to Top10-21-2007 01:25:14 AM

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Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

I finally understood the main meaning and message of Ikuni in SKU, and I must say he did a good awesome job! He is a genius! n_n

Before I say goodbye to the forum, I’d thought I’d share it as well, what I learned about the message. Ikuni might also have a reason why he’s not sharing what he meant in SKU, cause finding it on your own makes it more appealing to yourself, right?

“..The answer is always simple, people just make things complicated..”

After watching the 3 episodes for the 4th time, I cannot believe how silly I am to have overlook at it’s simple meanings.. Yep, it all fits to the bar!

Ok, let’s start! (Others I won’t mention since they’re quite obvious)

Episode 37

Akio: Didn’t you sleep well?
Utena: Eh..?
Akio: I can see it in your face.. Something bothering you?
*Chu-Chu Making Sandwich*
Utena: Sorta.. But it’s not something I can really talk about with anyone. Everyone has a secret they have to keep, right?
Akio: Yes. Btw, you’re not wearing your ring today.
Utena: Look.. If you got time..
Akio: Hmm?
*Anthy raises the bread Chu is making, and Chu-Chu falls down*
Utena: If you got time today after school.. Can you and I hang out togeth..
Anthy: Forgive me! This isn’t mine, it’s yours, isn’t it?

~Anthy, as usual, passes her message in a non-obvious way.. She knew Utena and Akio has been kind of ‘intimate’, but she and her brother were doing something in the shadows as well.. It’s kind of self-explanatory.. It’s her message to Utena.

Her reaction “Ooh-Ooh” (Kinda like ‘Chu-Chu’), puzzles me.

Finally, we see Touga and Saionji riding a bike, in this conversation, they mentioned Utena already knows who her prince is… (Not exactly who ‘End-of-the-World’ is, so we see Utena have a bit of expression in the next episode when her prince is but one)  That is why she took out her ring as well.

*After Utena and Akio date*
Anthy: In the end, girls are all like the Rose Brides

~ I believe, this refers to Japanese women.. The title did say “Revolutionary Girl” Utena (As Ikuni stated somewhere) is an anime where a girl acting all princely gets to do what she wants (like slaps Touga’s hand when he touched her hair) unlike all doormat girls in Japan. They have no right, even today, to do what they want, but merely obey who they are engaged to. The anime gained many female fans there as it is but of hope and fantasy of being as free as Utena…

Anthy: I think my brother loves you as well.. Ms. Utena, I wish we could all stay like this forever

Utena wrecks the letter infront of Anthy.. It’s like, “How can you say that!?”
A triangle, really… Fooling themselves they will be close… Anthy, as heartless and calm as she always is.. Kind of self-explanatory as well (sorry, so far you get my message, just having problems explaining it.. XD )

Jury: Come to think of it.. Even if I am a member of the student council.. All I ever think about is myself.. And I’m still thinking about myself even now..

You see, all the duelist (or even the students of Ohtori) all have desires as to why they want to reach the castle up in the sky… Some want to go to their fantasy world, some wants to be free of a precious/evil memory, some wants to change reality and the likes.

First of, why do you guys think Ikuni used ‘coffins’ instead of ‘dungeons’, ‘prison’, ‘jail’, etc.? We see in the later part, when Anthy wanted to jump off the building Utena said sorry as well, all she did was playing prince, and not really there for Anthy even if they promised each other to help one another, Utena was just really helping herself.

Coffins, as the dead Akio said in the movie, stay in Ohtori and continue living like a ‘living-corpse’, in other words, it’s like we are dead. If I put it more on reality level, let me use myself as an example… In my life, I always adored helping other people, it’s my little subconscious way of saying ‘I’m a hero’ to myself… Yes, that is what is meant as self-importance.. I wasn’t doing it 100% because I wanted to help… Living like a living corpse, after watching Utena, I wanted to be just like Utena (and I think some of us here too) we love her, her nobleness and all hero type… We see in RPGs, novels or animes that heroes are adored and loved, don’t we? Sadly, after the first run, all I did was have imagination of being Utena-like, and having a wish of dancing with someone under the stars (what I have posted before in wishes thread here and say how I envy them) I have zoned so much into my desires, that even living into this world, all I did was day dream… I asked myself, why am I being so quiet in a corner or I’m not at all with the crowd I am in? I may be there, but my heart and mind is somewhere else.. It’s like I am a ‘living corpse’ who is living in this world, in here but not doing anything human-like really… I have been stuck in the fantasy very much.
(I hope I explained it well T__T )

Anyway, as we continue, we see Nanami saying she quit the student council and Utena’s been tricked by Anthy and Akio all this time and how dense she is…

I have no idea why Kozue and Shiori appeared when Jury and Miki were making jokes on turning Utena into their love interest… Maybe it something that constraints them? I am not sure.. emot-tongue
Then, after Nanami said “You people are idiots”, they all suddenly vanish, leaving Utena alone.. Which I can’t also figure out the meaning what…

Shadow Girls! wrote:

A-Shadow: There’s only one future for me, I’m going to be an actress!! (Probably Utena wanting to be a prince)
B-Shadow: And like that, you land a role in the movie, get thrust into the limelight get caught in a flashy scandal and end up with all the magazines talking about you! (Self-explanatory)

B-Shadow: In other words, you just wanted a taste of what life is like! (Being a Prince)
A-Shadow: EXACTLY!!
B-Shadow: I saw an application on your desk, are you gonna go for an audition? (Will you be going to Ohtori?)
A-Shadow: But, just a girl from drama club, they’ll just laugh at me...
B-Shadow: I wont laugh at you… (Dios giving hope to Utena… Prologue)
A-Shadow: Really? So we really are… True friends!

Then we see the ‘EXTRA’ shouting girl, put a hat on and suddenly having a manly voice (Akio)
B-Shadow: By the way, did you know that only one girl can be chosen in the audition? (It’s either Himemiya or Tenjou, we see in the end how Akio said Utena will be his princess, but after a sword pierced through her, turns towards Anthy)

*Akio and Anthy driving*
Akio: In pain, Anthy? Well I’m not the one who causes it. The world does!

~I come to conclude “The WORLD” is reality… Reality causes Anthy pain… Akio turned to ‘End-Of-The-World’, ending reality, thus he created the fantasy world for everyone else in Ohtori who ‘The World’ hurts.

‘World Revolution’ ~ Another word for revolution is rebellion, so by reaching up the flying imaginary castle in the sky, Akio provided hope for everyone that they can rebel against the world, against reality…

And of course, we see Anthy and Utena talking about what they will do in the future. I find it funny how each joke about poison in the biscuit and tea, it’s like telling each other they kind of put a bit poison on one another so far. (And we see that rose rotating in the screen) And they both say it’s delicious, the tea and the cookie, haha.

We also see the rose rotating in the screen again, that after 10 years, they’re not there anymore… emot-smile Hurray!

Before Anthy jumped forward, we see her standing on the edge of the building, nothing just reminds me of her also standing in the rose garden in the movie… In the edge (she asked Utena there if Utena was afraid standing in such a corner), it may be a sign of her giving up… When you're in darkness and a bit of light shines at you, you’re torn apart by two sides… One side of you is telling you to move forward, the other side is telling you to break down and cry.

We see Touga and Saionji asking Utena why continue? When Touga spoke of Anthy’s name, we see his eyes became of dull color… We all see in previous episodes that he had admitted his love for Utena… No, I’m not saying UtenaxAnthy here, I do believe they are friends, but somehow stronger than that… We saw how it was that when Akio spoke of him and Utena being a prince and princess in the castle in the next episode, Utena is somehow hesitating, meaning the yuri is mostly in the movie, and they both are attracted to Akio.

“Those who believes in true friendship is a fool” Touga stated. We did see Anthy stabbed Utena in the next episode, her sign of betrayal… It was because of her love for Akio, still.

We all would probably trade all our cards, and maybe to the extent of betraying friendship, for our love ones, correct? So, we can’t really blame Anthy for that.

EDIT: Typos! emot-gonk

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#2 | Back to Top10-21-2007 01:25:57 AM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Episode 38
Whew! Ok, now, for one of the better realizations I had!

Let’s start! (Others I won’t mention since they’re quite obvious)

After Zettai Unmei Mokushiroku music, we see the world, and a prince above it… Symbolism… n_~

When Akio asked what have Utena has been dreaming about as he was dreaming about the castle up in the sky, he declared that he was prince and Utena was the princess… If Utena was the princess, then Anthy cannot be the princess, thus she vanishes in Utena’s side and she will forever be the rose bride.

*I’m not sure about this one but I think the sword he drew from Utena represents Utena’s noble heart… Each sword represents the strength of each duelist, I think.. n_~

We see in Utena’s flashback of Anthy wanting to totally lose all hope… But nevertheless, Utena pulls her over. I think I explained this event earlier.. n_n

Well, just for the little extra, even though it’s self explanatory, the reason Anthy believes she is the rose bride, she has no heart to be hurt with, she was just a doll… With too much pain, you become very numb.. Like 10, 000 swords, first few swords will hurt you, but others you won’t quite feel anymore as you start to feel numb from the pain… The reason I believe so, is because I myself have gone through what Anthy feels… And it’s really miserable, even if I was raised well and was kind, the moment I felt this way, I became evil myself… I hated the world and swore to do evil against it, it was unfair to have such suffering while the world is happy… While I’m stuck here, in pure darkness…

Anthy Himemiya wrote:

The pain I feel comes with the curse of being a rose bride

You know, even if Utena was dense as hell, the mere fact she laughs and spends time with Anthy is still hell a lot of meaning, we see Anthy broke from her usual doll-like life… It’s like a story of the injured bird.

Story wrote:

Once there was a person who saw an injured bird in the streets, the person wanted to cure/help it so that person brought it home. The bird was injured by children throwing stones at it, when the person tried to fix the bird’s wing, the bird peck and attacked ruthlessly at the person because of fear of the person may cause it pain again. So all the person did was build it shelter, gave it food and water and took care of it for a while. Not too soon, the person was able to cure the bird and the bird let that person, seeing how that person has treated it, and it flew away in the sky.

So, what’s with that story? Well, it’s like this, when we try to give advice to people who we are trying to help, they may seem rude to you and angry and detest you, because, not intentionally (as the person was trying to help the bird) we are causing them more pain that way… Just be with them, show them love and laughter, and they will come to you eventually.

Going back…

Utena wrote:

No, it’s my fault! I never realized the pain you were in..
I never noticed how much you were suffering..
And despite that, I..I..
I kept acting like a noble prince who would save you!

~I will go back to this again later.. n_n
But what I can say again is, like playing hero, it was pretty much for self-ego… For your own self when you were sub-consciously trying to help someone to appear what role you want and who do you want to be… So in the end, we merely have focused on ourselves, Utena merely really focused on herself and how she’s doing at that role she sees herself in.

Utena wrote:

The truth is, my protecting you was just for my ego!

Utena wrote:

The night I saw you and Akio, I thought you had betrayed me… Even though you were suffering so much…

She was too busy with looking at her role, she never really understood Anthy at all, nor gave it a try, because it really isn’t what she was focused on.

Utena wrote:

After I have said we should help each other come what may!
I was the one who cheated on you!
I was the one who used you!
I was the one who betrayed you!

*Finishing that flashback*

Utena: I’m going to free Himemiya from you!

~Free Himemiya with her torment from Akio, yes… Akio!

From what so far I have understood from this ‘witch’, ‘ten thousand swords’ and ‘prince’
Before, I do believe Akio or Dios whatever, is still is a playboy… He has made many princesses, but didn’t want to feel committed to anyone of them or something… Dios was too pressured with all the things he had done, that Himemiya went over and said, ‘I have sealed him!’ meaning, owning Dios, Dios is hers and she to Dios… And with everyone’s hatred for her, she receives 10,000 swords for Dios, she sacrificed herself. She is a ‘WITCH’ as proclaimed by the ‘Tale of the Rose’ as well by the Shadow Girls.

“I cannot be a princess because I am your sister, so I became a WITCH!” Their incest, their love, Dios responsibilities, everything! Anthy has shouldered it all, and Akio is no longer a prince… As the movie said, the truth is, he is LORD OF FLIES! Only his sister’s magic made him prince… His sister’s love, and the likes.

Akio: Still, as I said years ago, with the passage of time… you’ve lost your pure soul and wish only to be prince.

This is my most favorite quote from all the 3 episodes, it’s what it had awaken me, and what I believe to have been my gift for my 18th birthday. You became too focused on yourself, that you think only about yourself, you become selfish, thus you lose the purity of your soul… To share, to love, to be happy, to share happiness selflessly… All of it has gone due to a person’s self-importance to himself/herself. You are really unable to help anyone, but just a feed to your ego, your ego that is in your desire, and you the ‘living corpse’ in the ‘coffin’ trapped by that desire. It doesn’t seem so cruel and yet desire seems so happy to obtain, but truth be told.. It is nothing, it is but an empty motion (as it is said in the 2nd Ending Theme of the Anime)

When they duel, you hear the song “Darkness of Sodomy, Darkness of Light, Darkness in the distance, endless endless darkness!”
~Light is hope, right? But it’s ‘darkness of light’, you succumb into your fantasy, your grave. And they duel for that belief, they fight for their fantasy/desire… The darkness of light!

This is the only reason I typed this whole finalization of the episodes 37 to 39, to share this message. As you can see, I changed my avatar as I no longer idolized Utena..
“..So impressed was she by him, she vowed to become prince herself oneday..”
I started becoming a living corpse myself, all I did was fantasized about Utena, being prince and saving the damsel in distress… Of course it’s different from us, each poster here… I wonder, as I said before, an anime won’t become dear unless you can relate to it… What really made you guys go to this forum? n_~

What makes you guys stay? You may say it’s for your friends here, that’s partially true, but this IRG forum could also symbolize Ohtori and we all in our coffin due to our desires related in this anime, eh?

Anyway, now… Instead of wanting to be ‘hero’, I just want to help people as a person, nothing of self-importance anymore… I abandon it. I hope I was able to impart the message properly, this I believe was also Ikuni’s message, lovely, isn’t it?

*Going Back*

Akio wrote:

However, for that reason you cannot save Anthy

~Being prince.. n_~

Akio wrote:

In the end, both the prince and the castle where eternity dwells are just illusions.

Akio wrote:

I shall now reveal reality to you, the End-of-The-World

Hmm, last night, I was actually thinking End-of-the-World meant ‘reality’. Hmm, I dunno why I changed it today, but I was thinking Akio’s fantasy is Dios, to be prince… Just like Utena, that is why he keeps mentioning he was just like Utena. And now, here is the reality of him, the stinkbag. (sorry about that! Lol, I just find Akio a mere playboy jerk)

*When Akio was also blaming Utena on not rejecting him when he has a finace*

Akio wrote:

Isn’t it unfair to pretend only you are noble and in the right?

Utena wrote:

That’s not true! I care about Himemiya!

Akio wrote:

That’s right! And you never even tried to understand Anthy! In the end you were too busy thinking about yourself

(What I posted above n_n )

*Everything is is quite self-explanatory from here*
Utena declaring she will be prince *again* (For Himemiya’s sake this time) destroys the statue of Dios as she has ventured far more than Dios had.

Projector in Akio’s room, projecting what one’s desire is, the whole castle is starting to collapse… Everything is collapsing… Utena wants everything to end, this illusions… End of the world is losing a bit, as reality is coming in more drastically than the fantasy world he had power on, that is why he is losing..
(I remember Saionji knowing everything was an illusion, but he still wants to continue, a mark of a grave is opened to him.. He is quite foolish)

I hated it when Akio pushed Himemiya to Utena… The coward! What prince is he to Anthy? Truly, he is just a jerk..


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#3 | Back to Top10-21-2007 01:28:06 AM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Sorry about how I ended the 2nd post, I got tired.. emot-frown
My head hurts.. I'll continue episode 39 some other time,
I'd like to do the Opening and the 2 Ending Theme later at night, it's faster..

n_n

I also abandoned my Utena AMV, as it was full of me idolizing Utena as prince.. So to crap with that.. emot-biggrin


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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Stephanie, I took the time to read through what you posted here and I have to admit, you came up with reasonings that I have not considered before but I have now, you're quite insightful emot-keke school-eng101 etc-love

You should write your ideas on Episodes 37-39 as an essay and send it to Gio or Yasha so they can post it in the essays section of Empty Movement. school-freud


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#5 | Back to Top10-21-2007 04:26:11 AM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Arigatou Ronan emot-biggrin
If you have any thoughts to add, please do..

As for contradicting and the stuff, please do so after I did episode 39, lol.. emot-rofl

I forgot to add on Episode 38:

Akio said to Utena that Anthy was the one who choose to be a witch in her own freewill, and that she enjoys being a witch.

I believe so because Anthy loves Akio so much, and it was the only way for her to be with Akio for the matter, so she learns to enjoy her darkness, her sadness, her torment.

*Next up ABSOLUTE DESTINY: APOCALYPSE!*
Explanation, that is.. emot-keke


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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Absolute Destiny: Apocalypse (Zettai Unmei Mokushiroku)

Lyrics wrote:

The Absolute Destiny: Apocalypse!
The Absolute Destiny: Apocalypse!
Birth records, Baptismal records, records of Death
The Absolute Destiny: Apocalypse!
The Absolute Destiny: Apocalypse!
My own birth, Absolute birth.
Apocalypse..

A shining place in a desert of darkness
A gold plated Shangri-La
Day and night turning back on one another
A time-plated paradise lost

The darkness of Sodomy,
The darkness of Light,
The darkness of Distance,
Endless, endless Darkness
The Absolute Destiny: Apocalypse!
The Absolute Destiny: Apocalyptic Darkness!

mokushi kushimo
shimoku kumoshi
moshiku shikumo

(A sound of a coffin opening/closing?)

mokushi kushimo
shimoku kumoshi
moshiku shikumo

[That last bit isn't supposed to mean anything. It's just the syllables in "mokushi" (apocalypse) randomly put together in different ways.

Let’s now dissect the meanings!
*Wait, I wanna listen to the damn song first! emot-rofl

Ok, so anyway, we have this song always played everytime Utena duels.
(A reason also is because of lack of capital, lol, but anyway..)

The Absolute Destiny: Apocalypse!

~ First of, what word is similar to ‘Apocalypse’? It’s ‘destruction’
So it goes, “Absolute Destiny: Destruction!”
Absolute Destiny? I think, since each of the duelist have their own roles, they put themselves in a line of destiny, where everyone has a role. So, “Absolute Destiny: Apocalypse!” Destruction to whatever they are trying to put themselves in… And remember this song is played on every duel, so destruction is their path.

Birth records, Baptismal records, records of Death

~Everytime this line appears, the viewer (us) gets splashed in water, so we are like ‘born’ into this ‘world’ of fantasy… Destructive destiny.

A shining place in a desert of darkness
A gold plated Shangri-La
Day and night turning back on one another
A time-plated paradise lost

~ Line per line… ‘A shining place in a desert of darkness’ it is like a desire in the middle of nothingness. ‘A gold plated Shangri-La’ Shangri-La means Utopia (World of Paradise). ‘Day and Night turning back on one another’ time passes by but you are not moving with time. ‘a time-plated paradise lost’ well, I explained the time, the ‘paradise lost’ is the fantasy that can never be reached, it’s lost…

The darkness of Sodomy,
The darkness of Light,
The darkness of Distance,
Endless, endless Darkness

I explained this earlier… Line by line:
Sodomy is some kind of sex stuff, I don’t really understand this one.
‘The darkness of light’, light is hope, desire or something that can save you… But it said ‘darkness’ so whatever that desire is, bring you nothing but darkness. Each of the duelist have a desire, but when they duel, it gives them light to a darkness absolute destiny. Same goes for the 3rd line… Endless endless darkness…

mokushi kushimo~Destruction!
shimoku kumoshi~ Destruction!
moshiku shikumo~ Destruction!

(A sound of a coffin opening/closing?)

mokushi kushimo~ Destruction!
shimoku kumoshi~ Destruction!
moshiku shikumo~ Destruction!

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#7 | Back to Top10-21-2007 07:50:54 AM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Round Dance Revolution (Rinbu Revolution)

Lyrics wrote:

Let's live our lives heroically, let's them with style!
(Just a long, long time!)
Even if the two of us are ever torn apart...
(Let go of me, take my revolution!)

In the sunlit garden, we both joined our hands
Drawing close for comfort, we both swore
Never again would we ever fall in love

(Everytime)
I see the photo of us smiling, standing cheek to cheek
I look at it and a bit of loneliness starts to fill me

(REVOLUTION!!)
Even if I dream, even if I cry, even if I get hurt
Reality keeps on coming recklessly!

I wanna find out where I am, the value of being me
Gonna take who I've been up till now

And find the strength to throw it all away
Strip down to nothing at all
Become like a rose petal blowing free!

Even if the two of us are ever torn apart,
I swear to you that I will change the world!

Alright! Let's dissect!

First of, we always see this rotating flower.. We also see it at the end of the song, but it's just Utena in the end, alone... (Could it have been indicated that it's Anthy's turn, in the end, to do the same to Utena? Since the 10,000 swords have stroke against her this time? I'm not sure myself, anyway..)

Let's live our lives heroically, let's them with style!
(Just a long, long time!)

~ 'Let's live our lives heroically, let's live them with style!' may pertain to prince, castle, princess, white horses, etc. how else would it be 'heroically' and 'style' stuff? Then, from the Japanese song, came the English 'Just a long, long time' (the English make it easier to distinguish the difference, IMHO) so it says 'Just a long, long time' pertaining that was long ago, and we have passed that stage.

Even if the two of us are ever torn apart...
(Let go of me, take my revolution!)

~ 'Even if the two of us are ever torn apart' if they have been separated once again, 'Let go of me' (we see the final episode of Anthy and Utena letting go of each other), 'TAKE MY REVOLUTION!!' Revolution = Rebellion, so they're gonna rebel because they promise each other they will help one another, they will rebel 'End-of-the-World' and free the other from the coffin.

In the sunlit garden, we both joined our hands
Drawing close for comfort, we both swore
Never again would we ever fall in love

~Seriously, I have no idea.. emot-rofl
Yuri? lol, I don't really have the slightest clue..
(Though we see the gate opening that leads to the dueling arena)
(We also see the chairman's tower)

(Everytime)
I see the photo of us smiling, standing cheek to cheek
I look at it and a bit of loneliness starts to fill me

~Last episode, last scene emot-wink

(REVOLUTION!!)
Even if I dream, even if I cry, even if I get hurt,
Reality keeps on coming recklessly!

~REBELLION!!  Even if I dream, even if I cry, even if I get hurt.. Reality keeps on coming recklessly..
No matter how stuck you are in time, reality keeps on moving rapidly.

I wanna find out where I am, the value of being me
Gonna take who I've been up till now

And find the strength to throw it all away
Strip down to nothing at all
Become like a rose petal blowing free!

~Guess it's self-explanatory.. emot-biggrin

I swear to you that I will change the world!

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#8 | Back to Top10-21-2007 09:46:52 AM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

This makes me wish that I still cared enough to analyze episodes with Utena, Anthy, and Akio. I did when I first started watching the series, but then I stopped caring. The deeper meanings of these episodes are really cool, though.

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#9 | Back to Top10-21-2007 02:44:12 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

I've read through what you have so far here, and I'm very much in agreement with your points. I've been arguing all along that Utena was never really a Prince until she gave up her life (or left, whichever you choose to interpret it as) for Anthy. Selfish desire rules her just as much as it rules any of the other duellists.

If you were to clean up the spelling and grammar for an essay-- maybe have someone beta read for you-- I would like to have this on the site as an essay.

There were a couple points I was curious about, though they weren't parts of the analysis.

Stephanie wrote:

Before I say goodbye to the forum, I’d thought I’d share it as well, what I learned about the message.

What do you mean by this? This sounds... kind of final. I hope you just meant that you were leaving for the day, because we'd miss you.

Stephanie wrote:

I started becoming a living corpse myself, all I did was fantasized about Utena, being prince and saving the damsel in distress… Of course it’s different from us, each poster here… I wonder, as I said before, an anime won’t become dear unless you can relate to it… What really made you guys go to this forum? n_~

What makes you guys stay? You may say it’s for your friends here, that’s partially true, but this IRG forum could also symbolize Ohtori and we all in our coffin due to our desires related in this anime, eh?

Anyway, now… Instead of wanting to be ‘hero’, I just want to help people as a person, nothing of self-importance anymore… I abandon it. I hope I was able to impart the message properly, this I believe was also Ikuni’s message, lovely, isn’t it?

I can give you my reasons on that one. Gio agreed to start the forum at my insistence, because I thought that it would be fun to talk to other members of the fandom in a setting that was under my control. I've never been able to get along on other Utena forums, mailing lists, or newsgroups, and in fact had some very bad experiences before. I knew that couldn't be the norm, but I wasn't willing to join another group and be rejected again for being curious about people's ideas and how they arrived at them. I wanted to make something new, where questioning those ideas would be the norm. So far it's gone pretty well.

Why is the forum still here? Because although I expected to fail (I'm a pessimist) we have succeeded very well and made a lot of new friends. I care about everyone here. I can relate to them. I feel like I can talk to everyone-- to a degree, because I still have to handle discipline and all, and a lot of the time that makes me feel like there's a distance there that I don't want. I think it's useful for people, this place. I think it helps them get through hard times, and I think it makes the good times even better. And because I want this place to be safe and comfortable, a place of exploration of self and ideas in a setting that people don't find frightening. I'm a healer-type; I always have been. Seeing pain has always triggered in me the desire to do something about it, and everyone is in pain somehow. At least for the people here, I can try to help if they need it.

The anime, to me, is secondary. Between me and Gio, it's a constant running reference. It's a mind-puzzle, like a rubik's cube. As much as I hate to admit it, I will never get it figured out to my satisfaction, but that doesn't make talking about it any less fun. Curiously enough, the manga, series, and movie are also really excellent ways of learning about people, and my inner psychologist is always open for that.

So I guess, for me, I'm here because of the members of this forum. I wanted to connect to people that I could talk to, and I have. I might even go so far as to say that I don't think anyone would really come here for the typical fandom bullshit you find in other places, not when there's so much more to be had.


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#10 | Back to Top10-21-2007 02:57:53 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Yasha wrote:

I've read through what you have so far here, and I'm very much in agreement with your points. I've been arguing all along that Utena was never really a Prince until she gave up her life (or left, whichever you choose to interpret it as) for Anthy. Selfish desire rules her just as much as it rules any of the other duellists.

This has been a point of contention for me, as well.  The intense desire to be a prince is not the same as "being" a prince, and this desire is essentially the same as Miki's longing for a shining thing, for example. Anthy, for the longest time, was the medium through which Utena perceived her goal to be possible.


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#11 | Back to Top10-21-2007 04:58:30 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

This has been a point of contention for me, as well.  The intense desire to be a prince is not the same as "being" a prince, and this desire is essentially the same as Miki's longing for a shining thing, for example. Anthy, for the longest time, was the medium through which Utena perceived her goal to be possible.

Well summarized. But I was more along the lines of thinking that Utena realized that the prince ideal does not exist: rather, she was content enough to be a friend. The focus of the prince was to claim that title through the medium of Anthy, while the focus of a friend was Anthy herself. Sort of the point where Utena truly matures. Where she her love for Anthy is more important than claiming her identity.

But symbolically, her decision of Anthy over Akio could well be interpreted as chosing the path of prince over princess. I've always found it interesting that the fact she took the swords for Anthy technically makes her Anthy's Rose Bride. The one who sacrificed herself to relieve Anthy's pain.

So I guess, for me, I'm here because of the members of this forum. I wanted to connect to people that I could talk to, and I have. I might even go so far as to say that I don't think anyone would really come here for the typical fandom bullshit you find in other places, not when there's so much more to be had.

And thank you kindly for making that distinction. It figures that Utena would have one of the most intelligent fanbases I have ever seen. It's a show that forces you to come up with the answers yourself, rather than being spoon-fed the meaning like an unthinking sheep. But luckily, for when our lower instincts can't resist, there's still plenty of promiscuous fanart and SKUpidity.


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#12 | Back to Top10-21-2007 09:24:42 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

I agree that Utena chose to be a prince instead of a princess, and that she didn't really become a prince until she sacrificed herself for Anthy. It's one of those things where you can't attain what you want until you give up on attaining it, and then it just happens. When she put Anthy as a person before her desire to be a prince-- which she was projecting onto Anthy just like the Student Council was projecting their various desires onto her-- then she became a prince, even though she herself was not even aware of it.


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#13 | Back to Top10-21-2007 09:25:12 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Yasha wrote:

I'm a healer-type; I always have been.

Is that a role? emot-wink

And, well.. Not really goodbye I guess, I may come here when I have time.. But I just wanna focus on my life for a while.. I've been pressured to find a job and quit my school.. I was like OMG and kind of left the modern world I guess.. My dad abandoned us, and he's filthy rich, but is not sending us any money so I have to move..

Anyway, I'm derailing this thread, I just hope I gave the message out of what I learned, it's in episode 38, not really 39.. I think I explained all that I need to, even their roles, so episode 39 isn't as mind boggling as it was before.

However, I could be wrong in my interpretations.. n_~
As I said, each symbolism is interpreted differently by different people.

Instead of roles, just help or do whatever you want as a person and nothing else, that I believe is the key.

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This User has good Utena stuff.. I hope he gets more views..

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#14 | Back to Top10-22-2007 01:47:16 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

We'll miss whatever less of you it is that we'll be seeing. emot-frownetc-love

More on topic, you've made some good points in this thread! The best part of symbolism is the different ways we interpret them.

And that AMV maker is pretty amazing, specifically in the special effects department. emot-dance


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#15 | Back to Top10-22-2007 02:12:42 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Stephanie wrote:

Yasha wrote:

I'm a healer-type; I always have been.

Is that a role? emot-wink

Actually, I used to hate being that type of person. I don't see myself as a stereotypically 'nice' person, and that falls so easily into it. But no, that's who I am. Everything I've done from a very young age has always been focused on that-- herbalism, tarot cards and divination, listening and talking with my friends and family, going through a BA in Psychology-- always, I've been a healer whether I wanted to be or not. I've accepted that now. There's something in me that needs to help people, even if I would rather do things for myself.

Stephanie wrote:

And, well.. Not really goodbye I guess, I may come here when I have time.. But I just wanna focus on my life for a while.. I've been pressured to find a job and quit my school.. I was like OMG and kind of left the modern world I guess.. My dad abandoned us, and he's filthy rich, but is not sending us any money so I have to move..

I'm sorry to hear that, Stephanie. I hope you'll visit when you have the time, as I know there are some people here who will miss you quite a bit. But you're right; you need to spend your time in your life right now. We'll be here when you come back, though, and you know you always have a place to vent and people who will listen when you're going through a hard time. etc-love


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#16 | Back to Top10-22-2007 10:09:27 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Yasha wrote:

Actually, I used to hate being that type of person. I don't see myself as a stereotypically 'nice' person, and that falls so easily into it. But no, that's who I am. Everything I've done from a very young age has always been focused on that-- herbalism, tarot cards and divination, listening and talking with my friends and family, going through a BA in Psychology-- always, I've been a healer whether I wanted to be or not. I've accepted that now. There's something in me that needs to help people, even if I would rather do things for myself.

If you hate that role, then what are you still doing in that role? emot-wink
Something is making you stay? The 'need' to help people, huh?

Every person has the 'need' to help people, because deep down, there's a good in everyone, there's a loving heart and a kind soul, no matter how psychologically evil one is.

I say, life is too short, why are you wasting it to doing something you don't like? You are digging your own grave, my dear.. In this short life, there's no time to waste on giving up.. n_~

"..Fear is only in our minds, taking over all the time.."

Blah my Evanescence quote! emot-gonk lol

You are centering yourself into that 'role', has no one really gotten the meaning of what I wrote? My purpose of why I wrote the long 37 to 38, but not anymore 39 since it's not part of it so I stopped.

Akio wrote:

Still, as I said years ago, with the passage of time… you’ve lost your pure soul and wish only to be prince.

This is my most favorite quote from all the 3 episodes, it’s what it had awaken me, and what I believe to have been my gift for my 18th birthday. You became too focused on yourself, that you think only about yourself, you become selfish, thus you lose the purity of your soul… To share, to love, to be happy, to share happiness selflessly… All of it has gone due to a person’s self-importance to himself/herself. You are really unable to help anyone, but just a feed to your ego, your ego that is in your desire, and you the ‘living corpse’ in the ‘coffin’ trapped by that desire. It doesn’t seem so cruel and yet desire seems so happy to obtain, but truth be told.. It is nothing, it is but an empty motion (as it is said in the 2nd Ending Theme of the Anime)

When they duel, you hear the song “Darkness of Sodomy, Darkness of Light, Darkness in the distance, endless endless darkness!”
~Light is hope, right? But it’s ‘darkness of light’, you succumb into your fantasy, your grave. And they duel for that belief, they fight for their fantasy/desire… The darkness of light!

This is the only reason I typed this whole finalization of the episodes 37 to 39, to share this message. As you can see, I changed my avatar as I no longer idolized Utena..
“..So impressed was she by him, she vowed to become prince herself oneday..”
I started becoming a living corpse myself, all I did was fantasized about Utena, being prince and saving the damsel in distress… Of course it’s different from us, each poster here… I wonder, as I said before, an anime won’t become dear unless you can relate to it…

Anyway, now… Instead of wanting to be ‘hero’, I just want to help people as a person, nothing of self-importance anymore… I abandon it. I hope I was able to impart the message properly, this I believe was also Ikuni’s message, lovely, isn’t it?

Let's say, I compare you to Utena.. She has nothing in her mind but save people who are weak, save damsels in distress, and be 'prince'! She has good intentions, but why is she in a coffin? emot-smile

I don't really know how to explain it properly, but putting yourself in a role is, in summary, is putting yourself in a coffin.. Read again what I posted in the quote

Yasha wrote:

I'm sorry to hear that, Stephanie. I hope you'll visit when you have the time, as I know there are some people here who will miss you quite a bit. But you're right; you need to spend your time in your life right now. We'll be here when you come back, though, and you know you always have a place to vent and people who will listen when you're going through a hard time. etc-love

Oh yeah, sorry but Essay is just not me.. n_~
I hate typing long, just my drive to do so..
All my Homework in college or high school that consist of Essay, I didn't bother.. emot-rofl
Though, I have my own homework slave.. school-devil
Lol, though he does it cause he can't do anything and is bored.. emot-smile

Why don't you just put a link or put it as is in Empty Movement.. n_~

I also put lots of links leading here, even when you google 'Utena Forum', the first page, you will see my post.. But it's weird, this forum didn't show up still when I've reached page 3 in Google Search.

Anyway..

I do not believe Utena did die.. n_~
I did a few days ago, when I first went here, but everything here is symbolism.. emot-smile

@Jellineck

I was more along the lines of thinking that Utena realized that the prince ideal does not exist: rather, she was content enough to be a friend. The focus of the prince was to claim that title through the medium of Anthy, while the focus of a friend was Anthy herself. Sort of the point where Utena truly matures.

And thus, adolescence of Utena! n_n
In the movie, we see her and Anthy fight and drive their way out of it and into maturity.. n_n

The adult world may not have sure roads, but we'll build our own road and grow. Sure we may not live up till the very end, but we'll be happy living like this because we know we faced everything to reach our goal, even if many may resist, even if many throw stones, even if the road itself has a dead end.. We will surely be happy.. emot-smile

@RodimusBen

I agree that Utena chose to be a prince instead of a princess, and that she didn't really become a prince until she sacrificed herself for Anthy. It's one of those things where you can't attain what you want until you give up on attaining it, and then it just happens.

That's why, at the end, it is Anthy's turn to save Utena. She is still in the coffin, because in the end, she still is in 'prince' stance..

In the opening theme of Rinbu Revolution we both see Anthy and Utena spinning in the flower indicating they are both into their roles, their 'coffin'. In the end of the opening theme, we only see Utena spinning, and Anthy swear to 'change the world' and save Tenjou-san. n_n



As for the 2 Ending Theme and Episode 39, I won't do it anymore.. As I said previously..

Stephanie wrote:

Ikuni might also have a reason why he’s not sharing what he meant in SKU, cause finding it on your own makes it more appealing to yourself, right?

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Forgot to say, Yasha, I too longed to become a Psychologist when I was in high school, I wanted to understand human behavior and help people, but I was also doing it for myself in the end.. Subconsciously speaking.. emot-biggrin
So I change my course into entrepreneurship.. emot-biggrin

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#17 | Back to Top10-28-2007 07:03:00 AM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Anyway, just for the add..

Here's a pinch of reality..

Sometimes, people are too busy looking at themselves that they never have time to look at the world..
That's what I told myself after I read the poem, TERMINUS by Nicholas Christopher.

*Oh yes, please look at the link I gave before continuing on to read ahead*
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Anyway.. I've always believe that it's very selfish of humans just to live life, put goals ahead just for themselves.. Like have a big house one day, have a loving family, etc.

No, I'm not saying those are bad ideas, but it's just that I can't help believing that we are born into this world to share this world with other humans, to help them, to reach for them.

You can live your future goals for yourselves, but let's not ignore the fact that there are hundreds of other people out there as well, not just us for us.. It would seem silly to just live our lives for ourselves alone.

"..For the confusions around are mere reflections of what's within.."
^~ This ain't my motto, but I do believe this quote..
People always have something to be confused about themselves, it's never ending.

But when we stop focusing on ourselves and take a look at the world.. Not just the world, as in the life happening around our family, friends and love ones, but the world as this huge mud ball.. Then, wouldn't we shake our heads and say, "I just can't sit here and do nothing.."

I'm very thankful for Nicholas Christopher as if I hadn't read his poem, I wouldn't be so concerned with poverty and the likes. The video above is a true story, and it is indeed happening in every second of our lives.


Just to share again, another selfishness of myself..
I had abandoned every course I would've have liked to take in college and took Entrepreneurship to become a Social Entrepreneur..
I vowed that I would abolish poverty or die trying.. (Hell, at first I thought it was impossible to do.. Poverty is never ending, but I saw a hole, and I found it is indeed possible!)

So, my plan changed and into becoming a novelist of writing a book called "Rebel of the Open Mind" containing 3 chapters.. Life, religion and government. I then focused on 'influencing other people' instead as to doing it myself alone, cause what can I do alone? Then later I would die.. But a few others could do whatever I did a hundred folds..

I had known so much things, even secret stuffs, that would just make anybody mad at these (Religion & Poverty).. But what I wanted to portray was openness of mind and the help to poverty stuff..

Now, this is the part where my role as a hero shows up.. Subconsciously, I was a bit of a rotten tomato.. I was thinking of appearing hero to people, and I didn't care if I would be forgotten like others or if history repeats itself if I had had made a difference indeed.. But I hadn't started anything, yet I am an arrogant bastard..

With the need of doing help and stuff, I had locked myself into just putting more 'ego' on my outcome..
Maybe, in this life, I am nothing of real importance.. Just one of those who live and die.. So I wanted to make a difference..

"..Darkness of Light.." <~ Part of the lyrics of Zettai Unmei Mokushiroku
^~ It is like 'light' to me, strength giving.. Hope to live giving.. Hope to 'happiness' giving..
But it's nothing but for myself, and my selfishness..

That is why I felt pathetic.. For 2 years that I've been planning to write that book.. Nothing..
Selfishness.. It's all for my 'ego', and with this, I hope I am able to impart again the 'role' and pinch of reality.

EDIT:
I just thought I'd share.. Erm, sorry if it appears all me..

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#18 | Back to Top10-29-2007 11:58:55 AM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Stephanie wrote:

Here's a pinch of reality..

OMG at this video! emot-gonk
How saddening it is.. Yes I see humans are selfish creatures.

Yes, I haven't watched the ending, but I do see what your post above is, and I understand now. It's my 1st watch and I never really bothered even understanding the lyrics of the OP and EDs, I just listen to them.

Now that I think about roles more, could it also be that Ikuhara meant roles of men and women of Japan? I mean the gender roles, macho and beauty image. Nothing, just thought of it as well. It's like you limit yourself on your gender role, hence destruction?

Oops, I don't really know what I'm saying.. Sorry, just curious.


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#19 | Back to Top11-06-2007 12:26:37 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Yes, if you put yourself in any role actually.. Good point on the gender roles as well, I haven't thought of that! emot-keke


Also, hmm, I was just thinking recently What makes Anthy the 'KEY' to the castle floating up in the sky?

And I think I might've found the answer, I'm not sure though..

Here's my thought:
Anthy is acting like a doll, right? Hence, since she's the rosebride, she has no heart and is suppose to obey the one she's engaged to.

Since these are her qualities, a doll-like person, those who dreams of whatever role they have in their heads can act freely to whatever they desire to be, since who accompany them is a doll, Anthy won't contradict them and even obey whatever they order.. So, Anthy supports whatever the one she's engaged to desires, leading up the castle up in the sky..

Errmm, what about you guys? >_<
Not really sure how else she could be the 'key' to the floating castle, which symbolizes everyone's desire.


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#20 | Back to Top11-06-2007 10:40:01 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

One implication is that she created the castle. It was her shrine to Dios, the place she would always yearn for and never reach because she was separated from him forever. It became a beacon of yearning to everyone else, but they did not know it was a mausoleum, the tomb of her heart and spirit. In the manga Saionji freaked out at how inhuman the castle was, thus betraying how little he really understood Anthy.

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#21 | Back to Top11-07-2007 10:11:12 AM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

brian wrote:

One implication is that she created the castle. It was her shrine to Dios, the place she would always yearn for and never reach because she was separated from him forever. It became a beacon of yearning to everyone else, but they did not know it was a mausoleum, the tomb of her heart and spirit. In the manga Saionji freaked out at how inhuman the castle was, thus betraying how little he really understood Anthy.

Interesting, but didn't Akio also said the machine in his room (the one supposedly used to view stars) was a "projector", one that is used to show what the duelist desired.. Hence Utena = Castle Floating Up the Sky? Well, I dunno.. lol


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#22 | Back to Top11-07-2007 10:53:34 AM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Well... we actually know from the Student Council's poker game early in the first season that all the duelists see it as a castle in the sky.  It probably just symbolizes something different to each of them.  Someone -- Gio? -- even wrote an analysis of how the Student Council members describe their feelings seeing the castle for the first time, but I'm having trouble searching it up.

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#23 | Back to Top11-07-2007 01:17:46 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

I think you're thinking of this one: http://www.ohtori.nu/analysis/05_motive_and_source.htm

It's not so much about that specifically as their motivations to duel, though. emot-smile


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#24 | Back to Top11-07-2007 09:44:46 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Stephanie wrote:

"projector", etc

Ah the infamous projector, one moment he is bragging about his projector's ability to create reality and a few minutes later he looks on in surprise as Utena works another miracle and foils the projector.
BTW that's a great essay Giovanna.

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#25 | Back to Top11-07-2007 10:03:55 PM

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Re: Final Thoughts about Episodes 37 to 39

Bah, thank me too. I suggested it and kept her motivated to write the thing. You can just call me 'o great muse'. emot-tongue


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